2020 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 -- (8PM, Wed, Nov. 18, ESPN)

[captain green]

I hope this interview is lights out. And then trade other 2 for Sadiq bey if possible.

out of the 7.2 million possibilities on draft night, THIS may be my #1

Imagine both these dude on our team now, be freaking awesome.

[BostonCouchGM]

Who are the weak non-switchable player from the playoffs? Kanter and Walker? I do agree, though. Give me all the wings and make sure the bigs are mobile and can defend out to the perimeter (gimme Tillman).

everyone except Tatum, Smart, Hayward and Jaylen. None of the rest can guard their position at a high level let alone multiple positions.

[RodyTur10]

Good luck trying to play Precious at the 4.

I think it depends on the situation.
Maybe a good fit for Minnesota perhaps? Achiuwa/Towns combo.
Where on defense Achiuwa is the '4' and Towns is the '5'. On offense Towns is the '4' and Achiuwa is the '5'.

Don't think Achiuwa is going to work in the Celtics system. Unless Achiuwa really blows their minds in work outs I see him as redundant with Robert Williams on the roster.

[Spin Move]

Good luck trying to play Precious at the 4.

I think it depends on the situation.
Maybe a good fit for Minnesota perhaps? Achiuwa/Towns combo.
Where on defense Achiuwa is the '4' and Towns is the '5'. On offense Towns is the '4' and Achiuwa is the '5'.

Don't think Achiuwa is going to work in the Celtics system. Unless Achiuwa really blows their minds in work outs I see him as redundant with Robert Williams on the roster.

I don't understand this, there games are tottaly different Robert WIlliams is an undersized 5 Precious is a small bull 5 with ball skills to drive and do things from the high post and who is not afraid to take a 3 point shot. Williams is a better shotblocker but he doesnt really do anything other then block shots and rebounds. Precious does different things. Not saying he is my guy at 14 saying I see the upside. He has a good mechanics on his shot, but he is not a great shooter yet but he is not a non shooter like Williams is.

[snowman]

Precious hit a TOTAL of 13 threes last season, at the college distance. I just don't see it at 14. Maybe 26 or 30, but not 14. We already have Timelord. Now if Timelord is going in a trade for someone else, then maybe, but still at 26 not 14. Rather have Oturu. He has a better shot from distance, and a better rebounder and shot blocker.

[Spin Move]

Precious hit a TOTAL of 13 threes last season, at the college distance. I just don't see it at 14. Maybe 26 or 30, but not 14. We already have Timelord. Now if Timelord is going in a trade for someone else, then maybe, but still at 26 not 14. Rather have Oturu. He has a better shot from distance, and a better rebounder and shot blocker.

Not saying we need to take him but him and Williams are tottally diffent types or players...how often did Williams create from outside or or drive from the high post? I am not convinced that Williams is part of the long term plan. He has not shown enough and not stayed healthy enough. Definitely not giving up on him but come on. Also williams is the only big ww have under contract after next season and doesn't play 40 mpg so regardless we need another big in case Thies does not resign after the season. I absolutely think precuous and thies could play on the floor together.

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[captain green]

Precious is moving up the board I'm worried he won't be there at 14. Every now and then a player just passes the eye test for me and I think it's this dude. I like him and s. Bey probably the most at our spot but to me they have the chance to be damn good in the league and can play now. I don't need player that can't play until 3 or 4 years down the line. To me timelord and precious are way different and could be groomed to be really freaking good together.

[ConstableGeneva]

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[Homerclease]

First I’ve heard of Bane flirting with the lottery. Would love him at 26 or 30 but I’m not so sure at 14

[return2glory]

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This isn’t good. He was one of my sleepers for this draft. I hope hopefully we can get him at 26, now hoping he will be there at 14. He can do a lot of good things on the floor, especially on the offensive end.

[SmartWentCrazy]

For the record, to those who are against Precious, I feel are over-looking his number 1 attribute, And that is he is by far the most "switch-able" center available (with OO) each prospect has imperfections and needs to learn a lot. But he can come in day one and be a valuable defensive /rebounding force IMO. IF he gets a spot up jumper (based on mechanics) I believe he will get one. He will be a very complete player and can grown nicely with Tatum/Brown/Smart.

exactly! He is the most switchy big of them all. Can guard like crazy and has potential to develop as a modern day stretch big. He could step right in on day 1 and add tons of energy and hustle which would impact the game in a positive way

Cool, he’s Semi with a worse 3 ball. Precious is my absolute nightmare pick if we stay at 14. I’d want literally anyone else

Ditto. Frequently use that comp too. I just don't see it with him. Think people look at attributes and highlights and project something that he’s just not.

[SmartWentCrazy]

First I’ve heard of Bane flirting with the lottery. Would love him at 26 or 30 but I’m not so sure at 14

Would take him over precious

[31to6]

Precious hit a TOTAL of 13 threes last season, at the college distance. I just don't see it at 14. Maybe 26 or 30, but not 14. We already have Timelord. Now if Timelord is going in a trade for someone else, then maybe, but still at 26 not 14. Rather have Oturu. He has a better shot from distance, and a better rebounder and shot blocker.

Precious also shot 40-something % from the line. I’m fine if we like him I guess but I see a lot of putback layups in his highlights, doesn’t seem as explosive an athlete as Jalen Smith or Paul Reed, and I may like Oturu and Nnaji better as well. But whatever as long as we get a 4/5 prospect with legitimate size to go along with whichever combo guard(s) we overdraft.

[playa-hater]

For the record, to those who are against Precious, I feel are over-looking his number 1 attribute, And that is he is by far the most "switch-able" center available (with OO) each prospect has imperfections and needs to learn a lot. But he can come in day one and be a valuable defensive /rebounding force IMO. IF he gets a spot up jumper (based on mechanics) I believe he will get one. He will be a very complete player and can grown nicely with Tatum/Brown/Smart.

exactly! He is the most switchy big of them all. Can guard like crazy and has potential to develop as a modern day stretch big. He could step right in on day 1 and add tons of energy and hustle which would impact the game in a positive way

Every year we're like "if he gets a jumper". You can count the guys who developed a jumper after entering the league on one or two hands.

so according to this Smart and J Brown should NOT have been drafted, since neither had a good or proven jumper. in fact Heild>J Brown??

not even close IMO. thank god we took Brown over proven shooter Heild.

[playa-hater]

exactly! He is the most switchy big of them all. Can guard like crazy and has potential to develop as a modern day stretch big. He could step right in on day 1 and add tons of energy and hustle which would impact the game in a positive way

Cool, he’s Semi with a worse 3 ball. Precious is my absolute nightmare pick if we stay at 14. I’d want literally anyone else

Ditto. Frequently use that comp too. I just don't see it with him. Think people look at attributes and highlights and project something that he’s just not.

technically speaking everyone we look at is based on "attributes and highlights". and with each player, NBA teams make projections based on that. So not sure how any other player would be different.

[playa-hater]

Precious hit a TOTAL of 13 threes last season, at the college distance. I just don't see it at 14. Maybe 26 or 30, but not 14. We already have Timelord. Now if Timelord is going in a trade for someone else, then maybe, but still at 26 not 14. Rather have Oturu. He has a better shot from distance, and a better rebounder and shot blocker.

Precious also shot 40-something % from the line. I’m fine if we like him I guess but I see a lot of putback layups in his highlights, doesn’t seem as explosive an athlete as Jalen Smith or Paul Reed, and I may like Oturu and Nnaji better as well. But whatever as long as we get a 4/5 prospect with legitimate size to go along with whichever combo guard(s) we overdraft.

concerning the word explosive, R Williams is far more "explosive" than Jokic. But having said that athleticism should be based on at least 4-5 things. Jumping, Speed, lateral quickness and balance/coordination. Precious is very good, if not perhaps the best at that, all while adding a strong frame/body (I see him being able to put up and play with at least 15 more Pounds) and has long freakin arms.

BTW comparing Precious to Semi is borderline (fill in your own blank)

[playa-hater]

Precious hit a TOTAL of 13 threes last season, at the college distance. I just don't see it at 14. Maybe 26 or 30, but not 14. We already have Timelord. Now if Timelord is going in a trade for someone else, then maybe, but still at 26 not 14. Rather have Oturu. He has a better shot from distance, and a better rebounder and shot blocker.

precious was also forced to play center with Wiseman gone after 3 games. And I am not even proclaiming we need Precious to be a 3 point sniper in the same way I haven't said it about R Williams.

[playa-hater]

Who are the weak non-switchable player from the playoffs? Kanter and Walker? I do agree, though. Give me all the wings and make sure the bigs are mobile and can defend out to the perimeter (gimme Tillman).

Theis and Timelord were bad as well.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Cool, he’s Semi with a worse 3 ball. Precious is my absolute nightmare pick if we stay at 14. I’d want literally anyone else

Ditto. Frequently use that comp too. I just don't see it with him. Think people look at attributes and highlights and project something that he’s just not.

technically speaking everyone we look at is based on "attributes and highlights". and with each player, NBA teams make projections based on that. So not sure how any other player would be different.

Full games tell more man

[Spin Move]

I feel like Reed is even more so. Same height/wingspan. Slightly more mobile, slightly more committed/consistent on the defensive end.

* standard, this is from watching highlight videos only caveat.

I have not seen enoug of reeds games to know for sure but the scouting reports imply that Precious is much more mobile then reed.

I'm no expert and just going off highlights of both, so could totally be wrong. There's probably a reason Precious is always mocked higher. But my impression was Precious seems stronger, Reed a little more quicker/active. Here's the Ringer on both:

Precious:
Athletic defender who makes plays in the passing lanes as a mobile helper. With his length and strength, he could develop into a rim protector in smaller lineups.
High defensive potential thanks to his physical measurements and quickness, but his fundamentals and discipline must improve.
Struggles with inconsistency as a defender. His footwork hinders his ability to slide and stay in front of quicker players, but it’s fixable.

Reed
Bouncy leaper who can block shots and rebound. He plays hard and pushes the break after boards.
Multipositional defender with the lateral quickness to contain perimeter players and the size and length to battle against leaner bigs.
Active help defender who closes out, rotates to contest shots, and jumps passing lanes.
Lean frame limits him defensively against true bigs; he gets swallowed inside, which again causes him to foul.

Doesn't seem to really favor one over the other, but I like the Reed on the perimeter comments over the Precious footwork/fundamentals comments. Where are you looking? I've also looked at Stepien and scouting vids from HoopIntellect or something (can't remember right now).

From espn Precious #2 ranked PF Paul Reed #10
Pre-Draft Analysis

Strengths
- Elite physical profile and ideal defensive versatility. Has the strength (234 pounds) and standing reach (9-1.5) to slide all the way up to the center spot in small lineups. Explosive above the rim in space. Light on his feet. Long arms (7-2 wingspan), big hands. Has the tools to check either forward spot in the NBA while also switching onto the perimeter.
- Has grab-and-go potential with the ball. At his best attacking the rim in space as a mismatch 4. Aggressive mentality.
- Shows glimpses of upside as a shooter, sometimes even knocking down shots off the dribble. Poor free throw shooter but made 32.5% of 40 3-point attempts at Memphis.


https://www.nbadraftjunkies.com/precious-achiuwa
"He’s one of my favorite prospects in this draft... not because his game is aesthetically pleasing. I’m high on him as a prospect because of his versatility and I see him as multi dimensional weapon that can be difference maker if he goes to the right team. He’ll need a that places a strong emphasis on player development and a creative coaching staff that will used him to exploit mismatches..

At 6’9 225lb Achiuwa is an excellent explosive athlete with good coordination, fluidity, and straight line speed rarely seen in someone his size... "
Many of the sites don't have full descriptions of Reed as he is not in the 1st round on most boards, He seems like a he has good mobility for his size while precious has elite mobility.