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Post#361 » by babyjax13 » Wed Nov 4, 2020 8:27 pm

Locke has me liking Robert Woodard, lol
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Post#362 » by SoCalJazzFan » Wed Nov 4, 2020 8:34 pm

I can't help but wonder if a couple of years down the road the better players from this draft are those taken after the top 10.
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Post#363 » by SoCalJazzFan » Wed Nov 4, 2020 8:36 pm

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stitches wrote:Where is Cole Anthony's stock?

nbadraft has him at 18.
CBS 17
SI 21
The Ringer 15 ??????

Is this real? What happened? I'd trade up for him.


Man, I don't think I'd draft him in the first round, tbh. He's got a really narrow frame, I'm not sure his shooting translates, he's not an overwhelming athlete, and his court vision is below average. Looks very Brandon Jennings to me. I don't mind that as a backup, but I'm not crazy about him at all. If he's more recovered from his injury and is more athletic than he looked in college, maybe he's more interesting.

Cole Anthony could be one of those draft steals, or draft busts. If he is in the late teens, I'm not sure you could call him a bust, though. I would certainly take a long look at him if I thought I could get him.
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Post#364 » by SoCalJazzFan » Wed Nov 4, 2020 8:41 pm

babyjax13 wrote:Locke has me liking Robert Woodard, lol

Does this mimic what Locke said? Could be a great mid-second round pick up (like Hinton).
https://www.peachtreehoops.com/2020/10/1/21494812/robert-woodard-2020-nba-draft-scouting-report-mississippi-state-offense-defense-analysis
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Re: NBA 2020 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#365 » by babyjax13 » Wed Nov 4, 2020 8:45 pm

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babyjax13 wrote:Locke has me liking Robert Woodard, lol

Does this mimic what Locke said? Could be a great mid-second round pick up (like Hinton).
https://www.peachtreehoops.com/2020/10/1/21494812/robert-woodard-2020-nba-draft-scouting-report-mississippi-state-offense-defense-analysis


Yes. Basically Locke thinks he was underutilized at Mississippi State, and that their poor guardline really makes him not look quite as good as he is. Okay shooter, good on spotups, very athletic, needs to develop his left-hand finishing, very good defender. Compared him to Miles Bridges. I think that's maybe a bit too optimistic, but he sounds like a good prospect in the late first.
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Post#366 » by Catchall » Thu Nov 5, 2020 1:32 am

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babyjax13 wrote:Locke has me liking Robert Woodard, lol

Does this mimic what Locke said? Could be a great mid-second round pick up (like Hinton).
https://www.peachtreehoops.com/2020/10/1/21494812/robert-woodard-2020-nba-draft-scouting-report-mississippi-state-offense-defense-analysis


Yes. Basically Locke thinks he was underutilized at Mississippi State, and that their poor guardline really makes him not look quite as good as he is. Okay shooter, good on spotups, very athletic, needs to develop his left-hand finishing, very good defender. Compared him to Miles Bridges. I think that's maybe a bit too optimistic, but he sounds like a good prospect in the late first.


If you want to consider Woodard as a prospect along with Tyler Bey, that's one thing, but I wouldn't take him at #23. I think he's a backup 4/5 with limited upside. A player who is a bigger version of Royce O'Neale has value, and that's what Woodard could be if he'll learn to shoot better, but that's a rotational player and nothing more.

I think Woodard, at best, is like a post-injury Rudy Gay.
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Re: NBA 2020 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#367 » by babyjax13 » Thu Nov 5, 2020 2:10 am

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babyjax13 wrote:
SoCalJazzFan wrote:Does this mimic what Locke said? Could be a great mid-second round pick up (like Hinton).
https://www.peachtreehoops.com/2020/10/1/21494812/robert-woodard-2020-nba-draft-scouting-report-mississippi-state-offense-defense-analysis


Yes. Basically Locke thinks he was underutilized at Mississippi State, and that their poor guardline really makes him not look quite as good as he is. Okay shooter, good on spotups, very athletic, needs to develop his left-hand finishing, very good defender. Compared him to Miles Bridges. I think that's maybe a bit too optimistic, but he sounds like a good prospect in the late first.


If you want to consider Woodard as a prospect along with Tyler Bey, that's one thing, but I wouldn't take him at #23. I think he's a backup 4/5 with limited upside. A player who is a bigger version of Royce O'Neale has value, and that's what Woodard could be if he'll learn to shoot better, but that's a rotational player and nothing more.

I think Woodard, at best, is like a post-injury Rudy Gay.


A player of that caliber is a huge win at 23.
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Re: NBA 2020 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#368 » by Catchall » Fri Nov 6, 2020 10:45 pm

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Yes. Basically Locke thinks he was underutilized at Mississippi State, and that their poor guardline really makes him not look quite as good as he is. Okay shooter, good on spotups, very athletic, needs to develop his left-hand finishing, very good defender. Compared him to Miles Bridges. I think that's maybe a bit too optimistic, but he sounds like a good prospect in the late first.


If you want to consider Woodard as a prospect along with Tyler Bey, that's one thing, but I wouldn't take him at #23. I think he's a backup 4/5 with limited upside. A player who is a bigger version of Royce O'Neale has value, and that's what Woodard could be if he'll learn to shoot better, but that's a rotational player and nothing more.

I think Woodard, at best, is like a post-injury Rudy Gay.


A player of that caliber is a huge win at 23.


If Josh Green, Poku or Jaden McDaniels are on the board at #23, I'm not drafting Woodard. I'd also probably take Paul Reed over Woodard.

You could get me into a debate about Tyler Bey vs. Woodard if you believe that Bey won't ever learn to shoot and Woodard will, but I don't think Woodard is a realistic pick at #23. It's a reach.

I think this is just David Locke's annual ritual to hype players slightly below our draft range in order to manage expectations.
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Re: NBA 2020 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#369 » by babyjax13 » Fri Nov 6, 2020 10:50 pm

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babyjax13 wrote:
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If you want to consider Woodard as a prospect along with Tyler Bey, that's one thing, but I wouldn't take him at #23. I think he's a backup 4/5 with limited upside. A player who is a bigger version of Royce O'Neale has value, and that's what Woodard could be if he'll learn to shoot better, but that's a rotational player and nothing more.

I think Woodard, at best, is like a post-injury Rudy Gay.


A player of that caliber is a huge win at 23.


If Josh Green, Poku or Jaden McDaniels are on the board at #23, I'm not drafting Woodard. I'd also probably take Paul Reed over Woodard.

You could get me into a debate about Tyler Bey vs. Woodard if you believe that Bey won't ever learn to shoot and Woodard will, but I don't think Woodard is a realistic pick at #23. It's a reach.

I think this is just David Locke's annual ritual to hype players slightly below our draft range in order to manage expectations.


Tankathon has Woodard at 31, so it's not like it's that wild. IDK, I'm not really arguing that he is my preference at 23, but that if we had another late pick we traded for, that I'd like him as a rotational piece.
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Re: NBA 2020 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#370 » by Catchall » Fri Nov 6, 2020 10:59 pm

Right now, these would be my Top 30 ---

Anthony Edwards
James Wiseman
Killian Hayes
Isaac Okoro
Obi Toppin

Deni Avdija
Patrick Williams
Aleksej Pokusevski
Tyrese Haliburton
Kira Lewis

Lamelo Ball
Devin Vassell
RJ Hampton
Aaron Nesmith
Saddiq Bey

Tyrese Maxey
Tyrell Terry
Josh Green
Jaden McDaniels
Jalen Smith

Paul Reed
Onyeka Okongwu
Cole Anthony
Precious Achiuwa
Leandro Bolmaro

Theo Maledon
Malchi Flynn
Jahmi’us Ramsey
Reggie Perry
Tyler Bey
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Post#371 » by Catchall » Sat Nov 7, 2020 1:34 am

Paul Reed's jumpshot is starting to look a little more normal.

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Post#372 » by babyjax13 » Sat Nov 7, 2020 5:24 am

Catchall wrote:Paul Reed's jumpshot is starting to look a little more normal.



Eh, IDK if there is a ton of improvement, still has a major hitch. Kinda hard to tell with the tight camera work. Still really like his upside. With a shot, he could be Pascal Siakam. Without it, maybe more like a smaller Bam Adebayo (I think he has a more narrow frame than Bam).
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Post#373 » by SoCalJazzFan » Sat Nov 7, 2020 6:09 am

Catchall wrote:Right now, these would be my Top 30 ---

Anthony Edwards
James Wiseman
Killian Hayes
Isaac Okoro
Obi Toppin

Deni Avdija
Patrick Williams
Aleksej Pokusevski
Tyrese Haliburton
Kira Lewis

Lamelo Ball
Devin Vassell
RJ Hampton
Aaron Nesmith
Saddiq Bey

Tyrese Maxey
Tyrell Terry
Josh Green
Jaden McDaniels
Jalen Smith

Paul Reed
Onyeka Okongwu
Cole Anthony
Precious Achiuwa
Leandro Bolmaro

Theo Maledon
Malchi Flynn
Jahmi’us Ramsey
Reggie Perry
Tyler Bey

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Post#374 » by KqWIN » Sat Nov 7, 2020 4:57 pm

Okongwu might be my top player in this draft :lol: . I think the top of this draft is very, very bad.

This draft reminds me of the Anthony Bennet draft. Someone might find their Oladipo at the top, but there are going to be some huge busts. Hopefully there’s a Giannis or Gobert waiting for us at the end of the draft.
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Post#375 » by Catchall » Sat Nov 7, 2020 11:45 pm

SoCalJazzFan wrote:
Catchall wrote:Right now, these would be my Top 30 ---

Anthony Edwards
James Wiseman
Killian Hayes
Isaac Okoro
Obi Toppin

Deni Avdija
Patrick Williams
Aleksej Pokusevski
Tyrese Haliburton
Kira Lewis

Lamelo Ball
Devin Vassell
RJ Hampton
Aaron Nesmith
Saddiq Bey

Tyrese Maxey
Tyrell Terry
Josh Green
Jaden McDaniels
Jalen Smith

Paul Reed
Onyeka Okongwu
Cole Anthony
Precious Achiuwa
Leandro Bolmaro

Theo Maledon
Malchi Flynn
Jahmi’us Ramsey
Reggie Perry
Tyler Bey

Hot take on Okungwu


Okongwu is the super turbo-upgraded version of Tristan Thompson. OO will be a solid rebounder, a better roll-man and a better rim protector than TT. However, he can't dribble, pass or shoot, and right now, he doesn't project like he will. He was a dominant physical specimen at the NCAA level, but only some of that will carry over to the NBA. He's got measurables and some of the athleticism that Bam Adebayo has, but he doesn't have the same diverse skillset, and doesn't appear to be as laterally quick. I don't think OO should really be compared to Bam.

What is Okongwu going to give me that I can't get from Precious Achiuwa? Maybe half a block, or half a rebound?

Achiuwa is a better rim runner, at least as good a defender out on the floor, and an equal roll finisher. He also projects to be a better shooter at this stage.

Lets be optimistic and say that Okongwu is like Dwight Howard. Does that type of player still have top-of-the-lottery value in this league? I don't think so.
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Post#376 » by Catchall » Sat Nov 7, 2020 11:53 pm

KqWIN wrote:Okongwu might be my top player in this draft :lol: . I think the top of this draft is very, very bad.

This draft reminds me of the Anthony Bennet draft. Someone might find their Oladipo at the top, but there are going to be some huge busts. Hopefully there’s a Giannis or Gobert waiting for us at the end of the draft.


I think James Wiseman is the Deandre Jordan of this draft and can also potentially do some Joel Embiid things.
I think Aleksej Pokusevski would be like the Andre Kirilenko of this draft. (Not the same defender by any means, but the freaky weird athlete that no one knows what to do with.)
I think Patrick Williams is the Jimmy Butler of this draft.
I think Tyrese Maxey is the Coby White of this draft.
I think Paul Reed is the Josh Smith of this draft.
I think Leandro Bolmaro is the Ricky Rubio of this draft.
I think Tyrese Haliburton could be the SGA of this draft.
I think Isaac Okoro is the Corey Magette of this draft.

I could go on...
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Post#377 » by Catchall » Sat Nov 7, 2020 11:54 pm

I also think Reggie Perry could be as good offensively as Al Horford. I have no idea why no one's talking about him.
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Post#378 » by KqWIN » Sun Nov 8, 2020 1:33 am

Catchall wrote:
KqWIN wrote:Okongwu might be my top player in this draft :lol: . I think the top of this draft is very, very bad.

This draft reminds me of the Anthony Bennet draft. Someone might find their Oladipo at the top, but there are going to be some huge busts. Hopefully there’s a Giannis or Gobert waiting for us at the end of the draft.


I think James Wiseman is the Deandre Jordan of this draft and can also potentially do some Joel Embiid things.
I think Aleksej Pokusevski would be like the Andre Kirilenko of this draft. (Not the same defender by any means, but the freaky weird athlete that no one knows what to do with.)
I think Patrick Williams is the Jimmy Butler of this draft.
I think Tyrese Maxey is the Coby White of this draft.
I think Paul Reed is the Josh Smith of this draft.
I think Leandro Bolmaro is the Ricky Rubio of this draft.
I think Tyrese Haliburton could be the SGA of this draft.
I think Isaac Okoro is the Corey Magette of this draft.

I could go on...


Those are some very ambitious takes my friends...some of these guys are going to hit. It’s the nature of the draft. But this is definitely the worst draft I’ve seen in a while. The top is awful, and I think the depth appears to be better because guys are closer together...but in reality the whole group lags behind.

There are definitely guys I like...but I guess I’m less hopeful about the draft in general. I would bet on less than 15 total FRP’s this year getting to a real second contract. Similar to 2013.
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Post#379 » by stitches » Sun Nov 8, 2020 12:40 pm

KqWIN wrote:Okongwu might be my top player in this draft :lol: . I think the top of this draft is very, very bad.

This draft reminds me of the Anthony Bennet draft. Someone might find their Oladipo at the top, but there are going to be some huge busts. Hopefully there’s a Giannis or Gobert waiting for us at the end of the draft.

Hopefully we get our new Gobert and not our new Trey Burke.

For whatever it's worth this was posted on Hawks reddit by someone claiming to be Hawks insider:

https://www.reddit.com/r/AtlantaHawks/comments/jon766/hawks_leaks_thread_two/

-Obviously stuff all over, but I was told that Utah, surprisingly, was calling the Hawks often about moving up to the #6 pick as they are targeting a player who would be there. Obviously a big jump from where they are in the draft but it could turn into a 3-team deal where the Hawks get a few veteran pieces. Stay tuned on this one.


So... Jazz aparently want to trade up to that 5-6-7 range for someone specific. If that's the case then who is that player you guys think?

Also... what would it take to trade up to 6? I don't really feel like we have enough to trade that far up. Bogdanovic? Do they want Bogdanovic? Do we want to trade him?Can we extract value out of Conley's expiring via 3 team trade? What about Cleveland or Detroit? If we've contacted Atlanta, chances are we've done it with other teams in that range in case our guy falls there too?

Who might we be targeting? Okoro? Toppin? Hayes? Haliburton? Maledon?

Rumors are Ball has been stinking up the interviews and meetings with teams and might be falling... can it be him?
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Post#380 » by sip » Sun Nov 8, 2020 4:02 pm

If I'm the jazz I am targeting Wiseman if we want to move up and obviously Gobert is the only asset that can get us there. It is crazy to me that Wiseman isn't viewed as the consensus number 1 pick. His size and skillet is incredible to me. When I look at him I see David Robinson offensively. Not defensively but still disruptive on that end as well. I get why the wolves would pass on him with KAT but if I'm the warriors it is a no brainer to draft him. A Wiseman/Mitchell duo offensively could be really really special.

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