OT Election Thread

[moorhosj]

Keyword investigating that's it. They haven't even charged him yet and if they did he'll likely get out of it. The elites in America are above the law.

Cosby, Epstein, Madoff, and multiple Illinois Governors disagree. You are ignoring that a grand jury already exists and is issuing subpoenas for his documents. Having been on a grand jury, they wouldn’t be wasting their time unless they had some pretty good evidence. That doesn’t mean he won’t get off with just a fine, but clearly rich, powerful people can and do go to prison.

[PlayerUp]

Rumors are circulating now that Melania will divorce him. This, along with all the lawsuits that become active after he leaves, will add to his problems. Will be interesting to see how Trump copes.

It's a former aid that stated it. Lets wait for some credible reports.

[PlayerUp]

Who knows where things will be in 2024, you never know. The stock market is up 7% this year, people talk about economic recovery, but the stock market is actually up more this year than a "typical" year.

Yeah, they're buying all the corporate debt and mortgages. They got trillions to do so from the cares act.

But mainstreet and wall street are very disconnected. Tons of layoffs and hiring freezes.

Agreed, the rich got richer during the pandemic and the poor got poorer.

[moorhosj]

Yeah, they're buying all the corporate debt and mortgages. They got trillions to do so from the cares act.

But mainstreet and wall street are very disconnected. Tons of layoffs and hiring freezes.

Agreed, the rich got richer during the pandemic and the poor got poorer.

This pandemic has shifted an enormous amount of wealth from small businesses to big businesses. When book stores, toy stores, bars, restaurants and local gyms were shut down; people simply shifted that spending to Amazon, Walmart, Costco, Peloton, and Uber Eats. The stock market growth simply reflects the fact that smaller businesses (not publicly traded) are getting crushed while larger businesses (publicly traded) continue to grow. That’s how GDP goes down and stocks go up.

Planet Money had a recent podcast about it for those interested: https://www.npr.org/2020/11/04/931496888/whats-next-for-the-economy

[Wingy]

Oh yes.

This.

I literally laughed so hard, for so long - it produced tears, and mild pain last night.

https://www.themarysue.com/trump-campaign-ends-with-saddest-press-conference-at-four-seasons-total-landscaping/

Then check out Twitter of course for more fun, and reactions.

[jc23]

Oh yes.

This.

I literally laughed so hard, for so long - it produced tears, and mild pain last night.

https://www.themarysue.com/trump-campaign-ends-with-saddest-press-conference-at-four-seasons-total-landscaping/

Then check out Twitter of course for more fun, and reactions.

Had fun in 2016 with this type of stuff with the Hilary crowd and now in 2020 with the trump. Its basically the equivalent to going on the knicks board during one of their meltdowns lol.

[MrFortune3]

Nixon kinda did, losing in 1960 as incumbent VP, then winning the Presidency in his 1968 comeback. Not the same thing, of course, but somewhat in that spirit. But ultimately the comparison fails because Nixon while running as a conventional politician while Trump lost while running as the leader of a personality movement. Trump is like no other President, so history isn't a very useful guide.

It's also worth noting we are speaking about ancient history here. In the last 24 years, all incumbents outside of Trump have won reelection. So this is not like something unknown. Biden himself has run for president 3 times. The first two times he didn't even get a delegate. Now he's president.

Feel like Ice Man nails it. Trump is an identity.

History means nothing. Not sure on TheStig’s sentiment above (hard to tell which side of the point that your point compliments), but I feel like I’m hearing pollsters when I see MF3’s post.

No matter how ridiculous it is...the cult base sees him as them. It’s like they see the Dems running against themselves, and orangey is their champion.

Unless he’s in jail, or in debilitatingly bad health, he’ll be the R nominee in 2024. Running on a “they stole the election from you” fervor.

I understand what people are saying and he's definitely a cult leader. But once again, without the power of the office and Fox News as his personal speaking seminar...he has less influence.
His opinion without the power to back it up is negligible. Even if he remains influential in the party, he's burned too many bridges to get back to the mountaintop.

[MrFortune3]

Nobody cares about the GOP. He literally chewed up and spit out the RNC chair and got even more money. The donors love Trump. He gives them monster tax cuts and cuts regulation. That's all the super rich donors really care about.

It won't matter, if the country moves on and does well. He'll never sniff the nomination.

It's amazing you can say these things with certainty. He won 2 nominations. He's not the kind of guy who's going to fade into the sunset. After ingratiation day, it won't be the last you hear from him.

He won 2 nominations for the GOP. He just threw several loyal GOP Governors and senators under the bus and claimed the results in their state were fraudulent. To the point that they came out and criticized him publicly. Which outside of 2-3, has never really happened during his Presidency.

I don't care how big of a cult you have, I don't care how popular your are, I don't care how many nominations you have won.
When you mess with the power players and make them revolt, the rest won't matter.

More to the point, You had 74+ million Americans say hell no to a 2nd term, that number will only grow in 2024 if he runs.

[PlayerUp]

As Biden’s lead increases in Georgia, the remaining votes are coming from about 22,000 military and overseas voters, as well as provisional ballots that required additional information, such as missing IDs.

Endless ballots. We need a better system.

[Michael Jackson]

Feel like Ice Man nails it. Trump is an identity.

History means nothing. Not sure on TheStig’s sentiment above (hard to tell which side of the point that your point compliments), but I feel like I’m hearing pollsters when I see MF3’s post.

No matter how ridiculous it is...the cult base sees him as them. It’s like they see the Dems running against themselves, and orangey is their champion.

Unless he’s in jail, or in debilitatingly bad health, he’ll be the R nominee in 2024. Running on a “they stole the election from you” fervor.

I highly doubt it. He'll be 78 years old, and I would be surprised if he doesn't have some major health issues between now and then, given his lifestyle and diet. Not to mention that people will have moved on from him by then.

Who cares if he’ll be 78? That’s basically Biden right now.

I acknowledged health, and serious legal issues...but those will need a smoking gun with his prints all over it. But if he’s “good enough” in those categories, and there are no slam dunk cases that he can’t gridlock with appeals, he’ll be back.

I feel like some of you haven’t been paying attention the last four years.

All his b.s., all the hypocrisy spewed from his supporters; eg - Biden is creepy...Biden is corrupt...Biden has dementia...when their point of comparison is Trump ffs!!! He’s literally infallible to them. They defend him like he’s their child. He really is a cult leader.

Once all his legal challenges flame out, all he’s gotta do is say I’m running in 2024. That’s it....and he’ll be as big as ever in the news cycle.

Folks are absolutely kidding themselves (eg - MF3) thinking you need the power of the office to command the attention. Bologna. You need the ability to draw ratings, views, and clicks. Trump has that ability in spades, especially if he says he’s running again.

Then as others have pointed out. He controls too much of the base. It’s either get behind him, or hand the Presidency over to the Dems in a walk.

He’ll be back. We basically gotta hope Biden shocks the world with a Jimmy Butler playoff run these next four years.

You nailed that. The hope for the GOP is that they can distance themselves enough and get a candidate now and grow that base to out pace trump. Fanatically Trump base isn’t as big as imagined though, they are just so damn vocal, most go along just because they are red. If they have someone to take the general republican vote (most reds I know hate trump) then it will be fine, the problem is the polarization that Trump drudged up the last 4 years that the Dems also played into. Biden needs to get unity on board ASAP and Trump can fade, but if he doesn’t Trump will be back, I don’t think his progeny can do it honestly they just don’t have the Bravado that he does, his narcissism is top level. You are spot on though, he can and still will have media access and control with or without the GOP’s blessing, because that was exactly what happened in 16.

[Dresden]

Republicans used to dominate politics prior to Clinton. Hollywood and pretty much everyone supported them. Things changed in the 90s under Clinton and ever since then the democratic party has been the party adapting to the rapidly changing US culture. The GOP needs a new identity and until they have one and adapt to the changing society they will continue to lose presidential elections.

What do you mean by dominated? I find that a tenuous claim. And how far back do you want to go?

1968 to 1992 was all republican presidents except Carter in between. Prior to FDR, republicans were in control as well. GOP is losing touch with the majority and until they reinvent their party, they'll likely always lose the popular vote.

That's kind of an artificial cut off line- if you include 60-68 it changes the equation quite a bit. And if you include FDR and Truman, even more so. Not to mention that, without looking it up, I would be the House was more democratically controlled during all those years. I don't think it was until they lost the South after LBJ passed civil rights legislation that the House was often red.

And big cities were tightly controlled by democratic political machines for much of the 20th century.

[Dresden]

Feel like Ice Man nails it. Trump is an identity.

History means nothing. Not sure on TheStig’s sentiment above (hard to tell which side of the point that your point compliments), but I feel like I’m hearing pollsters when I see MF3’s post.

No matter how ridiculous it is...the cult base sees him as them. It’s like they see the Dems running against themselves, and orangey is their champion.

Unless he’s in jail, or in debilitatingly bad health, he’ll be the R nominee in 2024. Running on a “they stole the election from you” fervor.

I highly doubt it. He'll be 78 years old, and I would be surprised if he doesn't have some major health issues between now and then, given his lifestyle and diet. Not to mention that people will have moved on from him by then.

Who cares if he’ll be 78? That’s basically Biden right now.

I acknowledged health, and serious legal issues...but those will need a smoking gun with his prints all over it. But if he’s “good enough” in those categories, and there are no slam dunk cases that he can’t gridlock with appeals, he’ll be back.

I feel like some of you haven’t been paying attention the last four years.

All his b.s., all the hypocrisy spewed from his supporters; eg - Biden is creepy...Biden is corrupt...Biden has dementia...when their point of comparison is Trump ffs!!! He’s literally infallible to them. They defend him like he’s their child. He really is a cult leader.

Once all his legal challenges flame out, all he’s gotta do is say I’m running in 2024. That’s it....and he’ll be as big as ever in the news cycle.

Folks are absolutely kidding themselves (eg - MF3) thinking you need the power of the office to command the attention. Bologna. You need the ability to draw ratings, views, and clicks. Trump has that ability in spades, especially if he says he’s running again.

Then as others have pointed out. He controls too much of the base. It’s either get behind him, or hand the Presidency over to the Dems in a walk.

He’ll be back. We basically gotta hope Biden shocks the world with a Jimmy Butler playoff run these next four years.

I just think he's going to lose his following after this, and it's not going to be so easy to rekindle that flame. It's like the pandemic- it's burning hot right now, but in two years, it will just be a minor disease that we'll have to keep our eyes on, but that won't be dominating the news and scaring the hell out of everyone like it is now.

[Dresden]

Oh yes.

This.

I literally laughed so hard, for so long - it produced tears, and mild pain last night.

https://www.themarysue.com/trump-campaign-ends-with-saddest-press-conference-at-four-seasons-total-landscaping/

Then check out Twitter of course for more fun, and reactions.

Hilarious. Can they be anymore incompetent? From the same people that brought you 230K deaths from Covid, worst in the world.

[Dresden]

If I were the major networks, I would put a totally blackout on all things Trump. No post-presidency interviews or reports, no reprinting his outrageous tweets, no stories on his businesses, just pretend like he doesn't exist. If you want to make sure he doesn't raise his ugly head again, that's the best way to do it. Relegate him to Fox News, Breitbart, and any other fringe media outlets he can find.

[jc23]

If I were the major networks, I would put a totally blackout on all things Trump. No post-presidency interviews or reports, no reprinting his outrageous tweets, no stories on his businesses, just pretend like he doesn't exist. If you want to make sure he doesn't raise his ugly head again, that's the best way to do it. Relegate him to Fox News, Breitbart, and any other fringe media outlets he can find.

Trump has gotten them alot of ratings the last 4 years.

[PlayerUp]

If I were the major networks, I would put a totally blackout on all things Trump. No post-presidency interviews or reports, no reprinting his outrageous tweets, no stories on his businesses, just pretend like he doesn't exist. If you want to make sure he doesn't raise his ugly head again, that's the best way to do it. Relegate him to Fox News, Breitbart, and any other fringe media outlets he can find.

Trump has gotten them alot of ratings the last 4 years.

Actually without Trump, some of these media companies may drop off even more. Trump was there #1 reason many tuned in or read their articles. With him out, what are they going to do now?

[Dresden]

If I were the major networks, I would put a totally blackout on all things Trump. No post-presidency interviews or reports, no reprinting his outrageous tweets, no stories on his businesses, just pretend like he doesn't exist. If you want to make sure he doesn't raise his ugly head again, that's the best way to do it. Relegate him to Fox News, Breitbart, and any other fringe media outlets he can find.

Trump has gotten them alot of ratings the last 4 years.

That's true, but they talk a lot about the need to do things "for the good of the country". They can do their part now.

[musiqsoulchild]

As Biden’s lead increases in Georgia, the remaining votes are coming from about 22,000 military and overseas voters, as well as provisional ballots that required additional information, such as missing IDs.

Endless ballots. We need a better system.

Stop propagating misinformation.

This has ALWAYS been the process.

The only difference is volume. And that's because of Covid.

[Leslie Forman]

While I think I agree with what you are saying, who was the candidate that should have ran? Biden in fact work out as an electable candidate so I guess they were right in that sense, but this should have been easier for sure. I have never been a Biden fan, yet I think the polarization vote was actually the wrong tact in this election against Trump. Running hard moderate and not being baited into Trump controversy could have made this a gimmie putt.

People always think "moderate" is the way you grab the undecided middle, it's not. That's old, outdated, establishment thinking pushed by the talking heads on TV who are beholden to the very sham they're pushing.

Whenever you hear from these people, they care about stuff like honesty, integrity, straight talking, etc. They absolutely despise anything that comes across as "establishment," "typical politician," etc. Policies don't matter to them.

If the RNC had reacted competently to what was happening with Trump in 2016 and gotten behind one establishment candidate to take him out like the DNC did with Bernie, we would've had Hillary vs. Cruz or Rubio. And you know what? Hillary probably wins that because she's just going up against another traditional boring "establishment" type.

Obama may have just been another neoliberal establishment guy, but he wasn't packaged as one - he was marketed as a progressive new young guy. He beat McCain and Romney. Trump, well, he obviously wasn't establishment - and he beat Hillary. He outperformed the polls by a ton.

Trump may have lost this time, but he was absolutely godawful - and he barely lost. He outperformed the polls again. He actually gained minority support. This guy should have been ass blasted out of office and instead he very nearly won again, all because as awful as he is, nobody will ever think he is "establishment," and that soft, stupid middle of this country that doesn't even understand how tax brackets work or that Iran is not the same as Iraq really loves that.

The Dems will never realize this, and it's why they're only gonna lose again.

[Dresden]

While I think I agree with what you are saying, who was the candidate that should have ran? Biden in fact work out as an electable candidate so I guess they were right in that sense, but this should have been easier for sure. I have never been a Biden fan, yet I think the polarization vote was actually the wrong tact in this election against Trump. Running hard moderate and not being baited into Trump controversy could have made this a gimmie putt.

People always think "moderate" is the way you grab the undecided middle, it's not. That's old, outdated, establishment thinking pushed by the talking heads on TV who are beholden to the very sham they're pushing.

Whenever you hear from these people, they care about stuff like honesty, integrity, straight talking, etc. They absolutely despise anything that comes across as "establishment," "typical politician," etc. Policies don't matter to them.

If the RNC had reacted competently to what was happening with Trump in 2016 and gotten behind one establishment candidate to take him out like the DNC did with Bernie, we would've had Hillary vs. Cruz or Rubio. And you know what? Hillary probably wins that because she's just going up against another traditional boring "establishment" type.

Obama may have just been another neoliberal establishment guy, but he wasn't packaged as one - he was marketed as a progressive new young guy. He beat McCain and Romney. Trump, well, he obviously wasn't establishment - and he beat Hillary. He outperformed the polls by a ton.

Trump may have lost this time, but he was absolutely godawful - and he barely lost. He outperformed the polls again. He actually gained minority support. This guy should have been ass blasted out of office and instead he very nearly won again, all because as awful as he is, nobody will ever think he is "establishment," and that soft, stupid middle of this country that doesn't even understand how tax brackets work or that Iran is not the same as Iraq really loves that.

The Dems will never realize this, and it's why they're only gonna lose again.

I think the lesson to be learned is that ever since Reagan, it really, really helps to win the presidency if you are charismatic, a celebrity, or have some ability to really connect with people. It's becoming much harder to win if you are a standard, no nonsense politician, like a Richard Nixon, or Lyndon Johnson, Hillary Clinton, or George HW Bush. You need something different, something that can get people excited. I guess that's always been true to some degree, but in the age of TV, and 24 hour media coverage, and how fascinated we are with celebrities and fame, it's just about a pre-requisite now.

Biden of course is an exception, because after Trump people just wanted someone safe.