Nuggets Trades

[The Rebel]

I have been trying to figure out how to get Troy Brown Jr or Chandler Hutchison who Sky and I both want, and realized we have the Juancho TPE. I cannot be the only one that would trade our 1st for one of them and than buy a mid 2nd rounder for a guy like Scrubb? takes care of the issues at guard/sf to match with Barton off the bench and quality depth.

While on the surface it may not make much sense for either team to trade their guy, if they draft a SF or if they do make a trade and the team they trade with would prefer the pick over their player it could work well for us.

Reading the Bulls board they seem open to trading Gafford and a 2nd for a bad contract if they get back a 1st, I wonder if they really would do Hutchison and Gafford for our 1st using the TPEs we have.

[skywalker33]

I have been trying to figure out how to get Troy Brown Jr or Chandler Hutchison who Sky and I both want, and realized we have the Juancho TPE. I cannot be the only one that would trade our 1st for one of them and than buy a mid 2nd rounder for a guy like Scrubb? takes care of the issues at guard/sf to match with Barton off the bench and quality depth.

While on the surface it may not make much sense for either team to trade their guy, if they draft a SF or if they do make a trade and the team they trade with would prefer the pick over their player it could work well for us.

Reading the Bulls board they seem open to trading Gafford and a 2nd for a bad contract if they get back a 1st, I wonder if they really would do Hutchison and Gafford for our 1st using the TPEs we have.

Gotta think the draft could have a big impact there. If Ball, Wiseman, and Edwards go 1,2,3 then Avdija is the best available player at #4. The Bulls really need a playmaker at PG but Deni skillset would be hard to pass up. If they select the Israeli SF, Hutchison becomes expendable and I can see the deal getting done. If they go for a PG like Hayes or Haliburton it becomes more difficult. However, this is a draft filled with PGs that will be available in the late teens early 20's (Anthony, Maxey, Riller) who could easily fill their need as a dynamic playmaker. I could also see a deal around Morris, who coming up on Free Agency next year, perhaps we could do something like Morris and Cancar and ?? for Hutchison and Gafford with us using 22 for Morris's replacement and putting Dozier at backup SG.

[skywalker33]

Seems Rebel is right on target again !!

So, two players I could see the Nuggets having an interest in are Chandler Hutchison and Daniel Gafford, both currently backups for the Bulls. Without asking for MPJ, Jokic or Murray, any idea what CHI would as for in return ?

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[The Rebel]

I have been trying to figure out how to get Troy Brown Jr or Chandler Hutchison who Sky and I both want, and realized we have the Juancho TPE. I cannot be the only one that would trade our 1st for one of them and than buy a mid 2nd rounder for a guy like Scrubb? takes care of the issues at guard/sf to match with Barton off the bench and quality depth.

While on the surface it may not make much sense for either team to trade their guy, if they draft a SF or if they do make a trade and the team they trade with would prefer the pick over their player it could work well for us.

Reading the Bulls board they seem open to trading Gafford and a 2nd for a bad contract if they get back a 1st, I wonder if they really would do Hutchison and Gafford for our 1st using the TPEs we have.

Gotta think the draft could have a big impact there. If Ball, Wiseman, and Edwards go 1,2,3 then Avdija is the best available player at #4. The Bulls really need a playmaker at PG but Deni skillset would be hard to pass up. If they select the Israeli SF, Hutchison becomes expendable and I can see the deal getting done. If they go for a PG like Hayes or Haliburton it becomes more difficult. However, this is a draft filled with PGs that will be available in the late teens early 20's (Anthony, Maxey, Riller) who could easily fill their need as a dynamic playmaker. I could also see a deal around Morris, who coming up on Free Agency next year, perhaps we could do something like Morris and Cancar and ?? for Hutchison and Gafford with us using 22 for Morris's replacement and putting Dozier at backup SG.

We don't have to include anybody with the TPEs, we can include Morris but I want real value for Morris so no 1st from us and I would want a 2nd at least.

[The Rebel]

With free agency starting before the draft reportedly, there could be some deals out there for us if we are willing to take back salary.

Is there a team that needs a veteran leader for a young team and has a big contract they would like to dump? Deals like Adams and Horford you might be able to get sending them Plumlee on a 1 year guaranteed contract for a sign and trade.

Could you convince a team like the Kings to do Bogdanovic for Plumlee? Would Plumlee take an overpaid deal even if it was the Kings?

What if we added Barton and the 22nd for Bjelica and their 1st? They get 2 good veteran influences in the locker room, we get a solid 4/5 that can shoot, a great SG/SF already, and a shot at guys like Bey, Hampton, and Achiuwa.

[stoo]

With free agency starting before the draft reportedly, there could be some deals out there for us if we are willing to take back salary.

Is there a team that needs a veteran leader for a young team and has a big contract they would like to dump? Deals like Adams and Horford you might be able to get sending them Plumlee on a 1 year guaranteed contract for a sign and trade.

Could you convince a team like the Kings to do Bogdanovic for Plumlee? Would Plumlee take an overpaid deal even if it was the Kings?

What if we added Barton and the 22nd for Bjelica and their 1st? They get 2 good veteran influences in the locker room, we get a solid 4/5 that can shoot, a great SG/SF already, and a shot at guys like Bey, Hampton, and Achiuwa.

We can simply sign Bogdanovic. He is a restricted free agent. He is probably going to get something around 4/75

Kings are definitely not giving bogdan + bjelica + trade down pick for plumlee and barton, and especially not bogdan for plumlee. Maybe they would think to sign and trade Bogdan for Grant

[skywalker33]

We can simply sign Bogdanovic. He is a restricted free agent. He is probably going to get something around 4/75

Kings are definitely not giving bogdan + bjelica + trade down pick for plumlee and barton, and especially not bogdan for plumlee. Maybe they would think to sign and trade Bogdan for Grant

Not sure you really understand our cap situation. we sign Bogdan, say goodbye to Grant or go into the Tax. DEN is not in the habit of going into the Luxury Cap so the best way to get Bogdan on this team is in a trade option. And WHY wouldn't the Kings want to get something for Bogdan rather than just see him walk for nada ?? Plumlee is better than Holmes, their current starter IMO. Adding in Barton, who was our starting SF and his veteran leadership could be worth Bjelica and a swap, their locker room culture needs a huge change for the better. And no way am I giving up Grant unless I have to.

[stoo]

We can simply sign Bogdanovic. He is a restricted free agent. He is probably going to get something around 4/75

Kings are definitely not giving bogdan + bjelica + trade down pick for plumlee and barton, and especially not bogdan for plumlee. Maybe they would think to sign and trade Bogdan for Grant

Not sure you really understand our cap situation. we sign Bogdan, say goodbye to Grant or go into the Tax. DEN is not in the habit of going into the Luxury Cap so the best way to get Bogdan on this team is in a trade option. And WHY wouldn't the Kings want to get something for Bogdan rather than just see him walk for nada ?? Plumlee is better than Holmes, their current starter IMO. Adding in Barton, who was our starting SF and his veteran leadership could be worth Bjelica and a swap, their locker room culture needs a huge change for the better. And no way am I giving up Grant unless I have to.

of course you are not giving Grant. I used him just to find a player who could be swap candidate for bogdanovic. Non of other Denvers' players you could just swap, and grant is also FA.

Bogdanovic is a RFA, and kings can and probably will match any offer, and can trade him after

Bjelica is also arguably at Barton's level too

I can's see any variant where Bogdan ends up here thru trade

[The Rebel]

We can simply sign Bogdanovic. He is a restricted free agent. He is probably going to get something around 4/75

Kings are definitely not giving bogdan + bjelica + trade down pick for plumlee and barton, and especially not bogdan for plumlee. Maybe they would think to sign and trade Bogdan for Grant

Not sure you really understand our cap situation. we sign Bogdan, say goodbye to Grant or go into the Tax. DEN is not in the habit of going into the Luxury Cap so the best way to get Bogdan on this team is in a trade option. And WHY wouldn't the Kings want to get something for Bogdan rather than just see him walk for nada ?? Plumlee is better than Holmes, their current starter IMO. Adding in Barton, who was our starting SF and his veteran leadership could be worth Bjelica and a swap, their locker room culture needs a huge change for the better. And no way am I giving up Grant unless I have to.

of course you are not giving Grant. I used him just to find a player who could be swap candidate for bogdanovic. Non of other Denvers' players you could just swap, and grant is also FA.

Bogdanovic is a RFA, and kings can and probably will match any offer, and can trade him after

Bjelica is also arguably at Barton's level too

I can's see any variant where Bogdan ends up here thru trade

We cannot just offer Bogdanovic his contract, we do not have near the cap room to pay him 4 years and $75 million, the most we could offer is about 4 years $45 million under the MLE.

If the Kings just match Bogdanovic than they are pissing off Bogdanovic and Buddy. Heild will force the trade that he has already stated he wanted if he is not the starter next year. If they match Bogdanovic's deal they cannot just trade him either, he cannot be traded for a full calendar year after they match which means he starts 2021-2022 as a King.

Players in a sign and trade pick their destination, if the trading team does not play ball than the team getting the guy usually finds another way to get cap space and the trading team gets screwed, see Andre Igoudala to the WArriors.

Because the player signing the contract chooses where to go they are in control, this gets the Kings an asset for a guy they are going to lose either way.

I know you are from Serbia so I understand you overrating Bogdanovic and Bjelica, but let's hear your argument that Bjelica is worth more than Barton, because I can easily argue that Barton is better than either player, and Bjelica is not even close.

[stoo]

Not sure you really understand our cap situation. we sign Bogdan, say goodbye to Grant or go into the Tax. DEN is not in the habit of going into the Luxury Cap so the best way to get Bogdan on this team is in a trade option. And WHY wouldn't the Kings want to get something for Bogdan rather than just see him walk for nada ?? Plumlee is better than Holmes, their current starter IMO. Adding in Barton, who was our starting SF and his veteran leadership could be worth Bjelica and a swap, their locker room culture needs a huge change for the better. And no way am I giving up Grant unless I have to.

of course you are not giving Grant. I used him just to find a player who could be swap candidate for bogdanovic. Non of other Denvers' players you could just swap, and grant is also FA.

Bogdanovic is a RFA, and kings can and probably will match any offer, and can trade him after

Bjelica is also arguably at Barton's level too

I can's see any variant where Bogdan ends up here thru trade

We cannot just offer Bogdanovic his contract, we do not have near the cap room to pay him 4 years and $75 million, the most we could offer is about 4 years $45 million under the MLE.

If the Kings just match Bogdanovic than they are pissing off Bogdanovic and Buddy. Heild will force the trade that he has already stated he wanted if he is not the starter next year. If they match Bogdanovic's deal they cannot just trade him either, he cannot be traded for a full calendar year after they match which means he starts 2021-2022 as a King.

Players in a sign and trade pick their destination, if the trading team does not play ball than the team getting the guy usually finds another way to get cap space and the trading team gets screwed, see Andre Igoudala to the WArriors.

Because the player signing the contract chooses where to go they are in control, this gets the Kings an asset for a guy they are going to lose either way.

I know you are from Serbia so I understand you overrating Bogdanovic and Bjelica, but let's hear your argument that Bjelica is worth more than Barton, because I can easily argue that Barton is better than either player, and Bjelica is not even close.

Bjelica is 6'10 .420 3pt%
Beside being more efficient than Barton, had pretty much the same overall stats in less minutes played. He can also playmake at 6'10

[THE J0KER]

PORTLAND: G.Harris, G.Hayward, #13, #22
BOSTON: C.J.McCollum, W.Barton
DENVER: M.Smart, Z.Collins, #16

[NuggetsWY]

PORTLAND: G.Harris, G.Hayward, #13, #22
BOSTON: C.J.McCollum, W.Barton
DENVER: M.Smart, Z.Collins, #16

Denver out: Harris, Barton, #22
Denver in: Smart, Collins, #16

I think Denver ought to like this deal! Smart isn't ideal for the Nuggets, but he'd be hard to turn down and Collins would be a very nice backup center/backup power forward.

Boston out: Smart, Hayward, #14 (I believe that is the Boston selection)
Boston in: McCollum, Barton

I'm not so sure Boston likes this trade. Smart is better than McCollum and Barton IMO, but it might be close enough - especially if they keep their pick (and don't send any to Denver). Hayward is probably also better than McCollum & Barton but with Brown & Tatum, Hayward's skillset is redundant. McCollum & Barton bring a different look.

Portland out: McCollum, Collins, #16
Portland in: Harris, Hayward, #14, #22

I don't think this trade works in terms of Portland's salary.

Hayward fills the SF role Portland needs. But giving up McCollum will be hard to do and I suspect they would prefer to keep Collins. Bringing back a gamble in Harris plus two 1sts just might be enough to entice them

[THE J0KER]

PORTLAND: G.Harris, G.Hayward, #13, #22
BOSTON: C.J.McCollum, W.Barton
DENVER: M.Smart, Z.Collins, #16

Denver out: Harris, Barton, #22
Denver in: Smart, Collins, #16

I think Denver ought to like this deal! Smart isn't ideal for the Nuggets, but he'd be hard to turn down and Collins would be a very nice backup center/backup power forward.

Boston out: Smart, Hayward, #14 (I believe that is the Boston selection)
Boston in: McCollum, Barton

I'm not so sure Boston likes this trade. Smart is better than McCollum and Barton IMO, but it might be close enough - especially if they keep their pick (and don't send any to Denver). Hayward is probably also better than McCollum & Barton but with Brown & Tatum, Hayward's skillset is redundant. McCollum & Barton bring a different look.

Portland out: McCollum, Collins, #16
Portland in: Harris, Hayward, #14, #22

I don't think this trade works in terms of Portland's salary.

Hayward fills the SF role Portland needs. But giving up McCollum will be hard to do and I suspect they would prefer to keep Collins. Bringing back a gamble in Harris plus two 1sts just might be enough to entice them

This trade idea is initiated by the latest rumors that the Celtics are interested in CJ McCollum. In that case, they obviously estimate him as a more valuable player than Hayward and Smart (nobody trade for a $30M player to be a backup). But you are probably right about the Portland cap problem. 25+ Whiteside and 10+ Ariza contracts expired, so I didn't check anything, but now I realized that Blazers are the #1 team with salaries last season (140M!), so even without Whiteside and Ariza, they are not in a position to take more than they give. For this trade happen Blazers can dump injured Hood and cheap SF duo (Ariza and Hezonja) elsewhere (including Denver).

[The Rebel]

of course you are not giving Grant. I used him just to find a player who could be swap candidate for bogdanovic. Non of other Denvers' players you could just swap, and grant is also FA.

Bogdanovic is a RFA, and kings can and probably will match any offer, and can trade him after

Bjelica is also arguably at Barton's level too

I can's see any variant where Bogdan ends up here thru trade

We cannot just offer Bogdanovic his contract, we do not have near the cap room to pay him 4 years and $75 million, the most we could offer is about 4 years $45 million under the MLE.

If the Kings just match Bogdanovic than they are pissing off Bogdanovic and Buddy. Heild will force the trade that he has already stated he wanted if he is not the starter next year. If they match Bogdanovic's deal they cannot just trade him either, he cannot be traded for a full calendar year after they match which means he starts 2021-2022 as a King.

Players in a sign and trade pick their destination, if the trading team does not play ball than the team getting the guy usually finds another way to get cap space and the trading team gets screwed, see Andre Igoudala to the WArriors.

Because the player signing the contract chooses where to go they are in control, this gets the Kings an asset for a guy they are going to lose either way.

I know you are from Serbia so I understand you overrating Bogdanovic and Bjelica, but let's hear your argument that Bjelica is worth more than Barton, because I can easily argue that Barton is better than either player, and Bjelica is not even close.

Bjelica is 6'10 .420 3pt%
Beside being more efficient than Barton, had pretty much the same overall stats in less minutes played. He can also playmake at 6'10

LMAO so your argument is that he is taller and shoots better 3s? Nothing else? Barton scores more, rebounds are basically the same, Barton passes into almost double the assists, and Barton is a better defender, but man those 4 inches of height make all the difference.

[The Rebel]

PORTLAND: G.Harris, G.Hayward, #13, #22
BOSTON: C.J.McCollum, W.Barton
DENVER: M.Smart, Z.Collins, #16

You can probably take out Barton or Harris and the numbers still work, we need 1 of them for some hope of shooting from our SG/SF backups. Otherwise I like it for us. I do not see Portland taking back Hayward's and Harris's deal for McCollum though.

[stoo]

We cannot just offer Bogdanovic his contract, we do not have near the cap room to pay him 4 years and $75 million, the most we could offer is about 4 years $45 million under the MLE.

If the Kings just match Bogdanovic than they are pissing off Bogdanovic and Buddy. Heild will force the trade that he has already stated he wanted if he is not the starter next year. If they match Bogdanovic's deal they cannot just trade him either, he cannot be traded for a full calendar year after they match which means he starts 2021-2022 as a King.

Players in a sign and trade pick their destination, if the trading team does not play ball than the team getting the guy usually finds another way to get cap space and the trading team gets screwed, see Andre Igoudala to the WArriors.

Because the player signing the contract chooses where to go they are in control, this gets the Kings an asset for a guy they are going to lose either way.

I know you are from Serbia so I understand you overrating Bogdanovic and Bjelica, but let's hear your argument that Bjelica is worth more than Barton, because I can easily argue that Barton is better than either player, and Bjelica is not even close.

Bjelica is 6'10 .420 3pt%
Beside being more efficient than Barton, had pretty much the same overall stats in less minutes played. He can also playmake at 6'10

LMAO so your argument is that he is taller and shoots better 3s? Nothing else? Barton scores more, rebounds are basically the same, Barton passes into almost double the assists, and Barton is a better defender, but man those 4 inches of height make all the difference.

No, not really. My arguments that Bjelica is better than Barton are that he is taller 5 inches, 50 pounds heavier, can literally play 1-5 in offense if asked, 3-5 in defense, 2 times cheaper than Barton, is less injury prone, shoots better for 2 and better for 3, rebounds, points, assists, steals, blocks are very similar, like all advanced stats, very high IQ player (not saying that Barton isn't)

per 36 last 2 seasons:
Bjelica 14,9 pts 8,6 reb 3,3 ast 1,1 stl 0.9 blk
Barton 15,7 pts 6,5 reb 3,9 ast 0,8 stl 0,6 blk

[The Rebel]

Atlanta has $50 million in cap space this summer and a very young team. Millsap still makes his summer home there, I wonder if they would return our old favor? We did the sign and trade with them as a favor so they could create the TPE and trade for a bad asset and pick later that season. He is loved by their fan base and they need a veteran leader that can teach Collins how to be professionals. Maybe a 2 year deal starting at $20 million declining for the 2nd year, we could get the TPE for $20 million and use that to get us a player.

How many decent players are out there are making $15-18 million that a team might give up for free to to save cash this year? Who is out there that we could sign and trade for that will be making in that neighborhood this year? Bogdanovic is 1, Gallo would work with it, and so many more. It would make a hell of a deal for us.

[The Rebel]

Chicago reportedly wants to move up to 1st, but the Twolves want a starting quality player or a very good prospect to move down.

I wonder if we could get Thad Young, Wendell Carter Jr, and Hutchison for Barton, with Barton going along with the 4th pick for the 1st pick overall and a salary dump going out from the Twolves?

[skywalker33]

Chicago reportedly wants to move up to 1st, but the Twolves want a starting quality player or a very good prospect to move down.

I wonder if we could get Thad Young, Wendell Carter Jr, and Hutchison for Barton, with Barton going along with the 4th pick for the 1st pick overall and a salary dump going out from the Twolves?

Not a fan of helping anyone in our division getting better but I think I'd do this deal. Never been a true fan of Young but he is a good defender. Uncertain if CHI does it either.

[NuggetsWY]

Chicago reportedly wants to move up to 1st, but the Twolves want a starting quality player or a very good prospect to move down.

I wonder if we could get Thad Young, Wendell Carter Jr, and Hutchison for Barton, with Barton going along with the 4th pick for the 1st pick overall and a salary dump going out from the Twolves?

Not a fan of helping anyone in our division getting better but I think I'd do this deal. Never been a true fan of Young but he is a good defender. Uncertain if CHI does it either.

I'm not so worried about helping Minnesota. I'm a true believer that our team getting better will keep us ahead of them. They don't seem to have a roster that works well together (and I'm not sure why).

Thad Young would be a nice backup power forward in Denver.
Wendell Carter would also be an acceptable backup power forward for us IMO.
Those two would provide some nice insurance/backup at center/pf.
I'm not sure Hutchinson brings a game that fits as well as Bates-Diop for instance, but I wouldn't be opposed to him in this deal.