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Re: 2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#1381 » by God Squad » Fri Nov 6, 2020 11:29 am

fbalmeida wrote:Aside from the Lakers fans and every single player on their own team, I've never seen any fanbase overrate a specific player as much as Raptors fans overrate JJ Reddick.

Why? We've witnessed JJ hurt the Raptors before. Even in the Philly series JJ curling off those screens is a deadly weapon to have. He hit multiple tough 3s with guys in his vicinity.
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Post#1382 » by God Squad » Fri Nov 6, 2020 11:31 am

TheAlchemist wrote:If Marc ain't coming back (which I think due to the now shortened season and fast pace of it all, might change his mind), I think there are some great low key options out there.

#1 priority is re-signing Serge. After that my favorites are:

1. Derrick Favors
2. Brampton man , Tristan Thompson
3. Nerlen Noels
4. Demarcus Cousins
5. Between Baynes/Kanter

I honestly want us to get a solid rebounder. For that reason Favors/Tristan are guys I'd be really interested in. Both also can give you spot minutes at the 4 Spot, or play next to Ibaka. Nerlens gives you that as well, and with the plethora of big men, hopefully we can steal him.

I'm not that worried about a stretch 5, especially since Ibaka and Siakam are our bigs with Boucher and RHJ there.

A solid defensive rebounder who is either athletic or cuts a lot is a need.

I'm taking Baynes before Cousins all day long. Maybe even before Thompson too. Baynes seems really underrated for what he could provide. I'm with you on Noel and Favours though, either would be huge. I'd also look at Poetl personally. I for one enjoyed him here and Pascal and him had a good bond.
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Re: 2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#1383 » by LoveMyRaps » Fri Nov 6, 2020 3:41 pm

TheAlchemist wrote:
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Multiple players should be allowed, that restriction is for trade exceptions i believe.

Here are the sign and trade rules

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Wow this changes everything. I was lied to all this time....

And now we can actually put together a legit trade proposal for Jrue without getting a third team involved :o


Why would anybody trade a legit young point guard, that was raised in our program and is loyal to our team, for Jrue.

Jrue is about to be on the wrong side of 30, has a good year or two left only, and can't be the point guard of our future.

He's amazimg but definitely overrated.


Jrue is 30 right now... So the ''wrong side of 30'' part doesn't make sense to me. Has Lowry regressed even though he's 34? Maybe a bit, but he's still one of the best point guards in the league.
If you watch Jrue play, he's still an elite layer on both ends of the floor. Has shown no signs of age getting to him.
He's far from overrated, in fact many NBA stars believe he's the most underrated player in the league.
He's exactly what the Raptors need.
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Re: 2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#1384 » by OGLife » Fri Nov 6, 2020 3:54 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:
TheAlchemist wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:
Wow this changes everything. I was lied to all this time....

And now we can actually put together a legit trade proposal for Jrue without getting a third team involved :o


Why would anybody trade a legit young point guard, that was raised in our program and is loyal to our team, for Jrue.

Jrue is about to be on the wrong side of 30, has a good year or two left only, and can't be the point guard of our future.

He's amazimg but definitely overrated.


Jrue is 30 right now... So the ''wrong side of 30'' part doesn't make sense to me. Has Lowry regressed even though he's 34? Maybe a bit, but he's still one of the best point guards in the league.
If you watch Jrue play, he's still an elite layer on both ends of the floor. Has shown no signs of age getting to him.
He's far from overrated, in fact many NBA stars believe he's the most underrated player in the league.
He's exactly what the Raptors need.

He most likely wants to play with his brothers; one of which is a FA.

We would have to trade Norm and keep as much cap space available for Giannis.
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Post#1385 » by TheBoi10 » Fri Nov 6, 2020 5:33 pm

Pistons want to move up for LaMelo

Knicks might trade for CP3

Less and less FVV suitors
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Post#1386 » by pr0gr4m » Fri Nov 6, 2020 5:58 pm

TheBoi10 wrote:Pistons want to move up for LaMelo

Knicks might trade for CP3

Less and less FVV suitors

Pelicans would probably be winning to sign and trade Jrue Holiday for FVV. --> It gives the Raptors a Lowry-like player to put next to Lowry.
Draft 29 Xavier Tillman --> His shooting performance in the combine makes him an exciting option
Draft 59 Cassius Winston --> Lowry-like player that can develop and learn from Lowry/Holiday

Davis for Maledon --> Young prospect that is capable of producing now if there is an injury. Otherwise Gleague development until Powell is traded

Re-sign Ibaka --> No other better C options. He is an asset and could be traded.
Sign Gallinari --> He has contributed to two different winning situations and would be a 20PPG bench scorer

Ibaka/Tillman
Siakam/Gallinari
OG/Watson
Holiday/Powell/Maledon
Lowry/Winston

Next season would be entirely dependent on OG and Siakam's offensive development. I would feel comfortable knowing next seasons fate of ECF/Finals berth would be dependent of those factors.

I would also draft either Tillman or Woodard depending on who's shot release is faster now. That was Woodard's biggest knock. If Woodard checks out I would go with him at 29 and looking at Baynes in FA.
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Post#1387 » by TheAlchemist » Fri Nov 6, 2020 6:05 pm

I really really would love to snatch TJ warren. But the bubble superstar is probably not going to get let go.

His contract and production is way too good.

Kelly Oubre Jr is another candidate I want to check out.
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Post#1388 » by baller16 » Fri Nov 6, 2020 6:53 pm

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fbalmeida wrote:Aside from the Lakers fans and every single player on their own team, I've never seen any fanbase overrate a specific player as much as Raptors fans overrate JJ Reddick.

Why? We've witnessed JJ hurt the Raptors before. Even in the Philly series JJ curling off those screens is a deadly weapon to have. He hit multiple tough 3s with guys in his vicinity.


He's only playable in the RS. He's to washed up on D for the playoffs (37 next year). Better off developing Thomas whose younger and cheaper
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Re: 2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#1389 » by LoveMyRaps » Fri Nov 6, 2020 8:33 pm

baller16 wrote:
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fbalmeida wrote:Aside from the Lakers fans and every single player on their own team, I've never seen any fanbase overrate a specific player as much as Raptors fans overrate JJ Reddick.

Why? We've witnessed JJ hurt the Raptors before. Even in the Philly series JJ curling off those screens is a deadly weapon to have. He hit multiple tough 3s with guys in his vicinity.


He's only playable in the RS. He's to washed up on D for the playoffs (37 next year). Better off developing Thomas whose younger and cheaper


Only playable in the RS? Not if you have elite defenders around him that can cover for him. Why do you think Philly came so close to beating us and gave us the hardest time? He's still an elite offensive player and has showed no signs of slowing down. He's putting up terrific offensive numbers and those numbers don't fall off in the playoffs either. He's one of the most battle tested and playoff experienced players in the league and has always been a great performer on the big stage. I think when you lose a veteran leader like Gasol, it's important you replace him with someone like Reddick. A well respected individual, like Gasol, who's still elite at what he does.
If your play is to acquire Giannis next summer, you need to surround him with players like Reddick, Thomas, etc.
Giannis, Siakam, OG are 3 of the best wing defenders in the league. Reddick wouldn't be a problem on defense.
Reddick is also an expiring so you're able sign him to a much cheaper deal next summer considering he'll be 37.
Trading Norm for Reddick would be like trading JV for Gasol.
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Re: 2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#1390 » by LoveMyRaps » Fri Nov 6, 2020 8:34 pm

I don't think the Pels are looking to acquire picks for Jrue. They're not in rebuild mode.
If they had Zion healthy last year, they'd be an 8th seed in a tough Western Conference. [9th at worse]
You don't wanna spend the next few years rebuilding if you're the Pels. You have a generational talent in Zion, a young star in Ingram. And a couple other prospects with plenty of potential like Ball, NAW, and Hayes.
If you continue sucking and just try to acquire picks and prospects for the next couple of years, then Zion might get sick of the losing and leave in 3 years when his rookie deal is up.

Instead I think the Pels will try to acquire players that can help them win now. Players that are in their prime and still relatively young.

For example: I proposed FVV + Powell for Holiday + Reddick. Pels would also save more money from the deal and can sign Noel or Baynes for MLE.

I also think Ibaka + Powell makes sense for the Pels. Ibaka averaged 19/9 in the 27 games he started. Pels could consider him over FVV because then they need a C more than a PG at this point and especially if they're still high on Ball.

FVV [averaged 18ppg in the 54 games he started]
Powell [averaged 19ppg in the 26 games he started]
Ingram
Zion
Noel

That's a well balanced playoff team IMO. You get two guys that are still relatively young, have shown that they can get it done on the big stage, are elite on both ends of the floor, have clutch genes, and have a heart of a champion.

The biggest takeaway is that if the Pelicans can make some noise this upcoming season and make the playoffs which I believe they would. Then they can afford to sign a big name free agent next summer. Gobert would make the most sense for that lineup IMO.
FVV/Powell/Ingram/Zion/Gobert - Goddamn. :o Definitely a title contender.

Of course the Raptors aren't the only option for the Pels to trade with. Another team that comes to mind are the Bucks.
Milwaukee can try Middleton + Divicenzo for Holiday + Reddick. That's also a pretty good deal for both sides IMO.
I think Holiday will end up with one of the Eastern Conference contenders and I truly do believe the Raptors can put together the best or at least one of the best, package of win now players for Holiday.

Powell vs Pelicans:


FVV vs Pelicans:
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Re: 2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#1391 » by OAKLEY_2 » Fri Nov 6, 2020 9:03 pm

God Squad wrote:
fbalmeida wrote:Aside from the Lakers fans and every single player on their own team, I've never seen any fanbase overrate a specific player as much as Raptors fans overrate JJ Reddick.

Why? We've witnessed JJ hurt the Raptors before. Even in the Philly series JJ curling off those screens is a deadly weapon to have. He hit multiple tough 3s with guys in his vicinity.


JJ isn't young but as a shooter he rivals Klay.
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Post#1392 » by OGLife » Fri Nov 6, 2020 11:27 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:I don't think the Pels are looking to acquire picks for Jrue. They're not in rebuild mode.
If they had Zion healthy last year, they'd be an 8th seed in a tough Western Conference. [9th at worse]
You don't wanna spend the next few years rebuilding if you're the Pels. You have a generational talent in Zion, a young star in Ingram. And a couple other prospects with plenty of potential like Ball, NAW, and Hayes.
If you continue sucking and just try to acquire picks and prospects for the next couple of years, then Zion might get sick of the losing and leave in 3 years when his rookie deal is up.

Instead I think the Pels will try to acquire players that can help them win now. Players that are in their prime and still relatively young.

For example: I proposed FVV + Powell for Holiday + Reddick. Pels would also save more money from the deal and can sign Noel or Baynes for MLE.

I also think Ibaka + Powell makes sense for the Pels. Ibaka averaged 19/9 in the 27 games he started. Pels could consider him over FVV because then they need a C more than a PG at this point and especially if they're still high on Ball.

FVV [averaged 18ppg in the 54 games he started]
Powell [averaged 19ppg in the 26 games he started]
Ingram
Zion
Noel

That's a well balanced playoff team IMO. You get two guys that are still relatively young, have shown that they can get it done on the big stage, are elite on both ends of the floor, have clutch genes, and have a heart of a champion.

The biggest takeaway is that if the Pelicans can make some noise this upcoming season and make the playoffs which I believe they would. Then they can afford to sign a big name free agent next summer. Gobert would make the most sense for that lineup IMO.
FVV/Powell/Ingram/Zion/Gobert - Goddamn. :o Definitely a title contender.

Of course the Raptors aren't the only option for the Pels to trade with. Another team that comes to mind are the Bucks.
Milwaukee can try Middleton + Divicenzo for Holiday + Reddick. That's also a pretty good deal for both sides IMO.
I think Holiday will end up with one of the Eastern Conference contenders and I truly do believe the Raptors can put together the best or at least one of the best, package of win now players for Holiday.

Powell vs Pelicans:


FVV vs Pelicans:

Jrue would look really nice with Middleton and Giannis. If they can keep DD, that's a core that can win in the East.

Jrue - Divin - Middleton -Wilson - Giannis

Active on defense and enough guys around Giannis for him to dominate.
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Post#1393 » by pr0gr4m » Fri Nov 6, 2020 11:52 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:I don't think the Pels are looking to acquire picks for Jrue. They're not in rebuild mode.
If they had Zion healthy last year, they'd be an 8th seed in a tough Western Conference. [9th at worse]
You don't wanna spend the next few years rebuilding if you're the Pels. You have a generational talent in Zion, a young star in Ingram. And a couple other prospects with plenty of potential like Ball, NAW, and Hayes.
If you continue sucking and just try to acquire picks and prospects for the next couple of years, then Zion might get sick of the losing and leave in 3 years when his rookie deal is up.

Instead I think the Pels will try to acquire players that can help them win now. Players that are in their prime and still relatively young.

For example: I proposed FVV + Powell for Holiday + Reddick. Pels would also save more money from the deal and can sign Noel or Baynes for MLE.

I also think Ibaka + Powell makes sense for the Pels. Ibaka averaged 19/9 in the 27 games he started. Pels could consider him over FVV because then they need a C more than a PG at this point and especially if they're still high on Ball.

FVV [averaged 18ppg in the 54 games he started]
Powell [averaged 19ppg in the 26 games he started]
Ingram
Zion
Noel

That's a well balanced playoff team IMO. You get two guys that are still relatively young, have shown that they can get it done on the big stage, are elite on both ends of the floor, have clutch genes, and have a heart of a champion.

The biggest takeaway is that if the Pelicans can make some noise this upcoming season and make the playoffs which I believe they would. Then they can afford to sign a big name free agent next summer. Gobert would make the most sense for that lineup IMO.
FVV/Powell/Ingram/Zion/Gobert - Goddamn. :o Definitely a title contender.

Of course the Raptors aren't the only option for the Pels to trade with. Another team that comes to mind are the Bucks.
Milwaukee can try Middleton + Divicenzo for Holiday + Reddick. That's also a pretty good deal for both sides IMO.
I think Holiday will end up with one of the Eastern Conference contenders and I truly do believe the Raptors can put together the best or at least one of the best, package of win now players for Holiday.


I think it's a good idea and I would be for it. I would try to do a straight FVV for Holiday swap. I have a feeling he is getting ready to really emerge. The culture of hard work and being given minutes is a pattern I see. NN also seems to give players a chance on their contract years. I think Powell's up next.

Jrue hasn't been as good the past season either.

I wouldn't give up any picks in this draft either. I would honestly try and gain some trading Davis for two additional second rounders might be a path we consider (due to his situation).

I would go after Tillman, Winston, Mane, and Woodard.

Ibaka/Tillman
Siakam/Woodard
OG/Watson
Holiday/Powell/Mane
Lowry/Winston

Winston is going to be great if he's developed by Toronto and Lowry. GREAT. we need to get on that asap somehow, someway he is extremely underrated.

Tillman will be a solid player he won't be an allstar. He could end up carving out a career of a solid starting big. He has everything you want and now he can shoot as good as a friggin shooting guard. I have a lot of interest here.

Woodard has all the features you want in a forward. He can probably guard 2-4 out of the gate and potentially 1-5 in a few years. He has developed his shooting a lot, he improved as a shooter in college, and I'm absolutely sure he took a jump now. He has a slow release but if that can be faster he has immense potential. I would trust hte Raptors to develop him well and he could be Kawhi level in a few years.

I'd use the final pick on Mane. I see the tools and potential but he would be a 2 year project. I see high bust potential but he has potential to be like Jrue. Being on the same team would be beneficial for him.

I think next season Giannis would still be possible if Lowry comes back cheap. Ibaka/Powell are assets and could be traded away for cap relief, Tillman/Mane could have good showings making it easier too.

Giannis/Tillman
Siakam/Woodard
OG/Woodard
Holiday/Mane
Winston/Lowry
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Post#1394 » by Mark_83 » Mon Nov 9, 2020 7:48 am

If we can move Norm for a late first it would really give us some flexibility. I'm a huge Norm fan but that frees up 10M in cap space and gives us a pick in a draft with a lot of similar role type players who can replace him whether its an Isaiah Joe or Jahmius Ramsey or Desmond Bane.
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Post#1395 » by fbalmeida » Mon Nov 9, 2020 2:13 pm

Any of your trades make the grade?

The Raptors Report guy liked (as in, considered it a good trade and not a bad trade) my idea of Powell + Boucher for Kleber.

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Post#1396 » by Psubs » Mon Nov 9, 2020 2:26 pm

McCaw, Stanley and cash for Jabari Parker? Lowers payroll, frees up roster spot adds a backup PF for 1 year. More confident for Parker to provide bench scoring than the other 2.

Wait, maybe McCaw, Stanley and #59 for Parker, saves $1.3 million, then spend that or a little more to buy a 2nd round pick higher up?

Then able to draft a 2/3.
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Post#1397 » by billy_hoyle » Mon Nov 9, 2020 9:15 pm

fbalmeida wrote:Any of your trades make the grade?

The Raptors Report guy liked (as in, considered it a good trade and not a bad trade) my idea of Powell + Boucher for Kleber.


Honestly, this makes me think that YOU are the Raptors Report guy. I'd imagine it's a very minority opinion that likes a Boucher + Powell for Kleber trade from the Raps perspective.

I'd actually hate it myself.
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Post#1398 » by Psubs » Mon Nov 9, 2020 9:55 pm

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fbalmeida wrote:Any of your trades make the grade?

The Raptors Report guy liked (as in, considered it a good trade and not a bad trade) my idea of Powell + Boucher for Kleber.


Honestly, this makes me think that YOU are the Raptors Report guy. I'd imagine it's a very minority opinion that likes a Boucher + Powell for Kleber trade from the Raps perspective.

I'd actually hate it myself.


Kleber is signed for the next 3 seasons for slightly less than the MLE. Boucher is replaceable.

Tim Hardaway should not opt out of his $18 million player option or else fire his agent, thus don't see a reason for Dallas to make this trade.
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Post#1399 » by fbalmeida » Mon Nov 9, 2020 9:59 pm

It's a sound trade. It transforms Norm (an expiring who is almost certainly leaving at the end of this season) into a solid 2-way big who can shoot that also has a great contract spanning after 2021, i.e., precisely when we will be most likely unable to afford to a big that good if we've allocated a max to Giannis, on a team with Siakam, Fred, and OG.

The reason for Dallas to make this deal would be to upgrade their horrendous backcourt defense with Norm. He'd be their starting SG.
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Post#1400 » by LoveMyRaps » Mon Nov 9, 2020 10:47 pm

The Washington Wizards would like to re-sign Davis Bertans, but they could pursue a sign-and-trade agreement with a team without cap space should that not be a viable option.

Multiple teams without cap space are preparing to make sign-and-trade offers, sources tell Chase Hughes of NBC Sports Washington.

Two Eastern Conference teams and one Western Conference team are among those interested in Bertans. The Boston Celtics, Los Angeles Lakers and Denver Nuggets were interested in trading for Bertans before the deadline in February.


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