Free Agent Talk

[xdrta+]

i still think we should go after Poeltl

Would love this. Feel like any game I've watched where he's been given real minutes , he's been a big factor


What would he cost ?

i guess somewhere around the MLE

That's what I was thinking. He made $3.7M last year and it's not like he set the world on fire. I always liked him though, I guess it depends on how much SA wants to keep him.

[Chupchup]

What about Boogie or Javale? We still need 20 mins at the C spot to fill.

Kerr didn't play Javale 20 minutes a game in his first stint here. Doubt Kerr wants him back. As for Boogie, why? In what world do you think that a guy who was playing his way back into the league after a torn achilles, who has since suffered a torn ACL would be reliable for 20 minutes a game?

With Javale, I thought he was very productive in the minutes he played for us. He would platoon at the center spot with draymond/looney/Chriss. The exact minutes will depend on the matchup. We didn't need him to play 20 before because we had KD (7ft) so that lessen some of the size needs.

The same thought would apply toward Boogie. A spot in the center rotation. He offers us a different post up look that we don't have. Bulk at the center spot against centers with bulk.

We aren't paying these guys #2 pick money like if we draft wiseman. So the risk is lower in the boogie case. Wiseman in the 1st few years may just play the Javale role. At 7 million a year seems excessive.

[xdrta+]

Personally, I'd rather pay Wiseman than give McGee the vet min (which probably wouldn't get him anyway.) Wiseman is an investment, McGee is a lost cause. And Cousins is a huge risk, no reason to take that risk again.

[jason bourne]

Personally, I'd rather pay Wiseman than give McGee the vet min (which probably wouldn't get him anyway.) Wiseman is an investment, McGee is a lost cause. And Cousins is a huge risk, no reason to take that risk again.

Nothing I've heard on McGee or Cousins. It's Dwight the Warriors want. However, there hasn't been any reply by Dwight to reciprocate. He may want to stay with the Lakers. Thus, I can see the Warriors picking James Wiseman to keep him. However, I think they'd be willing to trade him to the Hornets with a pick swap if they give up a vet. Definitely for Miles Bridges, but I doubt they give him up even for Wiseman. They can go with Okongwu.

[Chupchup]

Personally, I'd rather pay Wiseman than give McGee the vet min (which probably wouldn't get him anyway.) Wiseman is an investment, McGee is a lost cause. And Cousins is a huge risk, no reason to take that risk again.

It depends on what else you are going to do with the #2 pick. Essentially I was saying is I could cover the center spot minutes effectively with free agents. We really only need to cover 20 mins or less, with dray/looney/Chriss in the team.

There are more minutes to cover at the wing spots. Pf/sf/sg/pg . If we draft a wing, we could play them 25 to 30 mins. Don't know if there is a ton of shooting/defense/playmaking available cheap..

If Wiseman can play the pf spot, I would be all over him. Note he might but I don't know. In high school it seemed like he was perimeter slashing center but in college I think penny made him a traditional five.

Our best lineup currently is when draymond plays the 5. As our #2 pick, does that mean wiseman is on the bench then?

[xdrta+]

Personally, I'd rather pay Wiseman than give McGee the vet min (which probably wouldn't get him anyway.) Wiseman is an investment, McGee is a lost cause. And Cousins is a huge risk, no reason to take that risk again.

It depends on what else you are going to do with the #2 pick. Essentially I was saying is I could cover the center spot minutes effectively with free agents. We really only need to cover 20 mins or less, with dray/looney/Chriss in the team.

There are more minutes to cover at the wing spots. Pf/sf/sg/pg . If we draft a wing, we could play them 25 to 30 mins. Don't know if there is a ton of shooting/defense/playmaking available cheap..

Yeah, maybe. I think it's optimistic to count on a rookie (with a few obvious exceptions) for 30 minutes a game. Especially the rookies coming out of this draft class.

[ChuckDurn]

Personally, I'd rather pay Wiseman than give McGee the vet min (which probably wouldn't get him anyway.) Wiseman is an investment, McGee is a lost cause. And Cousins is a huge risk, no reason to take that risk again.

It depends on what else you are going to do with the #2 pick. Essentially I was saying is I could cover the center spot minutes effectively with free agents. We really only need to cover 20 mins or less, with dray/looney/Chriss in the team.

There are more minutes to cover at the wing spots. Pf/sf/sg/pg . If we draft a wing, we could play them 25 to 30 mins. Don't know if there is a ton of shooting/defense/playmaking available cheap..

Yeah, maybe. I think it's optimistic to count on a rookie (with a few obvious exceptions) for 30 minutes a game. Especially the rookies coming out of this draft class.

Yeah, I think that with one exception, we wouldn't expect more than 15-20 minutes/game from anybody we draft this year. Anybody who plays the 1-4 positions will be going behind an established starter that will play at least 30 minutes/game.

The exception might be Wiseman, but that's only a mild exception. If he merits it, he MIGHT get up to 25 minutes a game. But even that is a stretch, with Chris and Looney at the 5.

[jason bourne]

It depends on what else you are going to do with the #2 pick. Essentially I was saying is I could cover the center spot minutes effectively with free agents. We really only need to cover 20 mins or less, with dray/looney/Chriss in the team.

There are more minutes to cover at the wing spots. Pf/sf/sg/pg . If we draft a wing, we could play them 25 to 30 mins. Don't know if there is a ton of shooting/defense/playmaking available cheap..

Yeah, maybe. I think it's optimistic to count on a rookie (with a few obvious exceptions) for 30 minutes a game. Especially the rookies coming out of this draft class.

Yeah, I think that with one exception, we wouldn't expect more than 15-20 minutes/game from anybody we draft this year. Anybody who plays the 1-4 positions will be going behind an established starter that will play at least 30 minutes/game.

The exception might be Wiseman, but that's only a mild exception. If he merits it, he MIGHT get up to 25 minutes a game. But even that is a stretch, with Chris and Looney at the 5.

I thought for sure you meant LaMelo because of his experience playing men. I think Wiseman would be beaten up a lot inside. Yet, we've had Cs who started out playing 30 mpg+, so it isn't out of the question. Usually, those guys become All-Stars, but even Nikola Jokic, Rudy Gobert, Joel Embiid (injured first two years), and most other Cs did not. KAT, Al Horford, and AD did. I think it would be favorable if Wiseman got 20 mins as Ws have others ahead of him.

[ChuckDurn]

Yeah, maybe. I think it's optimistic to count on a rookie (with a few obvious exceptions) for 30 minutes a game. Especially the rookies coming out of this draft class.

Yeah, I think that with one exception, we wouldn't expect more than 15-20 minutes/game from anybody we draft this year. Anybody who plays the 1-4 positions will be going behind an established starter that will play at least 30 minutes/game.

The exception might be Wiseman, but that's only a mild exception. If he merits it, he MIGHT get up to 25 minutes a game. But even that is a stretch, with Chris and Looney at the 5.

I thought for sure you meant LaMelo because of his experience playing men. I think Wiseman would be beaten up a lot inside. Yet, we've had Cs who started out playing 30 mpg+, so it isn't out of the question. Usually, those guys become All-Stars, but even Nikola Jokic, Rudy Gobert, Joel Embiid (injured first two years), and most other Cs did not. KAT, Al Horford, and AD did. I think it would be favorable if Wiseman got 20 mins as Ws have others ahead of him.

Right, right, right..... because there wouldn’t be anybody ahead of LaMelo on the depth chart except...... (checking my notes)..... two All-World players. Unless the Warriors literally gave LaMelo (or any other guard) every available minute as back-up at guard, and didn’t give any of Poole, Mulder, Bowman, Lee (whoever is on the roster) a minute, there’s probably no more than 25 minutes available (barring injury, of course). That’s just not going to happen.

But yeah, whatever. Looney and Chriss are daunting guys to be behind, as opposed to those scrubs Steph and Klay.

[HiRez]

One reason I like Okongwu is he could get minutes at both C and PF, and would give Kerr a few more options on matchups, substitutions, and blending starters and bench. As stated above, I doubt any rookie will get more than ~25 or so, but Okongwu has a bit more positional versatility than Wiseman.

[DevinVassell]

One reason I like Okongwu is he could get minutes at both C and PF, and would give Kerr a few more options on matchups, substitutions, and blending starters and bench. As stated above, I doubt any rookie will get more than ~25 or so, but Okongwu has a bit more positional versatility than Wiseman.

Who is a better player over the next three years? Okongwu or Chriss.

Serious question.

[northoakland510]

Personally, I'd rather pay Wiseman than give McGee the vet min (which probably wouldn't get him anyway.) Wiseman is an investment, McGee is a lost cause. And Cousins is a huge risk, no reason to take that risk again.

Nothing I've heard on McGee or Cousins. It's Dwight the Warriors want. However, there hasn't been any reply by Dwight to reciprocate. He may want to stay with the Lakers. Thus, I can see the Warriors picking James Wiseman to keep him. However, I think they'd be willing to trade him to the Hornets with a pick swap if they give up a vet. Definitely for Miles Bridges, but I doubt they give him up even for Wiseman. They can go with Okongwu.

After that stuff with his son, I doubt the Warriors want Howard.

[TB]

One reason I like Okongwu is he could get minutes at both C and PF, and would give Kerr a few more options on matchups, substitutions, and blending starters and bench. As stated above, I doubt any rookie will get more than ~25 or so, but Okongwu has a bit more positional versatility than Wiseman.

Who is a better player over the next three years? Okongwu or Chriss.

Serious question.

It's a good question, and it says alot about how great Chriss looked last year.

When I look at what I think Okongwu will be early in his career, its basically the per 36 output that Chriss had last year, with an almost identical size/athleticism/skillset.

I think Okongwu will surpass Chriss by year 2 or 3, simply because he projects to have a higher hoops IQ. He reminds me of someone that will have the defensive awareness of a Looney or Udoh but with the athleticism of Chriss or Bam.

If we didn't have Chriss i'd probably be incredibly high on drafting Okongwu as high as #2, because I really do think he has an argument for being the top player in the draft. However, it's less exciting when we potentially have a very similar player already on the roster.

That being said, who we currently have (especially when its a small sample size of a player with a terrible past reputation) shouldn't determine our pick. If we draft back a few spots and Okongwu is BPA, we should take him. Having 48 minutes at the C spot of what Chriss brought in small doses last year would be a very good thing.

[HiRez]

One reason I like Okongwu is he could get minutes at both C and PF, and would give Kerr a few more options on matchups, substitutions, and blending starters and bench. As stated above, I doubt any rookie will get more than ~25 or so, but Okongwu has a bit more positional versatility than Wiseman.

Who is a better player over the next three years? Okongwu or Chriss.

Serious question.

Next year I probably have to say Chriss, only because Okongwu is a rookie and rookies will rookie. But in years 2 and 3 and beyond, I firmly believe Okongwu will be the better player. Okongwu is a bit better offensively (while still a work in progress), and he's A LOT better defensively. Even qualitatively if you look at the numbers (apples to oranges comparison because different leagues though).

Chriss: ORtg 117, DRtg 110
Okongwu: ORtg 123, DRtg 89

Okongwu also gets twice as many blocks than Chriss per 100 possessions, shoots a higher %, and rebounds and steals at a higher rate. The only area where Chriss has the edge is in assists and that may be partially attributable to playing on the Warriors where they tend to move the ball far above league average.

[kingcong95]

If the fit with Chriss is the main counterpoint against Okongwu, it's always possible to stagger them, and if Okongwu is as good as we think he is, trade Chriss for a 2nd round pick or let him go via free agency next year (we only have Early Bird rights).
Even if Okongwu is higher on our big board than Wiseman, however, I wouldn't pick Okongwu with 2.

[ahmetmekin]

I think Okongwu will be better right away. He is destined to be a defensive monster.

[Hopper15]

Chriss is a FA after next season. Don't let him preclude you from taking the player you like best.

[HiRez]

I think Okongwu will be better right away. He is destined to be a defensive monster.

Yes, I won't surprise me at all if he is better right away. You just never know with rookies. And even if he's a bit lost at first, I don't think that means he can't be useful right away, Kerr knows how to put guys into the best situations for them where they can play to their strengths (to some extent, this applies to anyone we pick up as well).

[Scoots1994]

The issue with Okongwu is that 6'9" is small for a 5, full stop. Chriss/Looney/Smiley or not, the Warriors are going to need to find a bigger guy to play center.

[Mylie10]

One reason I like Okongwu is he could get minutes at both C and PF, and would give Kerr a few more options on matchups, substitutions, and blending starters and bench. As stated above, I doubt any rookie will get more than ~25 or so, but Okongwu has a bit more positional versatility than Wiseman.

Who is a better player over the next three years? Okongwu or Chriss.

Serious question.

Next year I probably have to say Chriss, only because Okongwu is a rookie and rookies will rookie. But in years 2 and 3 and beyond, I firmly believe Okongwu will be the better player. Okongwu is a bit better offensively (while still a work in progress), and he's A LOT better defensively. Even qualitatively if you look at the numbers (apples to oranges comparison because different leagues though).

Chriss: ORtg 117, DRtg 110
Okongwu: ORtg 123, DRtg 89

Okongwu also gets twice as many blocks than Chriss per 100 possessions, shoots a higher %, and rebounds and steals at a higher rate. The only area where Chriss has the edge is in assists and that may be partially attributable to playing on the Warriors where they tend to move the ball far above league average.

Okungwu blocks are coming against Oregon State and Colorado though, etc.