2020 NBA Draft Prospects: Thread II

[KGdaBom]

Let’s do it. KAT isn’t a championship caliber center in this league and it isn’t close. What’s better than 1 7 foot ball handling stud that runs the court, hits free throws at a high clip, can step out and hit 3s? 2 of those. Except this one can protect the rim


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Wiseman has been my ask from the beginning. This is why. You shaped it up so well. Small ball be dammed. We are going Towns and Wiseman on the league. Worked for Robinson and Duncan.

18 years ago. That's the last time Robinson and Duncan played together. At that time the league average was 14.7 3-pt shots per team per game. Last season, the league averaged over 34 3-pt shots per team per game. The Wolves averaged just under 40 attempts per game. Like it or not, that's how the modern game is played.

I don't like it. We need to move the 3 back 6 feet or more or completely get rid of it.

[FinnTheHuman]

Dudes, Edwards is the pick. Even if KAT isn’t our center of the future. Idc about the center position, get a replacement lvl player like McGee or Zubac to play center, be strong at 2-4, like most elite teams rn are. Plus Edwards is awesome, he’s just super young. And if his family story is a mess, so what, turn it to our advantage, make him feel like the Wolves are his new family, just like Flip would make guys feel, that’s what you gotta do if you wanna be sure you’ll keep your stars as a smaller market franchise.

Edit: and if Edwards is a 77% ft shooter, he’s a great shooter in this league in a while. It’s 2020, guys learn how to jack up threes in a year or so. If we fail to get Edwards to good shooting percentages, it’s because we assigned an awful shooting coach to him and that is all.

[gandlogo]

Wiseman has been my ask from the beginning. This is why. You shaped it up so well. Small ball be dammed. We are going Towns and Wiseman on the league. Worked for Robinson and Duncan.

18 years ago. That's the last time Robinson and Duncan played together. At that time the league average was 14.7 3-pt shots per team per game. Last season, the league averaged over 34 3-pt shots per team per game. The Wolves averaged just under 40 attempts per game. Like it or not, that's how the modern game is played.

I don't like it. We need to move the 3 back 6 feet or more or completely get rid of it.

Cab drivers probably don't like Uber or Lyft, but neither are likely going away anytime soon. The reality is teams shoot a lot of threes - the impact is you have to be able to execute offensively and defensively on the perimeter full-time as a player. Not just occasionally. Guarding the perimeter is more important than rim protection.

[FinnTheHuman]

18 years ago. That's the last time Robinson and Duncan played together. At that time the league average was 14.7 3-pt shots per team per game. Last season, the league averaged over 34 3-pt shots per team per game. The Wolves averaged just under 40 attempts per game. Like it or not, that's how the modern game is played.

I don't like it. We need to move the 3 back 6 feet or more or completely get rid of it.

Cab drivers probably don't like Uber or Lyft, but neither are likely going away anytime soon. The reality is teams shoot a lot of threes - the impact is you have to be able to execute offensively and defensively on the perimeter full-time as a player. Not just occasionally. Guarding the perimeter is more important than rim protection.

Cabs are long twos and Uber/Lyft are efficient 3s. I like the comparison. But yeah, the guy was sarcastic, I’m pretty sure.

[Baseline81]

I have not listened to the podcast, but this is taken today from Canis Hoopus:

Lowe Post Podcast with Givony/Schmitz

-Talk of teams being petrified to pick at the top of the draft due to uncertainty of prospects is mostly by teams in the later half of the draft, among those teams in the Top 10, there is a lot of Excitement for LaMelo Ball
-Givony is aware of multiple trade offers to Minnesota for #1, and characterizes those as much better than you’d expect given the chatter of this draft class
-So far Minnesota is rebuffing these offer, and there is a second meeting coming with Lamelo in the next week, and Givony expects Minnesota to have a workout, and if it goes well, Minnesota is likely to shut down trade talks and just pick him and keep him.
-Thinks rumors of Ball’s interviews/workouts are B.S., doesn’t know where it’s coming from, feels like Ball is lightning rod, and criticism isn’t necessarily real.

Posted by Ebomb on Nov 9, 2020 | 2:54 PM

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[MN7725]

Dudes, Edwards is the pick. Even if KAT isn’t our center of the future. Idc about the center position, get a replacement lvl player like McGee or Zubac to play center, be strong at 2-4, like most elite teams rn are. Plus Edwards is awesome, he’s just super young. And if his family story is a mess, so what, turn it to our advantage, make him feel like the Wolves are his new family, just like Flip would make guys feel, that’s what you gotta do if you wanna be sure you’ll keep your stars as a smaller market franchise.

Edit: and if Edwards is a 77% ft shooter, he’s a great shooter in this league in a while. It’s 2020, guys learn how to jack up threes in a year or so. If we fail to get Edwards to good shooting percentages, it’s because we assigned an awful shooting coach to him and that is all.

I heard Jon Tjarks from Ringer say on recent podcast that college FT% and 3pt Attempts were the best indicators for a player's NBA 3pt effectiveness

I hadn't seen/heard that about attempts before (had heard FT%), but that would be good for Edwards

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I know they’re just media, but almost every single credible draft analyst out there has LaMelo #1 on their board and in a tier of his own.

Some base their views on their own analysis. Some on talking to NBA scouts. They could 100% be wrong but their is much more of a consensus amongst media than one would think given the rhetoric out there.

[Neeva]

Dudes, Edwards is the pick. Even if KAT isn’t our center of the future. Idc about the center position, get a replacement lvl player like McGee or Zubac to play center, be strong at 2-4, like most elite teams rn are. Plus Edwards is awesome, he’s just super young. And if his family story is a mess, so what, turn it to our advantage, make him feel like the Wolves are his new family, just like Flip would make guys feel, that’s what you gotta do if you wanna be sure you’ll keep your stars as a smaller market franchise.

Edit: and if Edwards is a 77% ft shooter, he’s a great shooter in this league in a while. It’s 2020, guys learn how to jack up threes in a year or so. If we fail to get Edwards to good shooting percentages, it’s because we assigned an awful shooting coach to him and that is all.

Agree people sour that Edwards shot 29 from three but they forget that Kawhi Leonard shot like 20 and 28 percent from three in his two college seasons and he played in a really weak conference.

[UnFadeable21]

Dudes, Edwards is the pick. Even if KAT isn’t our center of the future. Idc about the center position, get a replacement lvl player like McGee or Zubac to play center, be strong at 2-4, like most elite teams rn are. Plus Edwards is awesome, he’s just super young. And if his family story is a mess, so what, turn it to our advantage, make him feel like the Wolves are his new family, just like Flip would make guys feel, that’s what you gotta do if you wanna be sure you’ll keep your stars as a smaller market franchise.

Edit: and if Edwards is a 77% ft shooter, he’s a great shooter in this league in a while. It’s 2020, guys learn how to jack up threes in a year or so. If we fail to get Edwards to good shooting percentages, it’s because we assigned an awful shooting coach to him and that is all.

Agree people sour that Edwards shot 29 from three but they forget that Kawhi Leonard shot like 20 and 28 percent from three in his two college seasons and he played in a really weak league.

Kawhi was a hard worker. Edwards is not.

[KGdaBom]

18 years ago. That's the last time Robinson and Duncan played together. At that time the league average was 14.7 3-pt shots per team per game. Last season, the league averaged over 34 3-pt shots per team per game. The Wolves averaged just under 40 attempts per game. Like it or not, that's how the modern game is played.

I don't like it. We need to move the 3 back 6 feet or more or completely get rid of it.

Cab drivers probably don't like Uber or Lyft, but neither are likely going away anytime soon. The reality is teams shoot a lot of threes - the impact is you have to be able to execute offensively and defensively on the perimeter full-time as a player. Not just occasionally. Guarding the perimeter is more important than rim protection.

No it isn't. If you leave them wide open for a 3 they might make 50%. You leave them wide open at the rim they'll make very close to 100%.
The 3 point shot really does suck.

[KGdaBom]

I don't like it. We need to move the 3 back 6 feet or more or completely get rid of it.

Cab drivers probably don't like Uber or Lyft, but neither are likely going away anytime soon. The reality is teams shoot a lot of threes - the impact is you have to be able to execute offensively and defensively on the perimeter full-time as a player. Not just occasionally. Guarding the perimeter is more important than rim protection.

Cabs are long twos and Uber/Lyft are efficient 3s. I like the comparison. But yeah, the guy was sarcastic, I’m pretty sure.

Not sarcastic. The 3 point shot has ruined basketball. I find it very boring watching guys launch from distance. I'd much rather see them try to work it in close.

[Baseline81]

Other tidbits (from Lowe Post Podcast with Givony/Schmitz)

-Givony says the people he trusts the most say LaMelo is the obvious #1 & most talented player in the draft.
-Schmitz and Givony disagree on Edwards. Schmitz really likes the talent, Givony does as well but says he’s unlikely to reach his potential due to lack of work ethic and accountability.
-Neither likes Wiseman at the top.
-Schmitz says Hayes needs a situation set up for his success and will take time to get good. Combination of lack of shooting, lack of burst, and left hand worries him. Likes him overall. Givony says teams have no idea where he’s going, nobody knows a team who is in love with him. Chicago and Detroit like him. Might fall out of the lottery. Teams worry he was put in a situation that was too catered to him, and his league was unathletic.
-Teams are asking Lowe about what he’s hearing about Patrick Williams. Givony says he can see why people like him, but doesn’t have him top 10.
-Haliburton could go 4-8. Toppin will go 8 at the lowest, may go 4-5.
-Oklahoma City likes LaMelo. Givony thinks Shai is untouchable and might be worth more than the #1 pick, Lowe agrees but says some around the league think it’s the kind of move that makes sense if you think LaMelo’s a #1 (Shai’s close to signing likely max extension, maybe he’s only a #2 or #3 guy).
-Both Givony and Schmitz have Okongwu over Wiseman because of defensive versatility. Both think established teams (like Boston) might try to trade into the top 10 to get him.
-Givony thinks it should be Ball, Okongwu, Okoro top 3 (but doesn’t think there’s any way that happens.)

Posted by nja700 on Nov 9, 2020 | 4:20 PM

[KGdaBom]

I have not listened to the podcast, but this is taken today from Canis Hoopus:

Lowe Post Podcast with Givony/Schmitz

-Talk of teams being petrified to pick at the top of the draft due to uncertainty of prospects is mostly by teams in the later half of the draft, among those teams in the Top 10, there is a lot of Excitement for LaMelo Ball
-Givony is aware of multiple trade offers to Minnesota for #1, and characterizes those as much better than you’d expect given the chatter of this draft class
-So far Minnesota is rebuffing these offer, and there is a second meeting coming with Lamelo in the next week, and Givony expects Minnesota to have a workout, and if it goes well, Minnesota is likely to shut down trade talks and just pick him and keep him.
-Thinks rumors of Ball’s interviews/workouts are B.S., doesn’t know where it’s coming from, feels like Ball is lightning rod, and criticism isn’t necessarily real.

Posted by Ebomb on Nov 9, 2020 | 2:54 PM

Ball sucks and I sure hope we don't select him.

[urinesane]

18 years ago. That's the last time Robinson and Duncan played together. At that time the league average was 14.7 3-pt shots per team per game. Last season, the league averaged over 34 3-pt shots per team per game. The Wolves averaged just under 40 attempts per game. Like it or not, that's how the modern game is played.

I don't like it. We need to move the 3 back 6 feet or more or completely get rid of it.

Cab drivers probably don't like Uber or Lyft, but neither are likely going away anytime soon. The reality is teams shoot a lot of threes - the impact is you have to be able to execute offensively and defensively on the perimeter full-time as a player. Not just occasionally. Guarding the perimeter is more important than rim protection.

If you can't guard the rim, you sure as hell won't be able to guard the perimeter.

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Well if ESPN thinks so it must be true...

[Neeva]

I remember Pelton is one of the few “ draft experts” people that had Minnesota taking Jamal Murray over that bust Dunn.

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Well if ESPN thinks so it must be true...

ESPN, The Athletic, John Hollinger, Chad Ford Locked on Network, BballBreakdown

Just to name a few

[jpatrick]

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Well if ESPN thinks so it must be true...

ESPN, The Athletic, John Hollinger, Chad Ford Locked on Network, BballBreakdown

Just to name a few

Almost every draft analyst in the media: Givony, Schmitz, Pelton, Vecenie (Athletic), Hollinger, Ford, Wasserman (Bleacher), Duncan (Dunc’d On Pod), etc. has Ball #1. And most say he’s in his own tier, meaning there is a distinct gap between him and the next prospect.

Certainly doesn’t mean they’re right. But he is close to a consensus #1 according to the media “experts.”