2020 NBA Draft Prospects: Thread II

[Jedzz]

Multiple front offices were somewhat discouraged watching Edwards' performance during his televised pro day on Oct. 29, seeing sluggishness and inconsistencies with his jump shot. Tyrese Maxey, who showed up in outstanding condition and shot the ball better than expected, might have caused Edwards to look a bit worse by comparison, according to some executives. While many around the NBA are enamored with Edwards' talent, a lack of trust in his likelihood of reaching his full potential is still often cited a hurdle he has to overcome. Whether it's fair or not, his pro day didn't help his case there.



I’m an elite NBA mind. I posted last week the Edwards full workout and said the same thing Pro scouts said today.

Edwards shot was not consistent and his workout was not impressive. He was gassed out.

Remind me the last time anyone cared how these players shoot in practice compared to how they shoot in games. I mean it probably isn't a good sign if they can't even hit shots or look clean and controlled in workouts. But those making them in workouts aren't locks to do it in the NBA games.

However these players do seem to be proving they shouldn't be top 3 picks if you ask me. Trade it for a snowcone.

Edwards can’t make shots in an open gym and he can’t make them in the game 29% from 3, 40% from 2.

Edwards has high ceiling but dude is kinda slow but can’t really blame him.

His dad left his family, his mom and gma died so he’s never had guidance in his life. Once he becomes multi millionaire, is he gonna change for the better?

His coach Tom Creen said for him to succeed in the NBA, he’s going to need a lot of veteran mentors and good coaching.

Wolves don’t have any veterans and our coach sucks.

Looks like a recipe for disaster

Dion Waiters 2.0

Spurs or OKC, Denver? None of the teams drafting up top. MJ personal coaching?

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Well if ESPN thinks so it must be true...

ESPN, The Athletic, John Hollinger, Chad Ford Locked on Network, BballBreakdown

Just to name a few

And many many others who disagree.

[younggunsmn]

Well if ESPN thinks so it must be true...

ESPN, The Athletic, John Hollinger, Chad Ford Locked on Network, BballBreakdown

Just to name a few

And many many others who disagree.

BSPN has been pushing Ball to MN for more than 2 months trying to push us into taking him.
They want Wiseman in Golden State with Steph and Klay.
Then in same article Givony says trade up offers for 1 are a lot better than you would think.

Golden State smokescreening about everyone but Wiseman. Read between the lines.

If we take Ball for ourselves at one It will be a total disaster, but it would be a classic Timberwolves thing to do.

To me Edwards is 75% chance Lance Stephenson/Tyrek Evans/Dion Waiters, 5% chance Dwayne Wade, 20% chance in between.
Broken shot and poor BBIQ. I'm not seeing the upside some of the talking heads see.

[jpatrick]

ESPN, The Athletic, John Hollinger, Chad Ford Locked on Network, BballBreakdown

Just to name a few

And many many others who disagree.

BSPN has been pushing Ball to MN for more than 2 months trying to push us into taking him.
They want Wiseman in Golden State with Steph and Klay.
Then in same article Givony says trade up offers for 1 are a lot better than you would think.

Golden State smokescreening about everyone but Wiseman. Read between the lines.

If we take Ball for ourselves at one It will be a total disaster, but it would be a classic Timberwolves thing to do.

To me Edwards is 75% chance Lance Stephenson/Tyrek Evans/Dion Waiters, 5% chance Dwayne Wade, 20% chance in between.
Broken shot and poor BBIQ. I'm not seeing the upside some of the talking heads see.

So the conspiracy is ESPN, Bleacher Report, The Athletic, Dunc’d on Podcast (Nate Duncan), and Chad Ford, all of which have Ball in his own tier? Hmmmmm.....

Really the only National draft guy that has someone above Ball is Kevin O’Connor from the Ringer, who has Killian Hayes #1.

[younggunsmn]

I don't like it. We need to move the 3 back 6 feet or more or completely get rid of it.

Cab drivers probably don't like Uber or Lyft, but neither are likely going away anytime soon. The reality is teams shoot a lot of threes - the impact is you have to be able to execute offensively and defensively on the perimeter full-time as a player. Not just occasionally. Guarding the perimeter is more important than rim protection.

No it isn't. If you leave them wide open for a 3 they might make 50%. You leave them wide open at the rim they'll make very close to 100%.
The 3 point shot really does suck.

I agree I don't like the current meta, I don't agree about the 3 point shot.
I think you have to hand it to players, in that they have gotten a great deal better in making them over the past 20 years.
If they weren't, it would make it less efficient and teams wouldnt be shooting so many.
It used to be you had one maybe 2 guys you'd trust shooting, now if you dont have 4 you're at a disadvantage.
Teams have become much more adept at spacing and shooting, and those are good things.

If you move the line back 3 feet, you will only succeed in making the game uglier with more missed shots.
To me the game is becoming unwatchable (and big men becoming less useful) because of the way the game is officiated, where defensive players can't be physical at all but offensive players can truck anyone they want.

That game last year against the bucks where Giannis trucked over one of our guys full speed like 5 times without a charge call was one of the most frustrating experiences I've had watching an NBA game.
It's turned into a league that cares more about narrative and less and less about fair play. It's turning into pro wrestling.
Maybe it's always been that way and I'm just a fool to think our mid market cold weather team will ever have a chance.

[younggunsmn]

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[UnFadeable21]

Well if ESPN thinks so it must be true...

ESPN, The Athletic, John Hollinger, Chad Ford Locked on Network, BballBreakdown

Just to name a few

And many many others who disagree.

Like who?

[younggunsmn]

And many many others who disagree.

BSPN has been pushing Ball to MN for more than 2 months trying to push us into taking him.
They want Wiseman in Golden State with Steph and Klay.
Then in same article Givony says trade up offers for 1 are a lot better than you would think.

Golden State smokescreening about everyone but Wiseman. Read between the lines.

If we take Ball for ourselves at one It will be a total disaster, but it would be a classic Timberwolves thing to do.

To me Edwards is 75% chance Lance Stephenson/Tyrek Evans/Dion Waiters, 5% chance Dwayne Wade, 20% chance in between.
Broken shot and poor BBIQ. I'm not seeing the upside some of the talking heads see.

So the conspiracy is ESPN, Bleacher Report, The Athletic, Dunc’d on Podcast (Nate Duncan), and Chad Ford, all of which have Ball in his own tier? Hmmmmm.....

Really the only National draft guy that has someone above Ball is Kevin O’Connor from the Ringer, who has Killian Hayes #1.

The Athletic has a writer in every market. be more specific. ESPN has billions of $ on the line, you think they don't have an incentive to build more superteams after their finals ratings crashed by half? Givony and Schmitz used to be reliable guys when they ran their own business. They are the laser techs on the Death Star now.

There are hundreds of basketball writers. Bleacher report is basically fan fiction.
Schmitz also said in one video that Wiseman was one of the most physically talented big men he had ever evaluated.
Doogie has tweeted he doesn't see Ball/Russell fitting and that Wiseman may be the most talented/highest ceiling.

I'm just a fan, I can just look at the tape and metrics. And after looking at them I've come to the conclusion that Ball is awful and Wiseman is at the very worst going to be the healthy version of Clint Capela, and at best he could be better than KAT and on the same tier as anthony davis. I really feel Ball will struggle to even have a career as good as Ricky Rubio.

[jpatrick]

BSPN has been pushing Ball to MN for more than 2 months trying to push us into taking him.
They want Wiseman in Golden State with Steph and Klay.
Then in same article Givony says trade up offers for 1 are a lot better than you would think.

Golden State smokescreening about everyone but Wiseman. Read between the lines.

If we take Ball for ourselves at one It will be a total disaster, but it would be a classic Timberwolves thing to do.

To me Edwards is 75% chance Lance Stephenson/Tyrek Evans/Dion Waiters, 5% chance Dwayne Wade, 20% chance in between.
Broken shot and poor BBIQ. I'm not seeing the upside some of the talking heads see.

So the conspiracy is ESPN, Bleacher Report, The Athletic, Dunc’d on Podcast (Nate Duncan), and Chad Ford, all of which have Ball in his own tier? Hmmmmm.....

Really the only National draft guy that has someone above Ball is Kevin O’Connor from the Ringer, who has Killian Hayes #1.

The Athletic has a writer in every market. be more specific. ESPN has billions of $ on the line, you think they don't have an incentive to build more superteams after their finals ratings crashed by half? Givony and Schmitz used to be reliable guys when they ran their own business. They are the laser techs on the Death Star now.

There are hundreds of basketball writers. Bleacher report is basically fan fiction.
Schmitz also said in one video that Wiseman was one of the most physically talented big men he had ever evaluated.
Doogie has tweeted he doesn't see Ball/Russell fitting and that Wiseman may be the most talented/highest ceiling.

I'm just a fan, I can just look at the tape and metrics. And after looking at them I've come to the conclusion that Ball is awful and Wiseman is at the very worst going to be the healthy version of Clint Capela, and at best he could be better than KAT and on the same tier as anthony davis. I really feel Ball will struggle to even have a career as good as Ricky Rubio.

The national Athletic NBA draft writer is Sam Vecinie, who has been covering the draft for a long time. Same for Jonathan Wasserman at Bleacher. All the guys I listed not only write but they have podcasts. They are certainly worth a listen.

They could certainly be wrong but the national media draft guys almost universally see Ball as the #1 guy. I’ve watched all of Ball’s NBL games. I think he’s the best guy in this draft but I won’t be mad if we trade down or pass only because the fit is not ideal. But I don’t think any of the top 3 guys are good fits.

[Jedzz]

ESPN, The Athletic, John Hollinger, Chad Ford Locked on Network, BballBreakdown

Just to name a few

And many many others who disagree.

BSPN has been pushing Ball to MN for more than 2 months trying to push us into taking him.
They want Wiseman in Golden State with Steph and Klay.
Then in same article Givony says trade up offers for 1 are a lot better than you would think.

Golden State smokescreening about everyone but Wiseman. Read between the lines.

If we take Ball for ourselves at one It will be a total disaster, but it would be a classic Timberwolves thing to do.

To me Edwards is 75% chance Lance Stephenson/Tyrek Evans/Dion Waiters, 5% chance Dwayne Wade, 20% chance in between.
Broken shot and poor BBIQ. I'm not seeing the upside some of the talking heads see.

You hit the nail on the head. They want MN to take the biggest risk project and they want the prizes in their larger markets either east or west. When was the last time ESPN spent even 5 solid minutes talking about the Timberwolves. A: Never. Big Timberwolves news? 3 minutes if that. Back to our backyard teams rest of day. This draft, top #1 overall, on draft day I give it ten minutes they might discuss anything real about Timberwolves team itself. I would be surprised if any of them know anything real about the roster outside of Dlo because of who he once played for. Warriors have even smoked screened about players projected at 6, 7, 8 in case any teams are getting comfortable with the idea of those players. Warriors aren't messing around.

I don't know what people are smoking on Ball but many are sold lock and stock on him. Our own Klomp severely wants him, another Mod has really pushed as well. I don't know what they see that I don't but if he ends up a stud out of the gates I'll be eating crow for a year and then some.

[Neeva]

Ball is what gives them clicks. They want clicks.
Maybe they know something though, and want Ball with the wolves. Like maybe they know the wolves next owner is moving them to a more attractive market?

[Jedzz]

Ball is what gives them clicks. They want clicks.
Maybe they know something though, and want Ball with the wolves. Like maybe they know the wolves next owner is moving them to a more attractive market?

Obviously Las Pozo de Arena Ching$ Ching$ Ching$

[KGdaBom]

And many many others who disagree.

BSPN has been pushing Ball to MN for more than 2 months trying to push us into taking him.
They want Wiseman in Golden State with Steph and Klay.
Then in same article Givony says trade up offers for 1 are a lot better than you would think.

Golden State smokescreening about everyone but Wiseman. Read between the lines.

If we take Ball for ourselves at one It will be a total disaster, but it would be a classic Timberwolves thing to do.

To me Edwards is 75% chance Lance Stephenson/Tyrek Evans/Dion Waiters, 5% chance Dwayne Wade, 20% chance in between.
Broken shot and poor BBIQ. I'm not seeing the upside some of the talking heads see.

So the conspiracy is ESPN, Bleacher Report, The Athletic, Dunc’d on Podcast (Nate Duncan), and Chad Ford, all of which have Ball in his own tier? Hmmmmm.....

Really the only National draft guy that has someone above Ball is Kevin O’Connor from the Ringer, who has Killian Hayes #1.

It's not a conspiracy. They're just all wrong. They have their right to be wrong.

[KGdaBom]

ESPN, The Athletic, John Hollinger, Chad Ford Locked on Network, BballBreakdown

Just to name a few

And many many others who disagree.

Like who?

I've listened to and read a hundred.

[Slim Tubby]

BSPN has been pushing Ball to MN for more than 2 months trying to push us into taking him.
They want Wiseman in Golden State with Steph and Klay.
Then in same article Givony says trade up offers for 1 are a lot better than you would think.

Golden State smokescreening about everyone but Wiseman. Read between the lines.

If we take Ball for ourselves at one It will be a total disaster, but it would be a classic Timberwolves thing to do.

To me Edwards is 75% chance Lance Stephenson/Tyrek Evans/Dion Waiters, 5% chance Dwayne Wade, 20% chance in between.
Broken shot and poor BBIQ. I'm not seeing the upside some of the talking heads see.

So the conspiracy is ESPN, Bleacher Report, The Athletic, Dunc’d on Podcast (Nate Duncan), and Chad Ford, all of which have Ball in his own tier? Hmmmmm.....

Really the only National draft guy that has someone above Ball is Kevin O’Connor from the Ringer, who has Killian Hayes #1.

The Athletic has a writer in every market. be more specific. ESPN has billions of $ on the line, you think they don't have an incentive to build more superteams after their finals ratings crashed by half? Givony and Schmitz used to be reliable guys when they ran their own business. They are the laser techs on the Death Star now.

There are hundreds of basketball writers. Bleacher report is basically fan fiction.
Schmitz also said in one video that Wiseman was one of the most physically talented big men he had ever evaluated.
Doogie has tweeted he doesn't see Ball/Russell fitting and that Wiseman may be the most talented/highest ceiling.

I'm just a fan, I can just look at the tape and metrics. And after looking at them I've come to the conclusion that Ball is awful and Wiseman is at the very worst going to be the healthy version of Clint Capela, and at best he could be better than KAT and on the same tier as anthony davis. I really feel Ball will struggle to even have a career as good as Ricky Rubio.

Finally...someone says how a lot of us feel about the talking heads who get paid to spew out their opinions. Fun for rumor mongering but worthless crap nonetheless. Just leave all the speculation to the real experts...fans, like all of us on these boards, that pay to support our favorite teams.


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[KGdaBom]

So the conspiracy is ESPN, Bleacher Report, The Athletic, Dunc’d on Podcast (Nate Duncan), and Chad Ford, all of which have Ball in his own tier? Hmmmmm.....

Really the only National draft guy that has someone above Ball is Kevin O’Connor from the Ringer, who has Killian Hayes #1.

The Athletic has a writer in every market. be more specific. ESPN has billions of $ on the line, you think they don't have an incentive to build more superteams after their finals ratings crashed by half? Givony and Schmitz used to be reliable guys when they ran their own business. They are the laser techs on the Death Star now.

There are hundreds of basketball writers. Bleacher report is basically fan fiction.
Schmitz also said in one video that Wiseman was one of the most physically talented big men he had ever evaluated.
Doogie has tweeted he doesn't see Ball/Russell fitting and that Wiseman may be the most talented/highest ceiling.

I'm just a fan, I can just look at the tape and metrics. And after looking at them I've come to the conclusion that Ball is awful and Wiseman is at the very worst going to be the healthy version of Clint Capela, and at best he could be better than KAT and on the same tier as anthony davis. I really feel Ball will struggle to even have a career as good as Ricky Rubio.

Finally...someone says how a lot of us feel about the talking heads who get paid to spew out their opinions. Fun for rumor mongering but worthless crap nonetheless. Just leave all the speculation to the real experts...fans, like all of us on these boards, that pay to support our favorite teams.


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+100

[urinesane]

You always have to look at who has skin in the game.

None of these media people have any incentive to be accurate, they're 100% motivated by clicks and eyes. Which means they will create whatever narrative gets the most views, not what is most accurate. They also are NEVER held accountable for being wrong when it comes to draft analysis. The people that actually don't suck at it end up getting jobs doing it for NBA teams, the ones that suck at it are the "have covered the draft for a long time" guys.

The problem is, you only get smoke screens from the people actually qualified to assess these players and what teams are actually looking to do. The talking heads are simply there to create crap for us to sift through and be used as puppets to push false narratives via "sources close to the team etc".

If Wiseman had played more than 3 games in college he'd be the consensus #1 pick easily. That doesn't get people to argue though... now pushing a polarizing player like Ball as the #1 pick NOW THAT GETS CLICKS BABY!

Don't be a rube, decide for yourself based on what YOU SEE, not what you hear from sports writers. The media isn't there to be accurate, they just want to sell ads.

[urinesane]

BSPN has been pushing Ball to MN for more than 2 months trying to push us into taking him.
They want Wiseman in Golden State with Steph and Klay.
Then in same article Givony says trade up offers for 1 are a lot better than you would think.

Golden State smokescreening about everyone but Wiseman. Read between the lines.

If we take Ball for ourselves at one It will be a total disaster, but it would be a classic Timberwolves thing to do.

To me Edwards is 75% chance Lance Stephenson/Tyrek Evans/Dion Waiters, 5% chance Dwayne Wade, 20% chance in between.
Broken shot and poor BBIQ. I'm not seeing the upside some of the talking heads see.

So the conspiracy is ESPN, Bleacher Report, The Athletic, Dunc’d on Podcast (Nate Duncan), and Chad Ford, all of which have Ball in his own tier? Hmmmmm.....

Really the only National draft guy that has someone above Ball is Kevin O’Connor from the Ringer, who has Killian Hayes #1.

The Athletic has a writer in every market. be more specific. ESPN has billions of $ on the line, you think they don't have an incentive to build more superteams after their finals ratings crashed by half? Givony and Schmitz used to be reliable guys when they ran their own business. They are the laser techs on the Death Star now.

There are hundreds of basketball writers. Bleacher report is basically fan fiction.
Schmitz also said in one video that Wiseman was one of the most physically talented big men he had ever evaluated.
Doogie has tweeted he doesn't see Ball/Russell fitting and that Wiseman may be the most talented/highest ceiling.

I'm just a fan, I can just look at the tape and metrics. And after looking at them I've come to the conclusion that Ball is awful and Wiseman is at the very worst going to be the healthy version of Clint Capela, and at best he could be better than KAT and on the same tier as anthony davis. I really feel Ball will struggle to even have a career as good as Ricky Rubio.

Also, post more often please.

[urinesane]

Well if ESPN thinks so it must be true...

ESPN, The Athletic, John Hollinger, Chad Ford Locked on Network, BballBreakdown

Just to name a few

Almost every draft analyst in the media: Givony, Schmitz, Pelton, Vecenie (Athletic), Hollinger, Ford, Wasserman (Bleacher), Duncan (Dunc’d On Pod), etc. has Ball #1. And most say he’s in his own tier, meaning there is a distinct gap between him and the next prospect.

Certainly doesn’t mean they’re right. But he is close to a consensus #1 according to the media “experts.”

Please tell me what the media are experts on... is it talent evaluation or getting us to argue?

[Wolveswin]

Let’s do it. KAT isn’t a championship caliber center in this league and it isn’t close. What’s better than 1 7 foot ball handling stud that runs the court, hits free throws at a high clip, can step out and hit 3s? 2 of those. Except this one can protect the rim


Modern day twin towers...lezzgo

Wiseman has been my ask from the beginning. This is why. You shaped it up so well. Small ball be dammed. We are going Towns and Wiseman on the league. Worked for Robinson and Duncan.

18 years ago. That's the last time Robinson and Duncan played together. At that time the league average was 14.7 3-pt shots per team per game. Last season, the league averaged over 34 3-pt shots per team per game. The Wolves averaged just under 40 attempts per game. Like it or not, that's how the modern game is played.

Thanks for the walk down memory lane. Good thing is, Wolves have on roster already, the most lethal 3 point shooting big man ever. KAT will average close to 10x 3’s per game himself with Wiseman on his side.

Wiseman will be groomed to become a defensive version of KAT. Maybe never the true 3pt shooting of KAT, but like so many big man now, his game will evolve to beyond the arc.

When Warriors drafted Klay, people laughed. Warriors had shooting already in Curry. And they changed the league. Formed the splash brothers.

Draft Wiseman. Pair him with Towns. Form the splash twin towers. Or from downtown towers. But at whatever cost, don’t let conformity dictate a terrible franchise killing move — not drafting Wiseman.