2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2

[Dalek]

I really really would love to snatch TJ warren. But the bubble superstar is probably not going to get let go.

His contract and production is way too good.

Kelly Oubre Jr is another candidate I want to check out.

I think 'Bubble TJ' kills any trade option. His value is at its peak right now and is probably the main reason they are entertaining ideas that they can give up Dipo.

Oubre Jr. is a guy I would push hard for. Phoenix has a history of blundering away their talent because their ownership is so cheap and many people project him for a decent payday in 2021. He makes $15m so he isn't cheap. I'd expect him to be in the $20m range in 2021.

For a deal to work it would likely be around Norman Powell and Pat McCaw. Powell has a decent contract and good production and it goes for a couple years so that is hard to give up. Unless you think Oubre is better and I do considering he is 25, 6'7" and scored 18 PPG on decent percentages. Powell is older and smaller but he has a good contract and Championship experience.

[billy_hoyle]

It's a sound trade. It transforms Norm (an expiring who is almost certainly leaving at the end of this season) into a solid 2-way big who can shoot that also has a great contract spanning after 2021, i.e., precisely when we will be most likely unable to afford to a big that good if we've allocated a max to Giannis, on a team with Siakam, Fred, and OG.

The reason for Dallas to make this deal would be to upgrade their horrendous backcourt defense with Norm. He'd be their starting SG.

Did you watch Kleber play against the Clippers? He was easily the worst player on the court, and cost the Mavericks a chance at the upset (the Porzingas and Luka injuries didn't help).

He's a decent shooting big, but he's dreadful defensively. Why do we want that? If we lose Norm, we lose Norm, so be it. If that happens it's because we actually got Giannis.

If we are trading Norm, we should be moving him for a draft pick. And if we are doing that, and clearing cap, might as well trade Lowry while we're at it. By your logic we need to cash guys in, especially those we will certainly lose next summer. Heck Lowry ain't getting any younger.

[LoveMyRaps]

I'd trade Powell for Bertans. Straight up.

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[fbalmeida]

It's a sound trade. It transforms Norm (an expiring who is almost certainly leaving at the end of this season) into a solid 2-way big who can shoot that also has a great contract spanning after 2021, i.e., precisely when we will be most likely unable to afford to a big that good if we've allocated a max to Giannis, on a team with Siakam, Fred, and OG.

The reason for Dallas to make this deal would be to upgrade their horrendous backcourt defense with Norm. He'd be their starting SG.

Did you watch Kleber play against the Clippers? He was easily the worst player on the court, and cost the Mavericks a chance at the upset (the Porzingas and Luka injuries didn't help).

He's a decent shooting big, but he's dreadful defensively. Why do we want that? If we lose Norm, we lose Norm, so be it. If that happens it's because we actually got Giannis.

If we are trading Norm, we should be moving him for a draft pick. And if we are doing that, and clearing cap, might as well trade Lowry while we're at it. By your logic we need to cash guys in, especially those we will certainly lose next summer. Heck Lowry ain't getting any younger.

Kleber was certainly a dud offensively against the Clippers, particularly in games 1-4. He was 1-16 from 3pt. In games 5 and 6 he brought it back to 4-10. At any rate, he was a reliable all-purpose defender all year round. I'm confident Nurse and co. would integrate him well into a Brook Lopez type "swat and spacing" role.

While my preference would be to trade Norm for a big with a contract spanning past 2021 on less than 10 M, I agree that the best alternative would be to deal him for a pick, high enough to land a guard like Maledon.

[TheAlchemist]

I really really would love to snatch TJ warren. But the bubble superstar is probably not going to get let go.

His contract and production is way too good.

Kelly Oubre Jr is another candidate I want to check out.

I think 'Bubble TJ' kills any trade option. His value is at its peak right now and is probably the main reason they are entertaining ideas that they can give up Dipo.

Oubre Jr. is a guy I would push hard for. Phoenix has a history of blundering away their talent because their ownership is so cheap and many people project him for a decent payday in 2021. He makes $15m so he isn't cheap. I'd expect him to be in the $20m range in 2021.

For a deal to work it would likely be around Norman Powell and Pat McCaw. Powell has a decent contract and good production and it goes for a couple years so that is hard to give up. Unless you think Oubre is better and I do considering he is 25, 6'7" and scored 18 PPG on decent percentages. Powell is older and smaller but he has a good contract and Championship experience.

Yeah definitely a Powell trade. Maybe, maybeee pushing a Davis + value like Booshay and second round picks, which would be a steal considering Davis aint staying here for long.

An front court of Siakam - OG - Oubre would be wild.

[TheAlchemist]

I'd trade Powell for Bertans. Straight up.

I'm pretty sure anyone would.

[LoveMyRaps]

I'd trade Powell for Bertans. Straight up.

I'm pretty sure anyone would.

lmaoo. Value wise its a fair deal but the Wizards really have no need for Powell. They should swap Bertans with Turner

[YelloC]

If Houston ends up blowing it up, I wouldn’t mind picking up PJ Tucker.

[fbalmeida]

I'd definitely prefer Covington.

[LoveMyRaps]

I'd definitely prefer Covington.

Ibaka S&T swap.

[Asif16]

Ibaka S&T honestly seems likelier by the day. Assuming we give FVV the money he wants or close to it, Ibaka is just going to be out of our price range, assuming we want to keep flexibility open for next off-season

S&T to Houston for Robert Covington would be a great idea.
S&T to Brooklyn for Spencer Dinwiddie + Picks would be another

[Asif16]

Raptors badly need another guard who can create his shot and create off the dribble. That was one of their main weaknesses against boston in the Playoffs. They were heavily Reliant on Lowry and FVV as the only guards to create. Norman Powell was too inconsistent. OG is still mostly a 3 + D player. Terence Davis never got enough playing time. Matt Thomas is really just a sniper.

Spencer Dinwiddie would make a lot of sense for this team in a potential S&T for Ibaka

[Asif16]

1. Re-Sign FVV 4yrs/95Mill.
2. S&T Ibaka for Spencer Dinwiddie + 2nd rd pick
3. Sign Tristan Thompson for MLE
4. Re-Sign Gasol for Vet Min (If he chooses to come back).
5. Re-Sign Chris Boucher
6. Let RHJ Walk

Lowry / Dinwiddie
FVV / T. Davis
OG / N. Powell
Siakam / Boucher
Thompson / Gasol

[fbalmeida]

I must confess that using Ibaka as a sign-and-trade piece is an option I hadn't yet contemplated.

The key to that, as with everything else we do this offseason, is that whatever we get back can only add a maximum of 8-10-12 M-ish to our 2021 cap hit. So basically, it means we can move Ibaka for an expiring on an equal salary, or a player with a contract spanning past 2021 that is no greater than that mid-range value of 8-10-12 M.

Ibaka is likely considering signing for the 20-something range. I don't think it would make sense to trade Ibaka straight up for another expiring big: big for big, we're better off with Serge. So considering possible returns in the form of "bigs or wings on lesser contracts that go past 2021", or expiring wings, we could, theoretically, deal Serge for:

DeRozan
Oladipo
Tim Hardaway
Fournier
Oubre
Dejounte Murray
Robert Covington
Dinwiddie
Dillon Brooks
Dwight Powell
Kleber
RJ Barrett

It might not make sense to contemplate landing available UFAs in a sign-and-trade for Ibaka, because, again, a sign-and-trade is a 3 year minimum, which means the returning contract could be no higher than 8-10-12 M per year (to retain our max slot). We'd probably be better off maximizing our return by dealing Ibaka elsewhere for picks, and signing the desired UFA's directly. But it's also an option to try to land a guy like Bertrans, Gallo, Giles, Len, or Harris, on lean mid-range value 3 year deals.

As things currently stand, the often mentioned Jrue Holiday simply doesn't work. He has a player option of 27 M in 2022 that he's most certainly going to pick up. That means we'd keep Jrue for another year, but go without a max slot for Giannis. If we really want Jrue, we'd have to surrender Lowry for him, and not Ibaka. I'd obviously decline.

[Asif16]

Ibaka S&T for Eric Grodon?

Or is Gordon's salary too high?

[douggood]

Ibaka S&T for Eric Grodon?

Or is Gordon's salary too high?

its too long, 4 years, last year not guaranteed.

[Asif16]

Ibaka S&T for Eric Grodon?

Or is Gordon's salary too high?

its too long, 4 years, last year not guaranteed.

Fair enough. What about Covington?

[douggood]

Ibaka S&T for Eric Grodon?

Or is Gordon's salary too high?

its too long, 4 years, last year not guaranteed.

Fair enough. What about Covington?

covingtons value is higher than ibaka, remember covington was essentially traded for 2 first round picks by Minnesota.
houstons 1st rounder (which they flipped to denver for beasley/hernangomez) plus bkn first rounder (from atl)

from houstons point of view(morey) they valued covington = capela + 1st round pick.

[fbalmeida]

Ibaka S&T for Eric Grodon?

Or is Gordon's salary too high?

I think Gordon may be too high.

But yeah at 18 M it's a pretty tough contract to square with a max slot.