2020 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 -- (8PM, Wed, Nov. 18, ESPN)

[BostonCouchGM]

I think Nesmith's shooting is legit. Only 14 games but some serious volume and variety of makes (not just standing in the corner). Great size, very quick, athletic and moves really well without the ball (something this team severly lacks on offense). His defense is garbage tier. Barely 1 assist per game while playing 36 mpg. Basically a true SG.

I think so too I just think he does nothing else but provide shooting which is why I doubt he's on the Celtics radar.

Umm shooting is pretty important, and he has great length and good athleticism, he is 6'6 and is always in motion, honestly he is not as good, but his game reminds me of Ray Allen the way he uses screens and runs all over the court. I guess another comp would be a very rich mans Duncan Robinson. I would love for us to take him at 14. He has the potential to be something more then a good starter, almost nobody else we are looking at there does. If the guys who look like its 50'50 they will be there at 14 he is my #1, he could be an all star, shooting with good size is rare.

this is nuts because I was just watching clips and came here to post this exact thing! A cross between Allen and Klay. I think Nesmith is better than any of the similar SGs taken so high in last year's draft (Barrett, Hunter, Culver, Langford and Herro) and should be easily the first SG taken in this draft now that Vassell's shot is so jacked. He's risen up my board big time. I think his supposed weakness are overblown except for his playmaking but that's something that can be improved over time to an extent. I think he'll be able to guard most 2s and some 3s. Maybe he won't be elite on defense but he won't be a liability either. I really can't imagine how he'd fall to us at #14. Sadly, Danny likely think we're all set at SG so wouldn't take him if he does fall.

[themoneyteam2]

I think Nesmith's shooting is legit. Only 14 games but some serious volume and variety of makes (not just standing in the corner). Great size, very quick, athletic and moves really well without the ball (something this team severly lacks on offense). His defense is garbage tier. Barely 1 assist per game while playing 36 mpg. Basically a true SG.

I think so too I just think he does nothing else but provide shooting which is why I doubt he's on the Celtics radar.

Umm shooting is pretty important, and he has great length and good athleticism, he is 6'6 and is always in motion, honestly he is not as good, but his game reminds me of Ray Allen the way he uses screens and runs all over the court. I guess another comp would be a very rich mans Duncan Robinson. I would love for us to take him at 14. He has the potential to be something more then a good starter, almost nobody else we are looking at there does. If the guys who look like its 50'50 they will be there at 14 he is my #1, he could be an all star, shooting with good size is rare.

Shooting is important no doubt but when that’s your only skill you better be damn sure elite at it or you’re outta the league. Obviously you’d love to have Duncan Robinson but they don’t grow on trees.

My point was more so that Nesmith does next to nothing outside of his shooting which is a bit concerning, no?

[themoneyteam2]

I think so too I just think he does nothing else but provide shooting which is why I doubt he's on the Celtics radar.

Umm shooting is pretty important, and he has great length and good athleticism, he is 6'6 and is always in motion, honestly he is not as good, but his game reminds me of Ray Allen the way he uses screens and runs all over the court. I guess another comp would be a very rich mans Duncan Robinson. I would love for us to take him at 14. He has the potential to be something more then a good starter, almost nobody else we are looking at there does. If the guys who look like its 50'50 they will be there at 14 he is my #1, he could be an all star, shooting with good size is rare.

this is nuts because I was just watching clips and came here to post this exact thing! A cross between Allen and Klay. I think Nesmith is better than any of the similar SGs taken so high in last year's draft (Barrett, Hunter, Culver, Langford and Herro) and should be easily the first SG taken in this draft now that Vassell's shot is so jacked. He's risen up my board big time. I think his supposed weakness are overblown except for his playmaking but that's something that can be improved over time to an extent. I think he'll be able to guard most 2s and some 3s. Maybe he won't be elite on defense but he won't be a liability either. I really can't imagine how he'd fall to us at #14. Sadly, Danny likely think we're all set at SG so wouldn't take him if he does fall.

Danny wouldn’t take him at 14 because he doesn’t like him, not because he thinks we’re all set SG.

Your narratives are hilarious though keep it up champ!

[Floody100]

I’d be happy if we took Nesmith at 14. Would like to see him work on a quicker release though.

[playa-hater]

A player like Nesmith is Far more valuable to a team if that current team happens to have At least 1 Star player who will draw many double teams. The fact that Boston has players like Tatum , Brown, Walker, Means that a player like NE Smith becomes even more valuable so teams do not double up on Boston's star players.

I also believe he has very good defensive potential because of his length. Hes also a better athlete than people are giving him credit for. Creativity is one thing but far more important then that is how he fits in with his team.

The fact is hes been rumored to go to quite a few teams before Boston's 14 pic anyhow. that a alone should tell you something about the value that his shooting and potential defense has

[Spin Move]

Picks I love at 14
Killian Hayes or Devin Vassel, there is some talk each might drop, trading up to get a guy danny loves.
Picks I really like at 14
Aaron Nesmith
Picks I am good with at 14
Kira Lewis, Jalen Smith, Precious Achiwu, Cole Anthony, Terry
Picks I dislike at 14 but don't hate
Saddiq Bey, Tyrese Maxey, Aleksej Pokusevski (Though I think long and hard about him later)
Picks I hate at 14
RJ Hampton, yes he is athletic but so is cassius stanley who is the exact same height and a 2nd round pick, he is a combo gaurd not a point and is not a good passer, shooter or defender at this point, fine drafting guys who need to improve alot in one area early, but not 3, if he is there at 26 different story, I think he is a bust.

[Spin Move]

I think so too I just think he does nothing else but provide shooting which is why I doubt he's on the Celtics radar.

Umm shooting is pretty important, and he has great length and good athleticism, he is 6'6 and is always in motion, honestly he is not as good, but his game reminds me of Ray Allen the way he uses screens and runs all over the court. I guess another comp would be a very rich mans Duncan Robinson. I would love for us to take him at 14. He has the potential to be something more then a good starter, almost nobody else we are looking at there does. If the guys who look like its 50'50 they will be there at 14 he is my #1, he could be an all star, shooting with good size is rare.

Shooting is important no doubt but when that’s your only skill you better be damn sure elite at it or you’re outta the league. Obviously you’d love to have Duncan Robinson but they don’t grow on trees.

My point was more so that Nesmith does next to nothing outside of his shooting which is a bit concerning, no?

He is a good rebounder for an SG and had 1.4 steals a game, that is not nothing, he is only elite at 1 thing, but if your only going to be elite at 1 thing in basketbally shooting is the thing to be elite at. He took 4.5 ft's a game and took 6 2's a game, he is a decent stright line driver like Jaylen. Again he does things, his shooting is just why your their, Cheescake Factory has great bread, but your their to stuff your fat face with the Cheesecake so nobody talks about it.

[Floody100]

Rj Hampton feels like Dante Exum 2.0

[b3n]

I think so too I just think he does nothing else but provide shooting which is why I doubt he's on the Celtics radar.

Umm shooting is pretty important, and he has great length and good athleticism, he is 6'6 and is always in motion, honestly he is not as good, but his game reminds me of Ray Allen the way he uses screens and runs all over the court. I guess another comp would be a very rich mans Duncan Robinson. I would love for us to take him at 14. He has the potential to be something more then a good starter, almost nobody else we are looking at there does. If the guys who look like its 50'50 they will be there at 14 he is my #1, he could be an all star, shooting with good size is rare.

this is nuts because I was just watching clips and came here to post this exact thing! A cross between Allen and Klay. I think Nesmith is better than any of the similar SGs taken so high in last year's draft (Barrett, Hunter, Culver, Langford and Herro) and should be easily the first SG taken in this draft now that Vassell's shot is so jacked. He's risen up my board big time. I think his supposed weakness are overblown except for his playmaking but that's something that can be improved over time to an extent. I think he'll be able to guard most 2s and some 3s. Maybe he won't be elite on defense but he won't be a liability either. I really can't imagine how he'd fall to us at #14. Sadly, Danny likely think we're all set at SG so wouldn't take him if he does fall.

I see way more Danny Green in Nesmith than Allen/Klay. Not nearly as much fluidity, playmaking or handle to his game. He'll do well in the aforementioned Duncan Robinson role while bringing more on the defensive end of the floor. He's much more of a role player, but he could be elite at that. Wouldn't hate him at #14 based on the current mocks.

[BillessuR6]

If we move up I want Killian Hayes, I think he has that "it" factor and will be a star...

If we stay where we are:
at 14 - Nesmith
at 26 - Reed
at 30 - Quickley

[Fencer reregistered]

If we move up I want Killian Hayes, I think he has that "it" factor and will be a star...

If we stay where we are:
at 14 - Nesmith
at 26 - Reed
at 30 - Quickley

Whenever I see the name "Quickley" I think of the Shakespeare character. And I don't really know what she did! She just had a funny name.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mistress_Quickly

[Gomes3PC]

Nesmith will never be Klay or Allen BECAUSE he doesn't have that quick release. He just won't ever be able to pop off those curl screens like those guys and Rip Hamilton and others because it takes him too long to load up. And beyond shooting, he brings nothing else to the floor that's a plus. Klay has elite size for his position and is a plus-plus defender (or was pre-injury). Allen brought great secondary playmaking in his prime. You basically have to presume he completely commits to become a stopper on defense because I didn't see much of any ability to score off the bounce or make plays for others in college.

I wouldn't hate adding him, because if we do it means this staff believes he can develop defensively and that alone would give me confidence he could turn into a 3-and-D wing to pair with Tatum/Brown. I'd prefer though we find someone who can play more off the bounce than he has, as I think our bigger issues long term are needing to find another primary initiator to pair with Tatum.

[flintsky21]

I watched a highlight video of Nesmith and I swear I was watching Buddy Hield. Not bad value at 14. But with one week before the draft, my final wishlist would be:
14 - Patrick Williams
26 - Desmond Bane
30 - Isaiah Stewart

But putting on my DA hat, I predict
14 - RJ Hampton
26 - (Draft and stash)
30 - Paul Reed

Nightmare scenario for me would be drafting Poku at 14 or trading up for Devin Vassell.

[Curmudgeon]

We all have our binkies. I've already said my piece on Isaiah Stewart but I would have no issue with Saddiq Bey at #14. He's a guy who could help immediately because he knows how to play (as does Stewart).

I do not want a guard before pick #30, although I seriously doubt that Ainge will use all four picks. He'll roll a few of them over if he has to.

[themoneyteam2]

Umm shooting is pretty important, and he has great length and good athleticism, he is 6'6 and is always in motion, honestly he is not as good, but his game reminds me of Ray Allen the way he uses screens and runs all over the court. I guess another comp would be a very rich mans Duncan Robinson. I would love for us to take him at 14. He has the potential to be something more then a good starter, almost nobody else we are looking at there does. If the guys who look like its 50'50 they will be there at 14 he is my #1, he could be an all star, shooting with good size is rare.

this is nuts because I was just watching clips and came here to post this exact thing! A cross between Allen and Klay. I think Nesmith is better than any of the similar SGs taken so high in last year's draft (Barrett, Hunter, Culver, Langford and Herro) and should be easily the first SG taken in this draft now that Vassell's shot is so jacked. He's risen up my board big time. I think his supposed weakness are overblown except for his playmaking but that's something that can be improved over time to an extent. I think he'll be able to guard most 2s and some 3s. Maybe he won't be elite on defense but he won't be a liability either. I really can't imagine how he'd fall to us at #14. Sadly, Danny likely think we're all set at SG so wouldn't take him if he does fall.

I see way more Danny Green in Nesmith than Allen/Klay. Not nearly as much fluidity, playmaking or handle to his game. He'll do well in the aforementioned Duncan Robinson role while bringing more on the defensive end of the floor. He's much more of a role player, but he could be elite at that. Wouldn't hate him at #14 based on the current mocks.

And Nesmith's release is not as fast as guys like Duncan Robinson or Ray Allen or Klay Thompson.

[threrf23]

At quick glance, I kinda see some Martell Webster in Nesmith. But I haven't watched much of him, and i read conflicting things about his defense and intangibles.

He shot lights out from 3 - but over 14 games, 13 of which came against a non-conference slate.

Duncan Robinson = Desmond Bane IMO, plus or minus. Nesmith perhaps has the raw potential to be a much better player overall.

[playa-hater]

Picks I love at 14
Killian Hayes or Devin Vassel, there is some talk each might drop, trading up to get a guy danny loves.
Picks I really like at 14
Aaron Nesmith
Picks I am good with at 14
Kira Lewis, Jalen Smith, Precious Achiwu, Cole Anthony, Terry
Picks I dislike at 14 but don't hate
Saddiq Bey, Tyrese Maxey, Aleksej Pokusevski (Though I think long and hard about him later)
Picks I hate at 14
RJ Hampton, yes he is athletic but so is cassius stanley who is the exact same height and a 2nd round pick, he is a combo gaurd not a point and is not a good passer, shooter or defender at this point, fine drafting guys who need to improve alot in one area early, but not 3, if he is there at 26 different story, I think he is a bust.

I'm with most of these comments. But one stands out to me like a sore thumb.. Any Idea which one??

[playa-hater]

I watched a highlight video of Nesmith and I swear I was watching Buddy Hield. Not bad value at 14. But with one week before the draft, my final wishlist would be:
14 - Patrick Williams
26 - Desmond Bane
30 - Isaiah Stewart

But putting on my DA hat, I predict
14 - RJ Hampton
26 - (Draft and stash)
30 - Paul Reed

Nightmare scenario for me would be drafting Poku at 14 or trading up for Devin Vassell.

please don't even joke about shet like this.

[playa-hater]

Of the many Mocks, this one seems updated on rumors etc.. Like the picks for Boston, but Love the players that are actually available at our spots..

for me sub Bane in for Tillman, and Boston gets 2 real good wing prospects/shooters and a damn good switchable Big talent.. plus switch G Riller at 47 and I get a wet dream!!

https://tradenba.com/mock-drafts/epCLD7hYR

1. Minnesota - LaMelo Ball | PG | Illawarra
2. Golden State - James Wiseman | C | Memphis
3. Charlotte - Anthony Edwards | GF | Georgia
4. Chicago - Killian Hayes | PG | Ulm
5. Cleveland - Obi Toppin | PF | Dayton
6. Atlanta - Tyrese Haliburton | PG | Iowa State
7. Detroit - Patrick Williams | F | Florida State
8. NY Knicks - Deni Avdija | F | Maccabi Tel Aviv
9. Washington - Onyeka Okongwu | C | USC
10. Phoenix - Kira Lewis Jr | PG | Alabama
11. San Antonio - Devin Vassell | SG | Florida State
12. Sacramento - Aaron Nesmith | GF | Vanderbilt
13. New Orleans - Jalen Smith | FC | Maryland
14. Boston (via MEM) - Precious Achiuwa | FC | Memphis
15. Orlando - Tyrell Terry | PG | Stanford
16. Portland - Isaac Okoro | SF | Auburn
17. Minnesota (via BKN) - Saddiq Bey | F | Villanova
18. Dallas - Josh Green | SG | Arizona
19. Brooklyn (via PHI) - Jaden McDaniels | F | Washington
20. Miami - Tyrese Maxey | SG | Kentucky
21. Philadelphia (via OKC) - RJ Hampton | PG | NZ Breakers
22. Denver (via HOU) - Aleksej Pokusevski | FC | Olympiacos
23. Utah - Tyler Bey | F | Colorado
24. Milwaukee (via IND) - Cole Anthony | PG | UNC
25. OKC (via DEN) - Udoka Azubuike | C | Kansas
26. Boston - Xavier Tillman | C | Michigan State
27. NY Knicks (via LAC) - Desmond Bane | SG | TCU
28. LA Lakers - Isaiah Stewart | C | Washington
29. Toronto - Payton Pritchard | PG | Oregon
30. Boston (via MIL) - Robert Woodard II | SF | Mississippi State

Second Round
31. Dallas (via GSW) - Daniel Oturu | C | Minnesota
32. Charlotte (via CLE) - Cassius Winston | PG | Michigan State
33. Minnesota - Jahmi'us Ramsey | SG | Texas Tech
34. Philadelphia (via ATL) - Leandro Bolmaro | SG | Barcelona
35. Sacramento (via DET) - Zeke Nnaji | C | Arizona
36. Philadelphia (via NYK) - Paul Reed | PF | DePaul
37. Washington (via CHI) - Ty-Shon Alexander | PG | Creighton
38. NY Knicks (via CHA) - Nico Mannion | PG | Arizona
39. New Orleans (via WAS) - Caleb Wesson | C | Ohio State
40. Memphis (via PHX) - Theo Maledon | PG | ASVEL
41. San Antonio - Malachi Flynn | PG | San Diego State
42. New Orleans - Tre Jones | PG | Duke
43. Sacramento - Devon Dotson | PG | Kansas
44. Chicago (via MEM) - Killian Tillie | FC | Gonzaga
45. Orlando - Cassius Stanley | SG | Duke
46. Portland - Mamadi Diakite | PF | Virginia
47. Boston (via BKN) - Yam Madar | PG | Hapoel Tel Aviv
48. Golden State (via DAL) - Isaiah Joe | SG | Arkansas
49. Philadelphia - Rokas Jokubaitis | PG | Zalgiris
50. Atlanta (via MIA) - Jordan Nwora | PF | Louisville
51. Golden State (via UTA) - Grant Riller | G | Charleston
52. Sacramento (via HOU) - Vernon Carey Jr | FC | Duke
53. Oklahoma City - Immanuel Quickley | PG | Kentucky
54. Indiana - Reggie Perry | FC | Mississippi State
55. Brooklyn (via DEN) - Nate Darling | SG | Delaware
56. Charlotte (via BOS) - Elijah Hughes | SG | Syracuse
57. LA Clippers - Ashton Hagans | PG | Kentucky
58. Philadelphia (via LAL) - Paul Eboua | PF | Victoria Libertas Pesaro
59. Toronto - Jay Scrubb | SG | John A Logan College
60. New Orleans (via MIL) - Abdoulaye N'doye | PG | AS Monaco

[SmartWentCrazy]

My best guesses:

We trade 14 + 26 for 10 to take Okoro. Use 30 to punt Kanter+Poirier+Edwards.

We take Poku at 14 and trade 26+30 for 22 and pick Desmond Bane. Stash Poku for 1 year.