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Chello1 wrote:Do we really want to go all in on Middleton? God no! Then we are in the same position we are with the Holiday move. We are now stuck with a roster that may get you an 7 or 8 seed for the next few years with zero cap room to make any other moves.....
Chello1 wrote:Do we really want to go all in on Middleton? God no! Then we are in the same position we are with the Holiday move. We are now stuck with a roster that may get you an 7 or 8 seed for the next few years with zero cap room to make any other moves.....
minimus wrote:Chello1 wrote:Do we really want to go all in on Middleton? God no! Then we are in the same position we are with the Holiday move. We are now stuck with a roster that may get you an 7 or 8 seed for the next few years with zero cap room to make any other moves.....
Middleton is a perfect fit in terms of positional need. He can make work even relatively inexperienced lineup such as KAT-Vando-Middleton-Okogie-DLo work
jpatrick wrote:MN7725 wrote:Baseline81 wrote:Everybody's favorite Hawks insider is back this morning:
Middleton, 29, is scheduled to make $33M next season. His contract goes until the 2022-23 season unless he picks up his player option for the 2023-24 season ($40M). How do the Wolves even come close to matching salaries with Johnson ($16M) and Culver ($6M).
It's unclear, but is Ball going to the Kings? Barnes and Bogdan to the Bucks? Where is Bledsoe going?
would assume that it wouldn't be completed until Ball signs his contract which would be $9.5 mil +
but yeah, hard to tell where the pieces would be going
Doesn’t make a lot of sense. Ball fits worse with the Kings than he does here. Middleton had already shown that he’s not good enough to be a #2 on a championship team. Do we want to pay him 40m per year in his mid 30s when he’s already shown this?
I still think that unless we can get a true star (Simmons, Booker, Beal) you either keep the pick or you trade down and pick up an asset. I don’t want to move the #1 for a borderline all star that is or about to be overpaid for his 30+ age seasons (Holiday, Middleton, etc).
MN7725 wrote:jpatrick wrote:MN7725 wrote:
would assume that it wouldn't be completed until Ball signs his contract which would be $9.5 mil +
but yeah, hard to tell where the pieces would be going
Doesn’t make a lot of sense. Ball fits worse with the Kings than he does here. Middleton had already shown that he’s not good enough to be a #2 on a championship team. Do we want to pay him 40m per year in his mid 30s when he’s already shown this?
I still think that unless we can get a true star (Simmons, Booker, Beal) you either keep the pick or you trade down and pick up an asset. I don’t want to move the #1 for a borderline all star that is or about to be overpaid for his 30+ age seasons (Holiday, Middleton, etc).
Not the route I would go either, but it's pretty likely that this draft's #1 isn't valued that high
Most of the talk I've heard is that there are 8+ guys next year that would be clear #1 in this draft
So if the Wolves are thinking they are not going to have a package for a "star" level player since they already owe next year's pick, Middleton would be the next tier down player if they wanted to go that route
Wolves might be getting back #12 from Sac in this scenario, and its possible Wolves internally like some of the guys projected there as much as those near the top
idk, seems strange all around
KGdaBom wrote:minimus wrote:Chello1 wrote:Do we really want to go all in on Middleton? God no! Then we are in the same position we are with the Holiday move. We are now stuck with a roster that may get you an 7 or 8 seed for the next few years with zero cap room to make any other moves.....
Middleton is a perfect fit in terms of positional need. He can make work even relatively inexperienced lineup such as KAT-Vando-Middleton-Okogie-DLo work
No Beasley in the lineup?
minimus wrote:MN7725 wrote:jpatrick wrote:
Doesn’t make a lot of sense. Ball fits worse with the Kings than he does here. Middleton had already shown that he’s not good enough to be a #2 on a championship team. Do we want to pay him 40m per year in his mid 30s when he’s already shown this?
I still think that unless we can get a true star (Simmons, Booker, Beal) you either keep the pick or you trade down and pick up an asset. I don’t want to move the #1 for a borderline all star that is or about to be overpaid for his 30+ age seasons (Holiday, Middleton, etc).
Not the route I would go either, but it's pretty likely that this draft's #1 isn't valued that high
Most of the talk I've heard is that there are 8+ guys next year that would be clear #1 in this draft
So if the Wolves are thinking they are not going to have a package for a "star" level player since they already owe next year's pick, Middleton would be the next tier down player if they wanted to go that route
Wolves might be getting back #12 from Sac in this scenario, and its possible Wolves internally like some of the guys projected there as much as those near the top
idk, seems strange all around
Yeah, I'd trade JJ, #1, Culver for Middleton + SAC #12 pick as well. If we draft wisely at #12 and #17 then sky is the limit.
KGdaBom wrote:Chello1 wrote:Do we really want to go all in on Middleton? God no! Then we are in the same position we are with the Holiday move. We are now stuck with a roster that may get you an 7 or 8 seed for the next few years with zero cap room to make any other moves.....
Call me strange, but I prefer 7-8 seed over fighting it out for the #1 pick in the draft.
MN7725 wrote:jpatrick wrote:MN7725 wrote:
would assume that it wouldn't be completed until Ball signs his contract which would be $9.5 mil +
but yeah, hard to tell where the pieces would be going
Doesn’t make a lot of sense. Ball fits worse with the Kings than he does here. Middleton had already shown that he’s not good enough to be a #2 on a championship team. Do we want to pay him 40m per year in his mid 30s when he’s already shown this?
I still think that unless we can get a true star (Simmons, Booker, Beal) you either keep the pick or you trade down and pick up an asset. I don’t want to move the #1 for a borderline all star that is or about to be overpaid for his 30+ age seasons (Holiday, Middleton, etc).
Not the route I would go either, but it's pretty likely that this draft's #1 isn't valued that high
Most of the talk I've heard is that there are 8+ guys next year that would be clear #1 in this draft
So if the Wolves are thinking they are not going to have a package for a "star" level player since they already owe next year's pick, Middleton would be the next tier down player if they wanted to go that route
Wolves might be getting back #12 from Sac in this scenario, and its possible Wolves internally like some of the guys projected there as much as those near the top
idk, seems strange all around
minimus wrote:KGdaBom wrote:minimus wrote:
Middleton is a perfect fit in terms of positional need. He can make work even relatively inexperienced lineup such as KAT-Vando-Middleton-Okogie-DLo work
No Beasley in the lineup?
Giving current situation and his RFA status, I'd like to have a contingency plan for SG position. Call me crazy but right now I'm thinking that Jaylen Nowell can be MIP candidate next year, if he gets opportunity and resolves his consistency issues.
mercgold3 wrote:Miles Bridges and #3 would be a great return. I hope it gets done.
IceManBK1 wrote:Hornets#3+Bridges for #1 and JJ. Maybe Topping or O.O at #3..or Culver+17 for Gordon. Then sign Joe Harris for the MLE. Dlo/Harris/Bridges/Gordon or Toppin or Onyeka/Towns.
Chello1 wrote:Do we really want to go all in on Middleton? God no! Then we are in the same position we are with the Holiday move. We are now stuck with a roster that may get you an 7 or 8 seed for the next few years with zero cap room to make any other moves.....
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