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2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch - Revised Poll

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Who do you prefer of the following prospects?

Desmond Bane
12
41%
Saddiq Bey
1
3%
RJ Hampton
1
3%
Kira Lewis Jr
4
14%
Tyrese Maxey
2
7%
Aaron Nesmith
2
7%
Isaac Okoro
1
3%
Jalen Smith
2
7%
Tyrell Terry
2
7%
Patrick Williams
2
7%
 
Total votes: 29

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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#2241 » by Saberestar » Tue Nov 10, 2020 6:56 pm

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ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:PGs: Why not Hayes at 10, since it's starting to look like he'll be there? Are we worried that he doesn't give us enough speed next to Devin (and thus our apparent interest in Lewis)? Hampton is interesting, too, though I'd feel better taking a swing with a later pick than 10. I don't think Lewis is as fast as the hype machine leads one to believe. And I'm not sure Terry has enough in his game to merit a high selection: I just haven't seen enough; he scares me.


I am pretty sure more on this board would take Hayes than Lewis, Terry, etc, but most hadn't felt he'd be there and there are no Suns rumors (not that it means anything). It's hard to tell what James Jones must do but being that it seems he wants someone ready to contribute more now, that might not help Hayes as much as he might be more of a long term prospect than someone ready now, though Lewis is just about as young and Terry was just a freshman.

I don't know a ton about Hayes, but based on other people's thoughts that I respect, I hope if he's there, we take him.

Personally I would draft Kira Lewis over Hayes because speed, handles and scoring ability. Hayes looks to me smooth but not that good creating and getting space for his own shoot and that's huge for a PG n this current NBA.

And I need to recognize that I value Hayes a bit less than other people after watching Okobo a couple of years on the roster. He plays a similar style of basketball (Okobo more of a scoring PG, Hayes more of a passer), both have nice size, solid athletes, from the same country, both left handed, etc... so I prefer other PG prospects (Haliburton, Lewis and probably Maxey) over him.
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Post#2242 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:09 pm

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bwgood77 wrote:
ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:PGs: Why not Hayes at 10, since it's starting to look like he'll be there? Are we worried that he doesn't give us enough speed next to Devin (and thus our apparent interest in Lewis)? Hampton is interesting, too, though I'd feel better taking a swing with a later pick than 10. I don't think Lewis is as fast as the hype machine leads one to believe. And I'm not sure Terry has enough in his game to merit a high selection: I just haven't seen enough; he scares me.


I am pretty sure more on this board would take Hayes than Lewis, Terry, etc, but most hadn't felt he'd be there and there are no Suns rumors (not that it means anything). It's hard to tell what James Jones must do but being that it seems he wants someone ready to contribute more now, that might not help Hayes as much as he might be more of a long term prospect than someone ready now, though Lewis is just about as young and Terry was just a freshman.

I don't know a ton about Hayes, but based on other people's thoughts that I respect, I hope if he's there, we take him.

Personally I would draft Kira Lewis over Hayes because speed, handles and scoring ability. Hayes looks to me smooth but not that good creating and getting space for his own shoot and that's huge for a PG n this current NBA.

And I need to recognize that I value Hayes a bit less than other people after watching Okobo a couple of years on the roster. He plays a similar style of basketball (Okobo more of a scoring PG, Hayes more of a passer), both have nice size, solid athletes, from the same country, both left handed, etc... so I prefer other PG prospects (Haliburton, Lewis and probably Maxey) over him.


Maxey = Bust

Hayes profiles as a plus defender and a creator who can't shoot, and yet when I watch film, I see Devin Booker. I don't know what that means, but it seems to me that if he can improve from deep (and young players tend to), we could be looking at a star.

And yet, yeah, I think I would prefer to take Haliburton. Apparently others would too, which is why Hayes might be there at 10. Taking him, if he's available, does seem like the smart move, but I haven't been paying as close attention as some around here so...
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#2243 » by TheLogician » Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:14 pm

My ideal draft would be a trade down for Terry and Riller. Final answer.
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Post#2244 » by WeekapaugGroove » Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:21 pm

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ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:PGs: Why not Hayes at 10, since it's starting to look like he'll be there? Are we worried that he doesn't give us enough speed next to Devin (and thus our apparent interest in Lewis)? Hampton is interesting, too, though I'd feel better taking a swing with a later pick than 10. I don't think Lewis is as fast as the hype machine leads one to believe. And I'm not sure Terry has enough in his game to merit a high selection: I just haven't seen enough; he scares me.


I am pretty sure more on this board would take Hayes than Lewis, Terry, etc, but most hadn't felt he'd be there and there are no Suns rumors (not that it means anything). It's hard to tell what James Jones must do but being that it seems he wants someone ready to contribute more now, that might not help Hayes as much as he might be more of a long term prospect than someone ready now, though Lewis is just about as young and Terry was just a freshman.

I don't know a ton about Hayes, but based on other people's thoughts that I respect, I hope if he's there, we take him.

Personally I would draft Kira Lewis over Hayes because speed, handles and scoring ability. Hayes looks to me smooth but not that good creating and getting space for his own shoot and that's huge for a PG n this current NBA.

And I need to recognize that I value Hayes a bit less than other people after watching Okobo a couple of years on the roster. He plays a similar style of basketball (Okobo more of a scoring PG, Hayes more of a passer), both have nice size, solid athletes, from the same country, both left handed, etc... so I prefer other PG prospects (Haliburton, Lewis and probably Maxey) over him.
I understand the Okobo PTSD. Heck I really liked Okobo as a prospect and I'm not even really sure why he hasn't worked out. Lack of feel for the game I guess, just not quite good at a little of everything?

Hayes is a little bigger and seems like a more natural passer and a little better defensive instincts. The shot is concerning but the indicators like FT shooting are positive.

An interesting knock on Hayes is last year he basically played as focal point for his team so people question how he'll play in a complementary role. It's not that he can't but we really haven't seen it and that can be a hard transition for some guys.

Overall if he's there at 10 the combo of best player available and need makes it a worthwhile gamble.

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Post#2245 » by bwgood77 » Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:24 pm

TheLogician wrote:My ideal draft would be a trade down for Terry and Riller. Final answer.


Why TWO small score first point guards?
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Post#2246 » by bwgood77 » Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:26 pm

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bwgood77 wrote:
I am pretty sure more on this board would take Hayes than Lewis, Terry, etc, but most hadn't felt he'd be there and there are no Suns rumors (not that it means anything). It's hard to tell what James Jones must do but being that it seems he wants someone ready to contribute more now, that might not help Hayes as much as he might be more of a long term prospect than someone ready now, though Lewis is just about as young and Terry was just a freshman.

I don't know a ton about Hayes, but based on other people's thoughts that I respect, I hope if he's there, we take him.

Personally I would draft Kira Lewis over Hayes because speed, handles and scoring ability. Hayes looks to me smooth but not that good creating and getting space for his own shoot and that's huge for a PG n this current NBA.

And I need to recognize that I value Hayes a bit less than other people after watching Okobo a couple of years on the roster. He plays a similar style of basketball (Okobo more of a scoring PG, Hayes more of a passer), both have nice size, solid athletes, from the same country, both left handed, etc... so I prefer other PG prospects (Haliburton, Lewis and probably Maxey) over him.
I understand the Okobo PTSD. Heck I really liked Okobo as a prospect and I'm not even really sure why he hasn't worked out. Lack of feel for the game I guess, just not quite good at a little of everything?

Hayes is a little bigger and seems like a more natural passer and a little better defensive instincts. The shot is concerning but the indicators like FT shooting are positive.

An interesting knock on Hayes is last year he basically played as focal point for his team so people question how he'll play in a complementary role. It's not that he can't but we really haven't seen it and that can be a hard transition for some guys.

Overall if he's there at 10 the combo of best player available and need makes it a worthwhile gamble.

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I think there is a good chance he is there at 10 and we don't take him. Though I wouldn't be surprised about ANYONE in the entire draft being there at #10 and us not taking them...except Haliburton.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#2247 » by TheLogician » Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:26 pm

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TheLogician wrote:My ideal draft would be a trade down for Terry and Riller. Final answer.


Why TWO small score first point guards?


Off the dribble shooting. Terry can develop behind Rubio and Riller can be the sixth man.
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Post#2250 » by Kerrsed » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:18 pm

Its really starting to piss me off that all these sports/NBA sites are really dropping the ball on this years Combine. Yeah, i understand that its been spread out over the past month, but the fact that i cant find a single site that has the prospects and their stats/numbers listed side by side is an absolute embarrassment. I dont want to go through 12 different sites and 80 different pages just to get the information to make my own Google Docs spreadsheet. I mean its crazy that one site only lists a few numbers for a player, then i have to search other sites to find some other numbers. Like WTF is that!?!?

https://thepaintedlines.com/your-main-nba-combine-takeaways-so-far/

Like the link i just posted. Yes it has some good info, but give me all the damn stats dammit! I dont care about a very limited "Key Stats" if i cant compare it to the other guys. I mean is it like really that hard? Isnt it what these sites get paid to do? And shame on the NBA for not having them listed on their official NBA.com website like they do every year.
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Post#2253 » by Kerrsed » Tue Nov 10, 2020 11:45 pm

The most surprising name in Jonathan Givony’s list of likely top-nine picks in the 2020 NBA Draft: Florida State forward Patrick Williams.

Williams is an intriguing prospect. He’s just 19. He defends well, turning his athleticism and energy into plenty of disruption. He can score on cuts and alley-oop finishes, and he has shown flashes of greater offensive skill.

Top nine-pick, though? It definitely seemed possible, but hardly assured. It appeared Williams could easily go later in the lottery or even shortly after.

Unless a high-picking team was infatuated with him.

John Hollinger of The Athletic:

The hottest draft rumor is that Williams has a promise from the Pistons, or at the very least that they’re extremely interested in him.


Detroit just hired Troy Weaver as general manager. While he worked under Sam Presti in Oklahoma City, the Thunder frequently drafted developing long athletic players – like Williams. Oklahoma City also had multiple rumored promises pan out.

So, circumstantially, this makes sense as something the Pistons would do.
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Interesting - Tyrese Maxey

The Suns are in dire need of another shot-creator alongside Devin Booker, which opens the door for Maxey, who could become the next great under-drafted Kentucky guard. Maxey is a tough, long-armed defender with deep range and excellent touch in the paint. He averaged 19.0 points per game last season against top-25 teams, bringing confidence and a joyous nature to the floor that fits perfectly with what Monty Williams is building. - SCHMITZ


Kira Lewis at 18
Desmond Bane at 27
Tyrell Terry at 29

It is weird how all over the place mocks are after the top 9.

Vassell #11, Jalen Smith #13, Nesmith 15
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Post#2259 » by bwgood77 » Wed Nov 11, 2020 7:58 pm

Man, that Terry wingspan is bad.....his defensive #s don't look bad..but given his size and wingspan, that wouldn't work well in NBA...he is a 6th man microwave guy. Riller has better length.

Maledon nice size for a PG.

I really do wonder how far Mannion falls. I didn't want him at all, back when he was highly ranked, but I think he might fall too low. The guy is a very confident floor leader and had one of the highest ast/usage rates in the country. I think he is a very high IQ player. If he could just improve his shooting, he'd be a solid backup.

I don't think he's on the level of the guys we've been talking about, or has the upside, but I think if we somehow got a pick in the 40s or something, and he is sitting there, he could be worth taking.

People have talked about TJ McConnell, who I watched at AZ and liked...but he was a 5th year senior and probably played a tad better than Mannion while 4 years older....better and scrappier defender, and similar on offense, without the size.

There are likely a lot of PGs better, but it's interesting that he was up there among the top PGs in the class with Cole Anthony prior to the college season, and Cole probably played worse, and some are still high on Cole and are very low on Mannion. Now I know Cole has more NBA type theoretical strengths, but I give NIco the edge in IQ, confidence...(maybe not irrational confidence)..control, and probably shooting, especially in the long run.
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Post#2260 » by WeekapaugGroove » Wed Nov 11, 2020 8:54 pm

If they make the paul trade and keep 10 I'd think they would be praying Vassell makes it to them. He'd be a real nice backup wing who should be able to contribute early.

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