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Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread

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What kind of player do you think we need most?

Point Guard
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Scoring Guard
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62%
Great Shooter
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3&D Wing
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7%
 
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Re: Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#2121 » by basketballRob » Wed Nov 11, 2020 12:01 am

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Bensational wrote:Cole is one of the few prospects who actually looks natural taking the big 'superstar' shots. The kind of shots that are tough and challenged. I think he's a safe bet to be a rotation player for sure, and at least a sparkplug scorer off the bench.

He really does look like a man amongst boys, and probably because he is for his age.

Cole Anthony and Mcdaniels are the 2 players who can possibly grossly outplay our draft position.
Anthony's standing reach is a little scary 7'11" compare that to DJ's 7'10.5".

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Post#2122 » by Def Swami » Wed Nov 11, 2020 12:20 am


He was well-heralded as a clear cut top 3 guy in this draft class prior to the college basketball season. This is where context really matters. How much stock do you put into his 30 games at UNC somewhat maligned by injuries and role vs everything on tape before that? He has the look of a go-to guy, but his efficiency was terrible at UNC. I actually think he'll be a productive pro for a long time. I wouldn't be upset if the Magic took him. You'd be betting on his upside as a scorer. There are certainly other players I'd rather have over him, but you could do a lot worse at pick #15.

I really like where we're picking in this draft. A lot of good prospects to choose from. Our front office will have a good crop to pick from. It's up to them to earn their check.
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Post#2123 » by MasterGMer » Wed Nov 11, 2020 12:22 am

I'd be fine with Cole Anthony. We need playmakers and shooting. He provides both. If not this past season with UNC, he could be Top 5
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Post#2124 » by Knightro » Wed Nov 11, 2020 12:46 am

I do think Anthony is a better outside shooter than his percentages would indicate, but I also think he routinely dragged his own percentages down with horrendous shot selection and an overly trigger happy nature. He was far too comfortable to take a bad shot for my liking.

He reminds me of Maxey in the respect that he's more of a shooting guard in a point guard's body.

Anthony feels like a Jordan Clarkson/Gary Neal type to me. Capable of getting red hot and scoring 30 on a given night, but just as liable to go 2-12 and score 6 points. And he's not giving you anything as a passer, rebounder, defender, so if he's not making shots he's pretty unplayable.
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Post#2125 » by MasterGMer » Wed Nov 11, 2020 12:59 am

Knightro wrote:I do think Anthony is a better outside shooter than his percentages would indicate, but I also think he routinely dragged his own percentages down with horrendous shot selection and an overly trigger happy nature. He was far too comfortable to take a bad shot for my liking.

He reminds me of Maxey in the respect that he's more of a shooting guard in a point guard's body.

Anthony feels like a Jordan Clarkson/Gary Neal type to me. Capable of getting red hot and scoring 30 on a given night, but just as liable to go 2-12 and score 6 points. And he's not giving you anything as a passer, rebounder, defender, so if he's not making shots he's pretty unplayable.


No one is perfect and you are just asking too much.

Cole could easily be our back PG and 2 guard and he will be an upgrade over DJ. Much better athleticism and size. Plus capable shooter.
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Post#2126 » by KillMonger » Wed Nov 11, 2020 2:26 am

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He was well-heralded as a clear cut top 3 guy in this draft class prior to the college basketball season. This is where context really matters. How much stock do you put into his 30 games at UNC somewhat maligned by injuries and role vs everything on tape before that? He has the look of a go-to guy, but his efficiency was terrible at UNC. I actually think he'll be a productive pro for a long time. I wouldn't be upset if the Magic took him. You'd be betting on his upside as a scorer. There are certainly other players I'd rather have over him, but you could do a lot worse at pick #15.

I really like where we're picking in this draft. A lot of good prospects to choose from. Our front office will have a good crop to pick from. It's up to them to earn their check.

Yeah, i agree I want to sit here and say that the guy we select at 15 will do this and do that but in reality i'm expecting a good backup to maybe an average starter at best and maybe that's conservative but at our slot? i don't think i should be expecting more....for example for as much sh t as we give Vuc he has completely surpassed his draft "expectancy" so to speak...normally players drafted at #16 like he was doesn't become as good as he has, since the 80's you can probably count on 1 hand how many players turned out to be good players....stockton and Turkoglu come to mind immediately....honestly i hope we can move up
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Post#2127 » by KillMonger » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:40 am

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Post#2128 » by Bensational » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:49 am

Def Swami wrote:

He was well-heralded as a clear cut top 3 guy in this draft class prior to the college basketball season. This is where context really matters. How much stock do you put into his 30 games at UNC somewhat maligned by injuries and role vs everything on tape before that? He has the look of a go-to guy, but his efficiency was terrible at UNC. I actually think he'll be a productive pro for a long time. I wouldn't be upset if the Magic took him. You'd be betting on his upside as a scorer. There are certainly other players I'd rather have over him, but you could do a lot worse at pick #15.

I really like where we're picking in this draft. A lot of good prospects to choose from. Our front office will have a good crop to pick from. It's up to them to earn their check.


To be fair he has been heralded against high school competition. And against college competition he wasn't as reliable. Maybe he's an Austin Rivers/OJ Mayo type who owned high school but not the NBA?

That said, he plays with that real Lillard swagger, where he looks a threat to jack a shot at any moment and uses that to get by his defender where he has nice moves and double clutches and hang time to keep the ball away from the defender and throw it up. Problem is he's considered a threat to jack a shot from anywhere because he is, and despite his skills he forces some bad, and badly contested shots.
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Post#2129 » by pepe1991 » Wed Nov 11, 2020 7:30 am

You don't shoot 38% FG by taking good shots, that's a given for Cole Anthony. He is too trigger-happy imo. It's good when Lillard or Curry don't have leash, but it's not that great when Monta Ellise and Jennings act like it.
He was below average efficiency guard even by college standards.

He is more like 2-guard too small and too ball dominant to play as SG.
Probably career backup, change of pace guard.
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Post#2130 » by VFX » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:03 pm

Not a fan of Anthony.

Disappeared in college after being overhyped in highschool. What’s his upside? Back up point guard that isn’t multi-positional. What does he do that Fultz doesn’t?
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Post#2131 » by Knightro » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:40 pm

MagicMatic wrote:Not a fan of Anthony.

Disappeared in college after being overhyped in highschool. What’s his upside? Back up point guard that isn’t multi-positional. What does he do that Fultz doesn’t?


I'm not a fan either.

I think he's a small SG in the Patty Mills, Gary Neal, Jordan Clarkson mold. Off the bench scorer who can get hot, but doesn't give you much of anything when he isn't hot.
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Post#2132 » by Xatticus » Wed Nov 11, 2020 6:26 pm

Knightro wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:Not a fan of Anthony.

Disappeared in college after being overhyped in highschool. What’s his upside? Back up point guard that isn’t multi-positional. What does he do that Fultz doesn’t?


I'm not a fan either.

I think he's a small SG in the Patty Mills, Gary Neal, Jordan Clarkson mold. Off the bench scorer who can get hot, but doesn't give you much of anything when he isn't hot.


And those guys are available in the 2nd round every year. Dotson and Riller will probably get to the 2nd round. Howard will probably be there at 45. It probably wouldn't be hard to pry Edwards from Boston. I just see no reason to use our 1st-round pick on Anthony. I'd much prefer a guy that can run the pick and roll and spread the ball around anyway.
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Post#2133 » by basketballRob » Wed Nov 11, 2020 6:27 pm

Best case scenario for Anthony would be a Jameer Nelson type career.

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Post#2134 » by sChOlaRlY_Magi » Wed Nov 11, 2020 6:30 pm

Kevin Porter Jr looked like the best prospect in that film (I know he is on the Cavs already, but had to look it up.) I know they are probably just showing makes, but it looked like everything he shot was nothing but net...
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Post#2136 » by Bensational » Wed Nov 11, 2020 7:37 pm

I think the case against Anthony is that there are other PGs who outplayed him during the season who could be picked up later in the draft. They might not have that one-on-five mentality of Anthony, but that's probably a better thing if none are capable of handling that role.

Floyd, Riller, Jones - all would be a steadier hand, and all could become a DJ-esque back up PG or better. Riller's numbers in particular are insanely efficient and consistent over his 4 years in college.

And if I'm targeting one of those guys in the 2nd round then I'm probably more exclusively looking at wings in the first round.
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Post#2137 » by jonbob17 » Wed Nov 11, 2020 7:54 pm

Tyrell Terry combine measurements 6'1.5" height 6'2 wingspan
Grant Riller 6'0 height 6'5" wingspan

Looking at our roster, we are so big everywhere, outside of Augustin.
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Post#2138 » by dsg2021 » Wed Nov 11, 2020 8:50 pm

jonbob17 wrote:Nesmith played 14 games last year, including one SEC game. His DPM was 0.3, pretty bad. Assists 0.9 per game, awful. He is a very good shooter, not a 50% 3pt shooter, and that is all he does. If we are looking for a 6th or 7th man to come in and knock down shots at the 2 then fine. I would personally rather have Isaiah Joe, he took a crazy amount of 3s the last 2 seasons (548 vs Nesmith's 290), 38%vs41%, plays better defense, is exactly the same height/wingspan, and should be available towards the end of the 1st round (or later).

We should have the opportunity at a decent playmaker at 15 or an actual 3D Wing. Or trade up to the the 6-11 range and choose someone with an even clearer path to upside.


Amazing Isaiah Joe scouting report below. He seems a little one-dimensional in his 3's and a midrange iso game. His defense is not great, only solid. His passing is nonexistent. I don't think he shot many NBA-range 3's in college like Nesmith did. Worse yet, Joe's primary NBA 3 spot is going to be the corners, but he was horrific at them in college! Finally, the bias of recency and the latest season would look at Joe's 34% 3PT to Nesmith's 50% 3PT. Is he still better than Nesmith? He's going to be like 90% of what Nesmith is? I'd lean no.

https://www.peachtreehoops.com/2020/8/28/21400236/isaiah-joe-2020-nba-draft-scouting-report-arkansas-shooting-offense-defense-profile-video-analysis
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Post#2139 » by jonbob17 » Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:17 pm

dsg2021 wrote:
jonbob17 wrote:Nesmith played 14 games last year, including one SEC game. His DPM was 0.3, pretty bad. Assists 0.9 per game, awful. He is a very good shooter, not a 50% 3pt shooter, and that is all he does. If we are looking for a 6th or 7th man to come in and knock down shots at the 2 then fine. I would personally rather have Isaiah Joe, he took a crazy amount of 3s the last 2 seasons (548 vs Nesmith's 290), 38%vs41%, plays better defense, is exactly the same height/wingspan, and should be available towards the end of the 1st round (or later).

We should have the opportunity at a decent playmaker at 15 or an actual 3D Wing. Or trade up to the the 6-11 range and choose someone with an even clearer path to upside.


Amazing Isaiah Joe scouting report below. He seems a little one-dimensional in his 3's and a midrange iso game. His defense is not great, only solid. His passing is nonexistent. I don't think he shot many NBA-range 3's in college like Nesmith did. Worse yet, Joe's primary NBA 3 spot is going to be the corners, but he was horrific at them in college! Finally, the bias of recency and the latest season would look at Joe's 34% 3PT to Nesmith's 50% 3PT. Is he still better than Nesmith? He's going to be like 90% of what Nesmith is? I'd lean no.

https://www.peachtreehoops.com/2020/8/28/21400236/isaiah-joe-2020-nba-draft-scouting-report-arkansas-shooting-offense-defense-profile-video-analysis


I'd argue that they are close to the same player, 40% 3pt shooters, that are not great on defense. They are both one dimensional on offense. I view them as guys to look at in the mid twenties.
During their collegiate career Joe shot 38% on 9 3's a game and Nesmith 41% on 6 3s a game. Nine threes a game, that is insane.

I don't buy this talk of Nesmith as a potential lottery pick, and we can do better at 15.
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Re: Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#2140 » by Magicfanatic82 » Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:53 pm

So far we have worked out in person:
Lewis and Hampton
Any others been confirmed?

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