BaF Season 4- Opening Night 12/1- (Announcement page 57)

[Context]

Look, lets make this like Christmas for Bish and his girls (wife included). Everyone can afford to buy bish a drink
so that can be the minimum contribution. Those that can afford/ and want to send more - will add more. We can
call it the "Free Agency chest box". We set a date prior to free agency and everyone sends in their
cash app (private) contribution (bish will set up a cash app -you can withdraw- with no fees to a bank account)

This will create an "event" if you will where bish's entire family will share the joy in free agency. They will encourage Bish as he
puts in the 3 days worth of dedicated time- know that with the money the family will get to do something fun together.
The girls will have to help by bringing their dad some beverages or whatever else he likes- the miss's will join in as well.
Maybe they can root for certain teams...Oh almost forgot you have a son Bish- he can join in as well...

Leave everything else alone - its too much- you guys are opening a can of worms here...

[3toheadmelo]

I thought we all agreed to keep everything private and roll with freezing periods. Now we’re putting ranges out to the public? No steals gonna be happening. If we’re going public then minimum bids should be implemented.

[bishnykfan]

As far as inquiries go...there are only 4-5 teams that send requests for inquiries on players and what their cost would be. Sometimes those PM's may have as many as 7 or 8 different players on them which can be time consuming, but overall the amount of just plain inquiries on players salaries is not a lot. We can definitely outlaw them if people agree but then I just assume teams will make lowball offers that I will have to respond to anyway. Lol

my only take on this is all our FA offseason have had a limited about of teams with cap space.

Technically the 2022 class almost all 30 teams could in theory sign anyone if they really wanted to because that will be the first offseason the entire league will be able to go after or try to retain there bid dogs.

For example I probably plan to keep tabs on every single big time FA. I assume nearly everyone will feel the same way.

Before there were only really 3 teams needing to keep tabs on Booker for example this FA. In thoery my guess is 25+ GM's will want to know what Giannis or Tatum for example and where there bidding is at.

I agree completely which is why I think it's important to get this out there now rather than wait. Whatever we decide should be put in place next year so we have almost a trial run before the big year in 2022. I don't like the idea of limiting the free market at all. I don't like the idea of telling a team that they have made their five bids for the day and are now not able to bid on a player they want. I don't really like the idea of making the bids public tbh...I think it will all take away from the FA experience, lol.

But I also see the writing on the wall...there is no way that FA can be done in two years, as we just did it now. There will 100% have to be changes made. I'm hoping to keep them as minor as possible which is why I brought up possibly extending FA overall by limiting the times that bids can be placed. Time slot bids make some sense. Maybe saying each team can submit one bid per hour or just saying bids can only be placed for a certain number of hours per day rather than the 18 hours a day we just went through. Longer dead periods throughout the day may work better for me as well as the 30 of you who don't want to sit around at your computer all day.

[bringbackhoffa]

Look, lets make this like Christmas for Bish and his girls (wife included). Everyone can afford to buy bish a drink
so that can be the minimum contribution. Those that can afford/ and want to send more - will add more. We can
call it the "Free Agency chest box". We set a date prior to free agency and everyone sends in their
cash app (private) contribution (bish will set up a cash app -you can withdraw- with no fees to a bank account)

This will create an "event" if you will where bish's entire family will share the joy in free agency. They will encourage Bish as he
puts in the 3 days worth of dedicated time- know that with the money the family will get to do something fun together.
The girls will have to help by bringing their dad some beverages or whatever else he likes- the miss's will join in as well.
Maybe they can root for certain teams...Oh almost forgot you have a son Bish- he can join in as well...

Leave everything else alone - its too much- you guys are opening a can of worms here...

its not that, we had a weaker free agency class this year and bish had 300 + PM in the first 2 days. If we dont change things slightly he will be looking at well over 1000+ PM in the first couple days with the quality, number, and the amount of cap space out there in year 5, its just not feasible to run the exact same system

[bringbackhoffa]

As far as inquiries go...there are only 4-5 teams that send requests for inquiries on players and what their cost would be. Sometimes those PM's may have as many as 7 or 8 different players on them which can be time consuming, but overall the amount of just plain inquiries on players salaries is not a lot. We can definitely outlaw them if people agree but then I just assume teams will make lowball offers that I will have to respond to anyway. Lol

my only take on this is all our FA offseason have had a limited about of teams with cap space.

Technically the 2022 class almost all 30 teams could in theory sign anyone if they really wanted to because that will be the first offseason the entire league will be able to go after or try to retain there bid dogs.

For example I probably plan to keep tabs on every single big time FA. I assume nearly everyone will feel the same way.

Before there were only really 3 teams needing to keep tabs on Booker for example this FA. In thoery my guess is 25+ GM's will want to know what Giannis or Tatum for example and where there bidding is at.

I agree completely which is why I think it's important to get this out there now rather than wait. Whatever we decide should be put in place next year so we have almost a trial run before the big year in 2022. I don't like the idea of limiting the free market at all. I don't like the idea of telling a team that they have made their five bids for the day and are now not able to bid on a player they want. I don't really like the idea of making the bids public tbh...I think it will all take away from the FA experience, lol.

But I also see the writing on the wall...there is no way that FA can be done in two years, as we just did it now. There will 100% have to be changes made. I'm hoping to keep them as minor as possible which is why I brought up possibly extending FA overall by limiting the times that bids can be placed. Time slot bids make some sense. Maybe saying each team can submit one bid per hour or just saying bids can only be placed for a certain number of hours per day rather than the 18 hours a day we just went through. Longer dead periods throughout the day may work better for me as well as the 30 of you who don't want to sit around at your computer all day.

i like the idea of longer freeze periods, the off-season is long why not stretch things out a bit and have everything run smooth as possibly, there is no reason to race and finish free agency in 1 week when we have 3-4 months to kill

[Slicin N Dicin]

So only changes really are:

Freeze periods

Bird Right FA being a Cap Hold until non-bird FA's are signed

Looking into a potential automated spreadsheet from our resident excel experts


Not doing public bids/public $$, not adding a min/max on bids per team


Not sure if I might be missing something or incorrect in an assumption, correct me if I'm wrong

[bringbackhoffa]

if teams are worried about public bids as it could evaporate steals, what if it were something like this:
The following players have received offers for over $250 per year

following players have received offers for less than $100-250 per year.

and lastly the below players have received offers for less than $100 per year

[Deeeez Knicks]

yeah agreed it would have to be like a freeze day in between bidding days where you could only inquire about players an bish could update who signed.

Like one bidding day

Then off day (where bish updates and only answers about inquiries about where a player high bid is).

Only way I see private bidding working with the massive FA class in 2022. But bish is superman so who knows

did you read that long proposal that another GM sent bish , what if you were to take some parts of that and apply it? Like at the end of day 1 bidding if the team with bird rights has the highest offer they automatically re-sign their player. Incentivize teams with bird rights to come out with a strong offer to their bird right player and lock them up and move on to securing other players rather than being dragged out in a bidding war (aka what we saw with booker this year)

I don't like anything with tiers in it. So I didn't like the proposal. All the FA should be out at once...we tried the tiers on the original draft and it was silly IMO.

And the bird rights thing is just odd. Whats stopping a team with bird rights waiting all day not bidding once to keep there player as low as possible then sending a bid in last second to have the highest bid for the day and they win because they are a bird rights team?

Nah bird right teams should still have the same time delay to sign someone as anyone else. They get the benefit of the 5th year..there shouldn't be any more than that.

Just in general, what are the issues with releasing players in different tiers? The bird rights thing was an issue, but seems like an easy fix if they maintain a cap hold.

[bringbackhoffa]

did you read that long proposal that another GM sent bish , what if you were to take some parts of that and apply it? Like at the end of day 1 bidding if the team with bird rights has the highest offer they automatically re-sign their player. Incentivize teams with bird rights to come out with a strong offer to their bird right player and lock them up and move on to securing other players rather than being dragged out in a bidding war (aka what we saw with booker this year)

I don't like anything with tiers in it. So I didn't like the proposal. All the FA should be out at once...we tried the tiers on the original draft and it was silly IMO.

And the bird rights thing is just odd. Whats stopping a team with bird rights waiting all day not bidding once to keep there player as low as possible then sending a bid in last second to have the highest bid for the day and they win because they are a bird rights team?

Nah bird right teams should still have the same time delay to sign someone as anyone else. They get the benefit of the 5th year..there shouldn't be any more than that.

Just in general, what are the issues with releasing players in different tiers? The bird rights thing was an issue, but seems like an easy fix if they maintain a cap hold.

teams that have their bird right player released in an earlier tier would have an advantage and could move on to other business while teams with bird rights on lower tiers would have to wait it out and potentially miss out on other players

[3toheadmelo]

if teams are worried about public bids as it could evaporate steals, what if it were something like this:
The following players have received offers for over $250 per year

following players have received offers for less than $100-250 per year.

and lastly the below players have received offers for less than $100 per year

That does nothing to prevent steals. That just makes it 10x worse and you’re literally saying which players are going for low. You’re essentially putting all the bids to public.

Didn’t we just agree on freezing periods and keeping them private? Why are you guys complicating things?

[Smash3]

if teams are worried about public bids as it could evaporate steals, what if it were something like this:
The following players have received offers for over $250 per year

following players have received offers for less than $100-250 per year.

and lastly the below players have received offers for less than $100 per year

[bringbackhoffa]

if teams are worried about public bids as it could evaporate steals, what if it were something like this:
The following players have received offers for over $250 per year

following players have received offers for less than $100-250 per year.

and lastly the below players have received offers for less than $100 per year

That does nothing to prevent steals. That just makes it 10x worse and you’re literally saying which players are going for low. You’re essentially putting all the bids to public.

Didn’t we just agree on freezing periods and keeping them private? Why are you guys complicating things?

that's true, freezing periods seems like the most plausible way to run things. im just trying to figure out a way where bish doesnt receive or have to respond to certain offers that are not close to the current highest bid. like i find it a waste of bish time if ingram has an offer for 300/4 and someone submits an offer for 150/4 that he has to respond to that offer

[Capn'O]

I thought we all agreed to keep everything private and roll with freezing periods. Now we’re putting ranges out to the public? No steals gonna be happening. If we’re going public then minimum bids should be implemented.

The opposing argument is that I specifically didn't inquire about certain players for the sole reason that I didn't want to burden Bish. There was abundant information that I wanted but didn't ask about for that reason.

I don't think we should know who is bidding on who but what MY number is for a player should be readily available

[3toheadmelo]

if teams are worried about public bids as it could evaporate steals, what if it were something like this:
The following players have received offers for over $250 per year

following players have received offers for less than $100-250 per year.

and lastly the below players have received offers for less than $100 per year

That does nothing to prevent steals. That just makes it 10x worse and you’re literally saying which players are going for low. You’re essentially putting all the bids to public.

Didn’t we just agree on freezing periods and keeping them private? Why are you guys complicating things?

that's true, freezing periods seems like the most plausible way to run things. im just trying to figure out a way where bish doesnt receive or have to respond to certain offers that are not close to the current highest bid. like i find it a waste of bish time if ingram has an offer for 300/4 and someone submits an offer for 150/4 that he has to respond to that offer

Well let’s see how the freezing periods go. It should be fine imo. Give it a trial run next season. Doesn’t make sense to make drastic changes to the game.

[Deeeez Knicks]

I don't like anything with tiers in it. So I didn't like the proposal. All the FA should be out at once...we tried the tiers on the original draft and it was silly IMO.

And the bird rights thing is just odd. Whats stopping a team with bird rights waiting all day not bidding once to keep there player as low as possible then sending a bid in last second to have the highest bid for the day and they win because they are a bird rights team?

Nah bird right teams should still have the same time delay to sign someone as anyone else. They get the benefit of the 5th year..there shouldn't be any more than that.

Just in general, what are the issues with releasing players in different tiers? The bird rights thing was an issue, but seems like an easy fix if they maintain a cap hold.

teams that have their bird right player released in an earlier tier would have an advantage and could move on to other business while teams with bird rights on lower tiers would have to wait it out and potentially miss out on other players

But even in the current system, its not much different. You still have to wait it out and still miss out on other players. If anything, there is probably more of a chance you miss out on players in the current system imo.

[Smash3]

I thought we all agreed to keep everything private and roll with freezing periods. Now we’re putting ranges out to the public? No steals gonna be happening. If we’re going public then minimum bids should be implemented.

The opposing argument is that I specifically didn't inquire about certain players for the sole reason that I didn't want to burden Bish. There was abundant information that I wanted but didn't ask about for that reason.

I don't think we should know who is bidding on who but what MY number is for a player should be readily available

You would get the number for your player when you submit a bid though? Having numbers readily available only makes it so you have numbers available for all players – not your player.

[3toheadmelo]

I thought we all agreed to keep everything private and roll with freezing periods. Now we’re putting ranges out to the public? No steals gonna be happening. If we’re going public then minimum bids should be implemented.

The opposing argument is that I specifically didn't inquire about certain players for the sole reason that I didn't want to burden Bish. There was abundant information that I wanted but didn't ask about for that reason.

Bish said the inquires isn’t that bad though. He said not much teams do it. It’s really the amount of bids that’s killing him. That’s what the freezing period is supposed to help him with.

[bringbackhoffa]

I thought we all agreed to keep everything private and roll with freezing periods. Now we’re putting ranges out to the public? No steals gonna be happening. If we’re going public then minimum bids should be implemented.

The opposing argument is that I specifically didn't inquire about certain players for the sole reason that I didn't want to burden Bish. There was abundant information that I wanted but didn't ask about for that reason.

Bish said the inquires isn’t that bad though. He said not much teams do it. It’s really the amount of bids that’s killing him. That’s what the freezing period is supposed to help him with.

But that was inquiries from only a handful of teams with cap space. Imagine a summer with 30 teams with close to max space and keeping tabs on their bird right players. You could see teams asking bish 2 or 3 times a day what the high bid is on their bird right player

[mpharris36]

I thought we all agreed to keep everything private and roll with freezing periods. Now we’re putting ranges out to the public? No steals gonna be happening. If we’re going public then minimum bids should be implemented.

The opposing argument is that I specifically didn't inquire about certain players for the sole reason that I didn't want to burden Bish. There was abundant information that I wanted but didn't ask about for that reason.

Bish said the inquires isn’t that bad though. He said not much teams do it. It’s really the amount of bids that’s killing him. That’s what the freezing period is supposed to help him with.

however he did agree with my post that he assumes inquiries will go way up as the league will have everyone with a ton of money. I think the reason this whole situation was brought up because 2022 FA will be like no other.

If it was we would just keep everything the same.

[bringbackhoffa]

or maybe just do a range for the tier 1 free agents, im assuming we can agree their likely will not be any steals on the 4 star plus players?