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Re: Indiana Pacers Draft Pick Watch Thread 

Post#1801 » by emunney » Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:01 pm

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emunney wrote:Toppin is by no means a good defender but I don't think he's quite as bad as everyone's saying. His technique needs a lot of work and he's a one effort guy (this is also part of why he's not a better rebounder -- no pursuit). I'd be surprised if he's ever a good defender, but he could end up being Tobias level for sure, which is workable, while being a more explosive offensive threat.

Can technique fix his freakshow level high center of gravity though? He'll never be able to flip his hips adequately. Not his fault, but pretty damning if you are asking him to defend out on the perimeter.


Well, he's got to get stronger in the middle of his body. He's high cut but he plays higher than he needs to, and he slouches/rounds his back. If he's defending the perimeter he's got to be in a stance where he can actually move laterally, but he's also got to use his length. He's not going to be defending many guys who'll be both a threat to blow by him and pull up on him, except on switches, where he'll just have to shade and expect help. Most importantly, none of these problems are unique to him. Avidja, who I really like, has a lot of the same issues.

Overall I just feel like he's gotten the tag as bad defender but there are a lot of guys who are not that much better off on that end. I have him in the back half of the lotto mainly because of his age. He's 22, if he's going to be a NBA player, he better be destroying the A-10. He played two high majors this year with frontcourt prospects and he didn't outclass either one of them (Dok and T. Bey).
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Re: Indiana Pacers Draft Pick Watch Thread 

Post#1802 » by machu46 » Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:02 pm

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emunney wrote:Toppin is by no means a good defender but I don't think he's quite as bad as everyone's saying. His technique needs a lot of work and he's a one effort guy (this is also part of why he's not a better rebounder -- no pursuit). I'd be surprised if he's ever a good defender, but he could end up being Tobias level for sure, which is workable, while being a more explosive offensive threat.

Can technique fix his freakshow level high center of gravity though? He'll never be able to flip his hips adequately. Not his fault, but pretty damning if you are asking him to defend out on the perimeter.


I think it was Mike Schmitz that put it this way and cracked me up...he looks like he's standing on stilts when he tries to defend on the perimeter.
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Re: Indiana Pacers Draft Pick Watch Thread 

Post#1803 » by SupremeHustle » Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:05 pm

Seems like a lot of the media types are saying LeMelo is going #1.
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Re: Indiana Pacers Draft Pick Watch Thread 

Post#1804 » by machu46 » Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:06 pm

SupremeHustle wrote:Seems like a lot of the media types are saying LeMelo is going #1.


He should. It's still pretty mixed though. The ESPN people and The Athletic people say it's widely expected to be LaMelo while Sports Illustrated and The Ringer continue to say they're hearing he slides to the 4-7 range.
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Re: Indiana Pacers Draft Pick Watch Thread 

Post#1805 » by emunney » Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:08 pm

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SupremeHustle wrote:Seems like a lot of the media types are saying LeMelo is going #1.


He should. It's still pretty mixed though. The ESPN people and The Athletic people say it's widely expected to be LaMelo while Sports Illustrated and The Ringer continue to say they're hearing he slides to the 4-7 range.


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Post#1806 » by Ron Swanson » Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:10 pm

Really hoping for a 2013 Anthony Bennett type shocker and the Wolves take Patrick Williams (I can actually see this happening).
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Post#1807 » by SupremeHustle » Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:21 pm

I checked out Toppin so I can be one of the cool kids.

I can see why teams would be excited. He has flashes of Amare and Horford on the offensive end. But I also see flashes of Joe Alexander and UCLA Legend Dan Gadzuric. He also plays defense like a computer-controlled NBA Live player on rookie setting. I don't think it's only physical ability. My dude seems to be out of position or rely on his physical skills too much. Fine if you're 19/20. A little more troublesome when you're the ripe old age of 22.
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Post#1808 » by Chuck Diesel » Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:54 pm

Bolmaro needs at least two more seasons in Spain imo. I'm not seeing it right now. Shooting and body are not close to NBA caliber. Zoran Planinic vibes.
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Post#1809 » by WeekapaugGroove » Tue Nov 10, 2020 11:27 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Really hoping for a 2013 Anthony Bennett type shocker and the Wolves take Patrick Williams (I can actually see this happening).
My prediction if there's a 'shocker' at 1 it's Haliburton. Wolves can't find a trade so take the safe guy who would be a good fit on that roster.

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Post#1810 » by machu46 » Wed Nov 11, 2020 2:51 pm

ESPN published their "Grade A" mock draft in which they take turns picking who they would personally choose for each team. I don't think it's behind the paywall, but in case it is, I'll publish the picks below. This mock also includes player ratings in different categories as well as potential ratings for each category (ex: they consider LaMelo a 74 shooter right now which is a touch below league average with 91 shooting potential, which would be a major strength).
https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/29861481/nba-draft-2020-perfect-picks-every-team-first-round

1. LaMelo Ball
2. James Wiseman
3. Onyeka Okongwu
4. Anthony Edwards
5. Tyrese Haliburton
6. Deni Avdija
7. Obi Toppin
8. Killian Hayes
9. Isaac Okoro
10. Tyrese Maxey
11. Devin Vassell
12. Patrick Williams
13. Jalen Smith
14. Precious Achiuwa
15. Aaron Nesmith
16. RJ Hampton
17. Saddiq Bey
18. Kira Lewis
19. Jaden McDaniels
20. Josh Green
21. Leandro Bolmaro
22. Cole Anthony
23. Theo Maledon
24. Malachi Flynn
25. Cassius Winston
26. Aleksej Pokusevski
27. Desmond Bane
28. Nico Mannion
29. Tyrell Terry
30. Udoka Azuibuicke
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Re: Indiana Pacers Draft Pick Watch Thread 

Post#1811 » by Ron Swanson » Wed Nov 11, 2020 2:54 pm

I usually just say to take the guy you like the most and not worry about draft value, but at #1 you should always take the best talent regardless of position. Maybe you rule out Wiseman in this case, but Haliburton would be way too much of a reach IMO. It'd be like picking George Hill #1 overall.

Now, was prime George Hill a pretty damn good player? Absolutely. But you can't justify that selection when you're a team that's still so far away from contending, as the Wolves are.
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Post#1813 » by emunney » Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:04 pm

I have no problem picking Haliburton #1. I might do it myself. He's the best basketball player in the draft, he's 20 years old, he's on a rocket trajectory. What's not to like exactly?
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Post#1814 » by mke_design » Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:35 pm

What are thoughts on Malachi Flynn?
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Post#1815 » by Ruzious » Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:42 pm

emunney wrote:I have no problem picking Haliburton #1. I might do it myself. He's the best basketball player in the draft, he's 20 years old, he's on a rocket trajectory. What's not to like exactly?

The general view is that there is no rocket trajectory - he's a super solid player without a super star ceiling - he's not likely going to be a player who creates off the dribble, he's not a great athlete, and he's a bit lacking in strength due to his thin frame. But he has a very high floor and exceptional BBIQ at both ends of the floor and should be an outstanding 3 point shooter. Great hands on defense.
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Post#1816 » by Ruzious » Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:46 pm

mke_design wrote:What are thoughts on Malachi Flynn?

I'm a fan. He's almost like a much shorter Halliburton - another high BBIQ player who can really shoot and is a pest on defense. Obviously, his size is going to be an issue, but he'll be effective off the bench.
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Re: Indiana Pacers Draft Pick Watch Thread 

Post#1817 » by Ron Swanson » Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:49 pm

If we keep the pick I'm pretty zeroed in on Woodard, but I feel like a lot of people still sleeping on Cassius Stanley.
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Post#1818 » by machu46 » Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:50 pm

mke_design wrote:What are thoughts on Malachi Flynn?


He seems fine but I expect better PG prospects to be available at 24.
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Post#1819 » by emunney » Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:52 pm

Ruzious wrote:
emunney wrote:I have no problem picking Haliburton #1. I might do it myself. He's the best basketball player in the draft, he's 20 years old, he's on a rocket trajectory. What's not to like exactly?

The general view is that there is no rocket trajectory - he's a super solid player without a super star ceiling - he's not likely going to be a player who creates off the dribble, he's not a great athlete, and he's a bit lacking in strength due to his thin frame. But he has a very high floor and exceptional BBIQ at both ends of the floor and should be an outstanding 3 point shooter. Great hands on defense.


Objectively there is, though. This guy was a 6-2 three star recruit. Now he's a 6-6 lottery pick.
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Post#1820 » by RiotPunch » Wed Nov 11, 2020 10:03 pm

emunney wrote:I have no problem picking Haliburton #1. I might do it myself. He's the best basketball player in the draft, he's 20 years old, he's on a rocket trajectory. What's not to like exactly?

Self creation and finishing, mainly. No bonafide primary initiators this year though, making any number of dudes defensible at #1. Ant is the closest thing to a #1 type, but he has mashed potatoes between his ears.
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