Im Coming Home wrote:Yesss
BallSac is back, and he's bringing conspiracy theories now. Can't wait to dunk on him some more, it'll be fun.
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Im Coming Home wrote:Yesss
BallSac is back, and he's bringing conspiracy theories now. Can't wait to dunk on him some more, it'll be fun.
GONYK wrote:j4remi wrote:GONYK wrote:?s=19
Lost seats in the House.
Lost state legislatures that will handle redistricting.
Have to win GA run-offs to get enough Senators for Joe Manchin to be the deciding vote on legislation for the foreseeable future.This is the triumph of low expectations despite the fact that all the people celebrating had much higher aspirations right up until the polls closed.
It might also be the downfall of overinflated expectations.
If the polling was always wrong, and this was really a 3-4 pt race all along, people wouldn't have expected 55 seats in the Senate and expanding the House.
Oscirus wrote:and to top it all off, every single clown that managed to **** this cycle up are back in the same positions they were in prior to this
Im Coming Home wrote:Yesss
BallSac is back, and he's bringing conspiracy theories now. Can't wait to dunk on him some more, it'll be fun.
HarthorneWingo wrote:Im Coming Home wrote:Yesss
BallSac is back, and he's bringing conspiracy theories now. Can't wait to dunk on him some more, it'll be fun.
Im Coming Home wrote:GONYK wrote:?s=19
Manchin is a fake democrat, so unfortunately while we'd have the 'majority' if we pull off Georgia, we won't actually have it.
j4remi wrote:GONYK wrote:j4remi wrote:
Lost seats in the House.
Lost state legislatures that will handle redistricting.
Have to win GA run-offs to get enough Senators for Joe Manchin to be the deciding vote on legislation for the foreseeable future.This is the triumph of low expectations despite the fact that all the people celebrating had much higher aspirations right up until the polls closed.
It might also be the downfall of overinflated expectations.
If the polling was always wrong, and this was really a 3-4 pt race all along, people wouldn't have expected 55 seats in the Senate and expanding the House.
That doesn't change the impact of downballot failure. I could have used the material conditions of the country to set expectations above what we got. I could have pointed at Trump's crappy approval ratings too. The horse race guys gave cover for Dems not to accept critiques about strategy, so I'm cool with tossing those guys out the window but it's not erasing the end results of this election. Between the constraints of the Senate, the loss of leverage in the House and the conservatism pervasive in the Judicial branch...strategies that involve actually wanting to accomplish things through the system as it stands took a massive hit for the Dems.
Getting rid of Trump was crucial but it wasn't the be all end all. If material improvements were anything beyond a tertiary concern, I can't see a person celebrating when the conditions Biden walks into are going to be daunting even if everything falls perfectly from here on out.
j4remi wrote:Oscirus wrote:and to top it all off, every single clown that managed to **** this cycle up are back in the same positions they were in prior to this
That's absolutely where my critique falls here. The same screw ups keep failing upward (word to Tom Perez). This isn't me demanding that progressive values or anything like that. But if you're going to forcefeed us centrists, the least you can do is stop letting mediocrity dominate the lead roles and then blame progressives for 2 decades of failure that keeps getting covered up by "our presidential candidate won the popular vote."
I don't like Hakeem Jeffries but if he runs against Pelosi for House leadership, I'll back him for the simple fact that he's not Nancy Pelosi. Heads should roll over losing seats in the House...and I say that understanding that Progressives gained some leverage over the rest of the party since we gained a few and the blue dogs lost all their swing candidates this cycle
j4remi wrote:Oscirus wrote:and to top it all off, every single clown that managed to **** this cycle up are back in the same positions they were in prior to this
That's absolutely where my critique falls here. The same screw ups keep failing upward (word to Tom Perez). This isn't me demanding that progressive values or anything like that. But if you're going to forcefeed us centrists, the least you can do is stop letting mediocrity dominate the lead roles and then blame progressives for 2 decades of failure that keeps getting covered up by "our presidential candidate won the popular vote."
I don't like Hakeem Jeffries but if he runs against Pelosi for House leadership, I'll back him for the simple fact that he's not Nancy Pelosi. Heads should roll over losing seats in the House...and I say that understanding that Progressives gained some leverage over the rest of the party since we gained a few and the blue dogs lost all their swing candidates this cycle
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Jimmit79 wrote:At this point I want RJ to get paid
Jimmit79 wrote:At this point I want RJ to get paid