BaF Season 4- Opening Night 12/1- (Announcement page 57)

[El Poochio]

If we keep the current system in we have to go back to listing FAs in batches for the big FA one man cant keep track of 200 big time FAs in live time

[3toheadmelo]

How do time freezes solve SOUL's and general issue of missing out players by timing? It will drag out the process but you can still lose out on players by simply timing no

Bish will be able to catch up on bids and won’t be behind. We won’t lose players then.

[El Poochio]

I'm more against the public bidding in terms of which team is making the offer as opposed to how much the offer is. I wouldn't be opposed to a system that lets teams know how much a player is currently available for but don't like the idea of knowing that it maybe a rival team that has placed that bid.

Like I said before my main concerns with a system like this is how we keep all of the bids legal. If teams are able to place their own bids by writing them into a spreadsheet, we would need a system that ensures that all bids are legal. It happens frequently that a team has placed multiple bids on players and one or more puts them over the cap.

I’m not a fan cause it will just allow a lot of more bad faith bids. If gms know how much players are going for in the public, then they will just be bidding to up the price of those players. This also prevents steals from happening as well, which I think is the best part of free agency. This is not much different than putting the names of the teams to the public in my eyes. Its essentially the same concept.

I am assuming those illegal bids that have put teams over the cap is because you were behind time on updating the bids so they just bid on multiple players hoping they land one of them. I think having freezing time periods would prevent that from happening.

Yea I'm also not a fan of knowing who bid on who. Knowing me and how I can get, if I see which team bid on a player I like or want I would target all of their players they are bidding on, hoping they back off the one I like.

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[3toheadmelo]

I would alternate days for bidding to make it easier for bish. This would give him breaks on bidding days so he’s not updating bids for the whole entire day and then off days to catch up on anything potentially missed. Yes this will make free agency last longer but it’s a long summer and we all get bored easily.

Monday (4 hours of bidding)
Tuesday (catch up day)
Wednesday (4 hours of bidding)
Thursday (catch up day)
Etc etc

[El Poochio]

How do time freezes solve SOUL's and general issue of missing out players by timing? It will drag out the process but you can still lose out on players by simply timing no

Bish will be able to catch up on bids and won’t be behind. We won’t lose players then.

Yes now SOUL has his money back to bid on Joe Harris, now 2010 who had his money tied up on Joe missed out on Derrick Rose who Hoffa signed while SOUL's money was tied to ongoing Gallo bid

[bringbackhoffa]

How do time freezes solve SOUL's and general issue of missing out players by timing? It will drag out the process but you can still lose out on players by simply timing no

Bish will be able to catch up on bids and won’t be behind. We won’t lose players then.

i think you are underestimating the 2022 free agency class and the amount of teams that have cap space. we had like 5 teams with cap space over $300 i think this year and we got behind.. a couple hour freeze i dont think will be sufficient. i like the idea but there is so much money in 2022 compared to this year. i honestly see well over 500PM a day if not close to 1000 PM every day

[mpharris36]

I would alternate days for bidding to make it easier for bish. This would give him breaks on bidding days so he’s not updating bids for the whole entire day and then off days to catch up on anything potentially missed. Yes this will make free agency last longer but it’s a long summer and we all get bored easily.

Monday (4 hours of bidding)
Tuesday (catch up day)
Wednesday (4 hours of bidding)
Thursday (catch up day)
Etc etc

if he down to do that sure. But I'm just pointing out that every other day with bidding is going to be a complete dumpster fire for bish and that will last for weeks for the 2022 FA (im talking potentially hundreds to potentially a 1000 pms with 30 GMs able to spend money). He still would be have to check constantly so teams during that day knew if they were winning or losing on a player so they could pivot on another player. I'm not sure we can put that all on him.

But its really up to him.

[3toheadmelo]

How do time freezes solve SOUL's and general issue of missing out players by timing? It will drag out the process but you can still lose out on players by simply timing no

Bish will be able to catch up on bids and won’t be behind. We won’t lose players then.

i think you are underestimating the 2022 free agency class and the amount of teams that have cap space. we had like 5 teams with cap space over $300 i think this year and we got behind.. a couple hour freeze i dont think will be sufficient. i like the idea but there is so much money in 2022 compared to this year. i honestly see well over 500PM a day if not close to 1000 PM every day

Look at the schedule I posted. It’s not just a couple of hours freeze.

[Deeeez Knicks]

If we keep the current system in we have to go back to listing FAs in batches for the big FA one man cant keep track of 200 big time FAs in live time

Yea, that seems like the simplest way to reduce the frenzy without changing too much. There are just too many players/bids to keep track of at one time. Just seems like too much to release everyone at one time.

[Slicin N Dicin]

i'm definitely in agreement that we shouldn't list what teams are bidding on which player...but knowing what I have to bid to get a certain player or knowing the current high bid on a player will definitely make things easier on bish for 2022. I'd be open to that for sure.

[bishnykfan]

How do time freezes solve SOUL's and general issue of missing out players by timing? It will drag out the process but you can still lose out on players by simply timing no

and it still doesn't solve the full issue of still relying on bish to do everything. It just gives him slightly more down time. But he still would be absolutely flooded with pm's...especially with the 2022 FA.

I know people want anonymity but we also have to understand the league doesn't run without bish and he 2022 will be a sh*t show. I know it...and then with so many bids there will be so many delays in terms of knowing who is winning a bid an who isn't. Only way to solve that is real time bidding and updating...and we can keep the team names Anonymous im sure..I just need to find a way to do that while still keeping the FA ranking formula to work.

I took a look at your spreadsheet at it is completely foreign to me. The only thing I understood was that melo would say you made him overpay for Frank.

Honestly, I would definitely need a tutorial on that because I have no idea how that would work. Like I said, I'm not computer savvy enough to do something like that on my own.

2022 will not work as things are now. This year's FA lasted 3-4 days. Two years from now, with all of the players available and all of the cap space I would assume that FA will last a minimum of 7-10 days. I will say straight up that I can not do what I did this year for a week straight. My idea with the freezes would definitely not solve all issues. It would drag out FA a few days beyond even the 7-10 days. I would guess FA would last closer to a 3-4 weeks (which is probably more realistic anyway). By allowing a time with no bids to be made would give me that time I needed this year to get everything caught up. It should also allow teams to have more time themselves during the FA period and probably not have to be online as often. Timing will still be an issue but it should become less of an issue if the time period that players will sign in is extended. It's basically making players sit for 8 hours instead of 6 before they sign and gives me the chance to catch up.

Just an idea...I like hearing all of these other ideas too and definitely not discounting any of them.

[bringbackhoffa]

If we keep the current system in we have to go back to listing FAs in batches for the big FA one man cant keep track of 200 big time FAs in live time

Yea, that seems like the simplest way to reduce the frenzy without changing too much. There are just too many players/bids to keep track of at one time. Just seems like too much to release everyone at one time.

the issue with tier could be what if durant comes out day 1 and giannis comes out day 10, team that signs durant with bird rights gets a head start while team with giannis bird rights has to wait it out since he has to keep cap space for his most important player. unless every teams top 2 or 3 players get released in the initial tiers

[3toheadmelo]

I would alternate days for bidding to make it easier for bish. This would give him breaks on bidding days so he’s not updating bids for the whole entire day and then off days to catch up on anything potentially missed. Yes this will make free agency last longer but it’s a long summer and we all get bored easily.

Monday (4 hours of bidding)
Tuesday (catch up day)
Wednesday (4 hours of bidding)
Thursday (catch up day)
Etc etc

if he down to do that sure. But I'm just pointing out that every other day with bidding is going to be a complete dumpster fire for bish and that will last for weeks for the 2022 FA (im talking potentially hundreds to potentially a 1000 pms with 30 GMs able to spend money). He still would be have to check constantly so teams during that day knew if they were winning or losing on a player so they could pivot on another player. I'm not sure we can put that all on him.

But its really up to him.

Well what I proposed should be making the load for bish significantly less imo. He will be having plenty of time to catch up and rest. But if he doesn’t want to go with this then I won’t argue. I just prefer something like this which would be a minor change instead of changing the whole dynamics of free agency with making the bids basically public.

[mpharris36]

I would alternate days for bidding to make it easier for bish. This would give him breaks on bidding days so he’s not updating bids for the whole entire day and then off days to catch up on anything potentially missed. Yes this will make free agency last longer but it’s a long summer and we all get bored easily.

Monday (4 hours of bidding)
Tuesday (catch up day)
Wednesday (4 hours of bidding)
Thursday (catch up day)
Etc etc

if he down to do that sure. But I'm just pointing out that every other day with bidding is going to be a complete dumpster fire for bish and that will last for weeks for the 2022 FA (im talking potentially hundreds to potentially a 1000 pms with 30 GMs able to spend money). He still would be have to check constantly so teams during that day knew if they were winning or losing on a player so they could pivot on another player. I'm not sure we can put that all on him.

But its really up to him.

Well what I proposed should be making the load for bish significantly less imo. He will be having plenty of time to catch up and rest. But if he doesn’t want to go with this then I won’t argue. I just prefer something like this which would be a minor change instead of changing the whole dynamics of free agency with making the bids basically public.

I don't mean to speak for him but is the catching up really what gets to him?

I think its the people asking am I winning the bid what will it take to beat the bid and get those results out in a timely matter so that if you are involved in multiple players you know where you stand on a certain player.

The freezes would allow him to catch up...but could you imagine when a freeze was lifted the amount of PM's and flooding back on his plate. I think you are just potentially covering up the real issue which is we are still relying on one man to do FA.

The only way to potentially really lessen the load for at least the 2022 FA if you want to do anonymous bids still is probably get the guys to come out in tiers...its the only way to make a real impact IMO if you want to keep the same way we have been doing it.

[bishnykfan]

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[mpharris36]

How do time freezes solve SOUL's and general issue of missing out players by timing? It will drag out the process but you can still lose out on players by simply timing no

and it still doesn't solve the full issue of still relying on bish to do everything. It just gives him slightly more down time. But he still would be absolutely flooded with pm's...especially with the 2022 FA.

I know people want anonymity but we also have to understand the league doesn't run without bish and he 2022 will be a sh*t show. I know it...and then with so many bids there will be so many delays in terms of knowing who is winning a bid an who isn't. Only way to solve that is real time bidding and updating...and we can keep the team names Anonymous im sure..I just need to find a way to do that while still keeping the FA ranking formula to work.

I took a look at your spreadsheet at it is completely foreign to me. The only thing I understood was that melo would say you made him overpay for Frank.

Honestly, I would definitely need a tutorial on that because I have no idea how that would work. Like I said, I'm not computer savvy enough to do something like that on my own.

2022 will not work as things are now. This year's FA lasted 3-4 days. Two years from now, with all of the players available and all of the cap space I would assume that FA will last a minimum of 7-10 days. I will say straight up that I can not do what I did this year for a week straight. My idea with the freezes would definitely not solve all issues. It would drag out FA a few days beyond even the 7-10 days. I would guess FA would last closer to a 3-4 weeks (which is probably more realistic anyway). By allowing a time with no bids to be made would give me that time I needed this year to get everything caught up. It should also allow teams to have more time themselves during the FA period and probably not have to be online as often. Timing will still be an issue but it should become less of an issue if the time period that players will sign in is extended. It's basically making players sit for 8 hours instead of 6 before they sign and gives me the chance to catch up.

Just an idea...I like hearing all of these other ideas too and definitely not discounting any of them.

I would gladly take some time to walk you through it if you want. But everything is automated so all you would have to do is put the winning bid on the players specific tab on the top and it would in theory populate the man page.

Obviously it might be useful to you even if the league wants to continue complete anonymous bidding. But I can't imagine away we continue anonymous bidding without doing tiers again for at least the 2022 FA class.

[bringbackhoffa]

if he down to do that sure. But I'm just pointing out that every other day with bidding is going to be a complete dumpster fire for bish and that will last for weeks for the 2022 FA (im talking potentially hundreds to potentially a 1000 pms with 30 GMs able to spend money). He still would be have to check constantly so teams during that day knew if they were winning or losing on a player so they could pivot on another player. I'm not sure we can put that all on him.

But its really up to him.

Well what I proposed should be making the load for bish significantly less imo. He will be having plenty of time to catch up and rest. But if he doesn’t want to go with this then I won’t argue. I just prefer something like this which would be a minor change instead of changing the whole dynamics of free agency with making the bids basically public.

I don't mean to speak for him but is the catching up really what gets to him?

I think its the people asking am I winning the bid what will it take to beat the bid and get those results out in a timely matter so that if you are involved in multiple players you know where you stand on a certain player.

The freezes would allow him to catch up...but could you imagine when a freeze was lifted the amount of PM's and flooding back on his plate. I think you are just potentially covering up the real issue which is we are still relying on one man to do FA.

The only way to potentially really lessen the load for at least the 2022 FA if you want to do anonymous bids still is probably get the guys to come out in tiers...its the only way to make a real impact IMO if you want to keep the same way we have been doing it.

how about a system where bids on day 1 have to be at least over $200 per year? and then your tier it down from there. i think someone posted that earlier. Could still have steals but it reduces bish wasting time to responding to $50 offers for Durant

[mpharris36]

If we keep the current system in we have to go back to listing FAs in batches for the big FA one man cant keep track of 200 big time FAs in live time

Yea, that seems like the simplest way to reduce the frenzy without changing too much. There are just too many players/bids to keep track of at one time. Just seems like too much to release everyone at one time.

the issue with tier could be what if durant comes out day 1 and giannis comes out day 10, team that signs durant with bird rights gets a head start while team with giannis bird rights has to wait it out since he has to keep cap space for his most important player. unless every teams top 2 or 3 players get released in the initial tiers

the only way tiers would work if all the best playrs came out at once. Then next list of best players...then slightly worse players.

[El Poochio]

If we keep the current system in we have to go back to listing FAs in batches for the big FA one man cant keep track of 200 big time FAs in live time

Yea, that seems like the simplest way to reduce the frenzy without changing too much. There are just too many players/bids to keep track of at one time. Just seems like too much to release everyone at one time.

the issue with tier could be what if durant comes out day 1 and giannis comes out day 10, team that signs durant with bird rights gets a head start while team with giannis bird rights has to wait it out since he has to keep cap space for his most important player. unless every teams top 2 or 3 players get released in the initial tiers

Luck and randomness definitely is a factor but it still is when all players are released together since the timing of bids is the deciding factor, there will definitely be decisions need to be made that become a mini game of their own but the unpredictability also adds excitement, like how willing you are to go to keep Giannis at all costs that you are deciding to miss out on all those deals just for the chance to keep him? If someone is more patient and risk taking than you waiting specifically for Giannis at the cost of missing out other players maybe they deserve him more than you

[3toheadmelo]

if he down to do that sure. But I'm just pointing out that every other day with bidding is going to be a complete dumpster fire for bish and that will last for weeks for the 2022 FA (im talking potentially hundreds to potentially a 1000 pms with 30 GMs able to spend money). He still would be have to check constantly so teams during that day knew if they were winning or losing on a player so they could pivot on another player. I'm not sure we can put that all on him.

But its really up to him.

Well what I proposed should be making the load for bish significantly less imo. He will be having plenty of time to catch up and rest. But if he doesn’t want to go with this then I won’t argue. I just prefer something like this which would be a minor change instead of changing the whole dynamics of free agency with making the bids basically public.

I don't mean to speak for him but is the catching up really what gets to him?

I think its the people asking am I winning the bid what will it take to beat the bid and get those results out in a timely matter so that if you are involved in multiple players you know where you stand on a certain player.

The freezes would allow him to catch up...but could you imagine when a freeze was lifted the amount of PM's and flooding back on his plate. I think you are just potentially covering up the real issue which is we are still relying on one man to do FA.

The only way to potentially really lessen the load for at least the 2022 FA if you want to do anonymous bids still is probably get the guys to come out in tiers...its the only way to make a real impact IMO if you want to keep the same way we have been doing it.

The reason why people don’t know if they’re winning bids is cause he couldn’t catch up and update the bids on time. That’s what my schedule is supposed to fix. He’ll have plenty of time to get everything updated and people won’t be lost.

Bish is still going to get flooded with PM’s regardless even if we go with public. My proposal is only for a short period of time of the day while giving him a lot of time to catch up.

I think this is a lot better than changing the whole free agency.