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There seems to be this weird disconnect between some Nets fans, and prominent NBA media guys who are well sourced, and believe that Nets are in position to pull off a blockbuster superstar trade. Yes, we have the assets for those trades, it's a matter of how much we're willing to give up, and competing against other teams' offers. That means that we can make a competitive offer but not necessarily the best one.MGrand15 wrote::lol: We don't even have the assets for Beal. Harden is out of the question - unless Silver forces Houston to do it so we can make ESPN explode.
For sure, Ibaka is strictly a 5 these days and he has only played center the last two seasons. Either way, I'm not buying that we're recruiting Ibaka, I think he's well out of our price range.Papi_swav wrote:If we can somehow get Ibaka , does this mean Allen is gone? I understand Ibaka is a PF but he's probably more of a 5 at this point of his career. I just don't see how we get Ibaka without a sign and trade, I don't see Ibaka taking only 5M . And I really wouldn't want to give the Raps Allen.
Difference is that Harden is a top 5 player in the league, arguably the best offensive player in the league. Levert isn't in the same stratosphere as a player.Sharcm1 wrote:Can we not recreate the thunder team that couldn’t win a Championship. How would we get harden. Why would we get harden. How many balls are there To play with. Let’s see harden Durant and Irving are all ball dominate players. People were talking about Levert being a problem playing with Durant and Irving. Let’s bring in a more ball dominate player that won’t be a problem.
TheNetsFan wrote:
Houston feels like the first domino this offseason.
1) If they blow things completely up, that could help saturate the sell side of the trade market & force the prices of the trade market lower.
2) Even if they don't completely blow it up, could the return in a Westbrook trade help free up a trade of Covington or Tucker? e.g. If they get forwards back in a Westbrook deal, could that open up a Dinwiddie+pick for Covington type deal?
MrDollarBills wrote:It looks like Atlanta is stupid enough to trade the 6th pick in a deal to get Jrue Holiday. There's no competing with that Billy King-esque move if true.
Paradise wrote:KD attempting to recruit Ibaka to NetsKevin Durant has been recruiting close friend Serge Ibaka to join the Brooklyn Nets as a free agent, according to league sources.
Durant and Ibaka forged a strong relationship while playing together in Oklahoma City. But the veteran Ibaka, who made $23.3 million last season, would have to take a significant discount to join the Nets.
“(They're) guys that have enough leverage and relationships that they know exactly who they want to play with already and it's already written,” Butler said.
“I think there’s a handful of guys already out there, that’s about to come on the open market or already got momentum in their favor going to Brooklyn this offseason. (Kyrie and KD) know who they want to play with already,” Butler added.
Brooklyn GM Sean Marks has said the team's No. 1 priority is retaining sharpshooter Joe Harris. The Nets' depth in the frontcourt currently includes DeAndre Jordan, Jarrett Allen, Taurean Prince and Nicolas Claxton. A power forward upgrade makes a lot of sense if Durant is going to spend a lot of time at the three spot.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikemazzeo/2020/11/11/sources-kevin-durant-has-tried-to-recruit-serge-ibaka-to-sign-with-brooklyn-nets/
Sharcm1 wrote:Can we not recreate the thunder team that couldn’t win a Championship. How would we get harden. Why would we get harden. How many balls are there To play with. Let’s see harden Durant and Irving are all ball dominate players. People were talking about Levert being a problem playing with Durant and Irving. Let’s bring in a more ball dominate player that won’t be a problem.
ecuhus1981 wrote:MrDollarBills wrote:It looks like Atlanta is stupid enough to trade the 6th pick in a deal to get Jrue Holiday. There's no competing with that Billy King-esque move if true.
It reminds me so much of us with Gerald Wallace, and the 6th pick that King deemed worthless and ended up being Damian Lillard. Except Atlanta would be getting a full season of an impending free agent, where we only got 3 months. And, ya know, Jrue 》》》》》 Crash.
But still, I scratch my head at the Hawks' decision making. IMO, they are more than Holiday away from a playoff spot, their defense is fundamentally flawed.
Prokorov wrote:ecuhus1981 wrote:MrDollarBills wrote:It looks like Atlanta is stupid enough to trade the 6th pick in a deal to get Jrue Holiday. There's no competing with that Billy King-esque move if true.
It reminds me so much of us with Gerald Wallace, and the 6th pick that King deemed worthless and ended up being Damian Lillard. Except Atlanta would be getting a full season of an impending free agent, where we only got 3 months. And, ya know, Jrue 》》》》》 Crash.
But still, I scratch my head at the Hawks' decision making. IMO, they are more than Holiday away from a playoff spot, their defense is fundamentally flawed.
The situations are not very similar. They have a young star in trae young and a another excellent young player in Collins.
Thats a 30/10 point guard and a 21/10 big who shot 40% from three.
they also have D'andre Hunter, Reddish, and Huerter and some nice bigs with dedmond/Capella. and a good dirt dog role guy in bembry.
they dont need another young player. they need an in prime 2-way vet bulldog. and thats Jrue.
We had what an in-prime deron williams and... brook lopez? we lacked young talent, depth, bigs, smalls, shooters. Atlanta has a TON more to work with then we had.
Young | Jrue | Hunter | Collins | Capella
Bembry | Reddish | Huerter | Dedmon
thats a really strong really deep team that now has 3 plus defenders in the startling lineup and a ton of shooting/scoring
DarkXaero wrote:Difference is that Harden is a top 5 player in the league, arguably the best offensive player in the league. Levert isn't in the same stratosphere as a player.Sharcm1 wrote:Can we not recreate the thunder team that couldn’t win a Championship. How would we get harden. Why would we get harden. How many balls are there To play with. Let’s see harden Durant and Irving are all ball dominate players. People were talking about Levert being a problem playing with Durant and Irving. Let’s bring in a more ball dominate player that won’t be a problem.
Sharcm1 wrote:DarkXaero wrote:Difference is that Harden is a top 5 player in the league, arguably the best offensive player in the league. Levert isn't in the same stratosphere as a player.Sharcm1 wrote:Can we not recreate the thunder team that couldn’t win a Championship. How would we get harden. Why would we get harden. How many balls are there To play with. Let’s see harden Durant and Irving are all ball dominate players. People were talking about Levert being a problem playing with Durant and Irving. Let’s bring in a more ball dominate player that won’t be a problem.
Which actually makes my point. He has to have the ball even more than levert but it’s some how will work with harden but not levert. We don’t need three ball dominate players on the team. It won’t work. It didn’t work with the thunder
Rich Rane wrote:I think we're all missing the point here. vc4pres needs to stop watching games.
ecuhus1981 wrote:I'm not for bringing in lesser ball-dominant players like Beal and Lavine to take shots away from Kevin and Kyrie. But when you have an opportunity to add Harden, without moving either of your two best players, you move heaven and Earth, and figure out the details later. I'm a big defense guy, and even I can say when you can add a superstar, do it.
Rich Rane wrote:I think we're all missing the point here. vc4pres needs to stop watching games.
He is referring to Bitcoin.
ecuhus1981 wrote:We all know that your love affair with Hunter is undying, so you probably see more with that lineup than the rest of us do.
Tell me this: does that team take a playoff spot away from Milwaukee? Boston? Miami? Us? Toronto? Philly? Indiana? Much can happen in the offseason, but unless a GM slips on a banana peel, I don't think so.
Atlanta with Holiday has a real shot at the #8 seed now that Orlando lost Isaac and may lose other free agents. But Washington, Chicago and others would have something to say about that. Even if they make the playoffs and get swept, does that do anything to their trajectory? I don't think that squeaking into the playoffs convinces Trae or John to stay long-term. I don't even think it would be enough to keep Jrue, so you've lost Huerter and the #6 for a year of semi- relevance. The Hawks can have him.