2019-2020 College/Draft thread 13: One week to go

[WargamesX]

Keith Smith backtracking fast again.

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What a clown. We can just not post him now. he's not being told anything.

This the same dude who said Knicks don’t want to take bad contracts..... oh wait yeah they are open to taking bad contracts.

[god shammgod]

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No. We need to trade for Batum to get off Randle.

Charlotte seems dumb enough to trade for Westbrook.

Which is good so he doesn't go to the Knicks, but bad because they don't take Randle.

But also good, since it eats up their cap space in one swell foop.

when where they actually taking randle ? that's something that exists only on this board. didn't mills try to trade for a worst contract in rozier and they still wanted a pick for taking randle ? we're stuck with ol spin mode.

[Chanel Bomber]

Would anyone trade for Westbrook with Houston's unprotected 2028 and 2030 first round picks attached?

[HerSports85]

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[HEZI]

Would anyone trade for Westbrook with Houston's unprotected 2028 and 2030 first round picks attached?

3 years of Westbrook doesn't guarantee I'll still be alive by then so NO!

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Really not high on Kira, I feel like if he didn't look a little like Morant he'd be going in the 20s, but those locks and being 6'2"-6'3" got people looking at him like he's the next point god . Nothing really jumps out about him other than his speed, he's not really that quick in the halfcourt, he's not explosive, he's not a great shooter, he seems like your standard PG. I don't see someone like him ever being a top 5 guy at PG, so why is there such overt love for him?

I'd rather take a chance on Hayes or even Terry, especially since I wonder how a guy like Lewis will transition from always having the ball, to having to learn to play off it because RJ will need it as well. At least with Terry there's an elite skill there that could turn him into a valuable off ball player, and with Hayes he has the size to play the 2. Really, I don't like Maxey or Lewis, they're like the standard "Me too" PG where nothing really stands out. They're also at a size where you can't play them at the 2, so if you draft them they absolutely have to be your starting PG, or else it's a wasted pick since they can't be anything else.

we need more of this FUD(Fear Uncertainty and Doubt) spread about Kira so we can make sure we get him.

to answer your question Kira is:
- in the 99 percentile at creating quality shoots for his teammates. Basically that means he is getting in the lane at will and kicking out to his teammates for WIDE OPEN looks..
- in the 89th percentile at catch and shoot
- In the 79th percentile at shooting off the dribble

ok so those are just the advanced stats how can you argue with them? I mean damn they look stellar. When you watch him play his speed definitely passes the eye test.

And to address your negatives. I've heard people say he does need to get a running start because his quickness isnt that great in the halfcourt. I don't necessarily agree with that. I think once he adds strength he is going to blow by defenders more easily. and even if he doesnt get strength he is still going to be a blur coming off that high pick and roll which Thibs loves to run. As for defensive versatility you are right he will only be able to play one position.

It's not FUD, it's legitimate concerns, he's a slight PG that isn't really that quick so what exactly happens when he starts putting on more mass? Usually when someone is built like Kira they are exceedingly quick and explosive off the ground, he is neither, he's got great straight line speed but isn't a great athlete. I don't care about advanced stats like that, advanced stats are why Markelle Fultz was the top pick in his draft over Tatum. I ask, what makes him stand out among NBA point guards? How does he project out as a starter on a good team, not what his stats were on a bad Bama team.

I just don't see anything special at all, PG is the deepest position in the league, does he ever even crack the top 10 at that position? Right now, you have all these guys under 25 :

Jamal Murray
DeJounte Murray
Trae Young
De'Aron Fox
JA Morant
SGA
D. Russell

Getting into the top 10 of PGs in the league is going to be extremely difficult. Which is also why I'm just not that high on any of the smaller PGs in this draft outside of Terry. I can understand LaMelo, Haliburton and Hayes because of their size, but these other guys who are all around 6'2"-6'3" that don't have 1 great singular skill, nah man, it's just playing Russian roulette.

[mpharris36]

I mean if the hornets in theory traded Rozier and Zeller for Westbrook I don't think thats a bad move for them. They will get no free agents anyway.

[robillionaire]

Would anyone trade for Westbrook with Houston's unprotected 2028 and 2030 first round picks attached?

yes. houston wouldn't do that though

[robillionaire]

Really not high on Kira, I feel like if he didn't look a little like Morant he'd be going in the 20s, but those locks and being 6'2"-6'3" got people looking at him like he's the next point god . Nothing really jumps out about him other than his speed, he's not really that quick in the halfcourt, he's not explosive, he's not a great shooter, he seems like your standard PG. I don't see someone like him ever being a top 5 guy at PG, so why is there such overt love for him?

I'd rather take a chance on Hayes or even Terry, especially since I wonder how a guy like Lewis will transition from always having the ball, to having to learn to play off it because RJ will need it as well. At least with Terry there's an elite skill there that could turn him into a valuable off ball player, and with Hayes he has the size to play the 2. Really, I don't like Maxey or Lewis, they're like the standard "Me too" PG where nothing really stands out. They're also at a size where you can't play them at the 2, so if you draft them they absolutely have to be your starting PG, or else it's a wasted pick since they can't be anything else.

we need more of this FUD(Fear Uncertainty and Doubt) spread about Kira so we can make sure we get him.

to answer your question Kira is:
- in the 99 percentile at creating quality shoots for his teammates. Basically that means he is getting in the lane at will and kicking out to his teammates for WIDE OPEN looks..
- in the 89th percentile at catch and shoot
- In the 79th percentile at shooting off the dribble

ok so those are just the advanced stats how can you argue with them? I mean damn they look stellar. When you watch him play his speed definitely passes the eye test.

And to address your negatives. I've heard people say he does need to get a running start because his quickness isnt that great in the halfcourt. I don't necessarily agree with that. I think once he adds strength he is going to blow by defenders more easily. and even if he doesnt get strength he is still going to be a blur coming off that high pick and roll which Thibs loves to run. As for defensive versatility you are right he will only be able to play one position.

It's not FUD, it's legitimate concerns, he's a slight PG that isn't really that quick so what exactly happens when he starts putting on more mass? Usually when someone is built like Kira they are exceedingly quick and explosive off the ground, he is neither, he's got great straight line speed but isn't a great athlete. I don't care about advanced stats like that, advanced stats are why Markelle Fultz was the top pick in his draft over Tatum. I ask, what makes him stand out among NBA point guards? How does he project out as a starter on a good team, not what his stats were on a bad Bama team.

I just don't see anything special at all, PG is the deepest position in the league, does he ever even crack the top 10 at that position? Right now, you have all these guys under 25 :

Jamal Murray
DeJounte Murray
Trae Young
De'Aron Fox
JA Morant
SGA
D. Russell

Getting into the top 10 of PGs in the league is going to be extremely difficult. Which is also why I'm just not that high on any of the smaller PGs in this draft outside of Terry. I can understand LaMelo, Haliburton and Hayes because of their size, but these other guys who are all around 6'2"-6'3" that don't have 1 great singular skill, nah man, it's just playing Russian roulette.

I agree with you, I was never impressed by watching him in college, I don't see anything special about him either, mid first round okay I guess take him but it would be crazy to take him at 8 and I can't help but hope there's no way the knicks would do this

[Richard4444]

Would anyone trade for Westbrook with Houston's unprotected 2028 and 2030 first round picks attached?

I can be mistaken but I think they cant trade a pick more than 7 years ahead.

[F N 11]

Let the hornets be the new knicks. We developing our own star power over here.

FVV "I like RJ, I like him a lot he's good"
Embiid "That mf came out of nowhere and blocked my shot, he got some long ass arms" on Mitch

[Tron Carter]

Would anyone trade for Westbrook with Houston's unprotected 2028 and 2030 first round picks attached?

yes. houston wouldn't do that though

Houston will realize sooner or later that Westbrook is an a albatross and give up on delusions of receiving any significant return for him. They can’t start the season with Harden and Westbrook on the same team.

[Deeeez Knicks]

I mean if the hornets in theory traded Rozier and Zeller for Westbrook I don't think thats a bad move for them. They will get no free agents anyway.

Then we can still send them Randle for Batum and a 2nd rounder so they can save some dough and put together that Wiseman/Randle front court

[bleedblue3303]

The more and more I think about it. You offer Mitch and maybe something else for number 3 draft Edwards who has the highest upside in the entire draft. At 8 you take Owhango or move Randle to the 5 and draft Kira, Terry, Maxey, etc.

[god shammgod]

The more and more I think about it. You offer Mitch and maybe something else for number 3 draft Edwards who has the highest upside in the entire draft. At 8 you take Owhango or move Randle to the 5 and draft Kira, Terry, Maxey, etc.

then stop thinking about it

[god shammgod]

I mean if the hornets in theory traded Rozier and Zeller for Westbrook I don't think thats a bad move for them. They will get no free agents anyway.

Then we can still send them Randle for Batum and a 2nd rounder so they can save some dough and put together that Wiseman/Randle front court

making melo's dreams come true

[god shammgod]

and who the hell is owhango lol

[SelbyCobra]

With regards to Wiggins, I can't see any NBA team already picking in the top-10 taking him on merely to move up. That's a $95M commitment to an inefficient, ball-dominant player the Warriors actively do not want. You're not paying almost a hundred million to pick swap.

A deal for Wiggins at this point would only be palatable if it brings in the #2 pick while not sacrificing any high-value present-day draft capital. You're effectively looking to purchase the #2 overall pick in a top-weak draft for $95M in the right scenario. I'm not even sure it's worth it at that point - whomever you select would HAVE to hit BIG to make it even come close to making sense.

I swear I'd be tempted to do it if it was just a swap of picks... I think Edwards can be DMitchell like and pairing him with RJ and Mitch sets us up really well going forward.

I get it, I'd love to move up, too. But Aller is looking at the valuation of moving up 6 draft slots in a weak draft, and laughing at the proposals being put out in the media. In all honesty his presence is such a huge balm to my typical nerves about Rose - or whomever was in his role previously - making stupid decisions about value at this time of year. Despite chuckling at Buzz's schtick as I scroll, I'm not even a little worried right now about it becoming a reality because of Brock.

538 ran a study on draft pick value several years ago, and found that the average 2nd overall pick in the NBA draft was a net value of $23.5M over the first 5 years of their career, after taking into consideration on court production and salary paid out. I'm sure it's gone up a bit adjusting for inflation and how the league valuation of production has shifted, but not crazily. So in the GS trade scenario the Knicks would be paying TRIPLE the value of the 2nd pick, taking back a bad player, AND also giving up the 8th pick.

Brock Aller (AKA, BA Abacus) would burn The Garden down before he signed off on something like that.

[Dantares]

Really not high on Kira, I feel like if he didn't look a little like Morant he'd be going in the 20s, but those locks and being 6'2"-6'3" got people looking at him like he's the next point god . Nothing really jumps out about him other than his speed, he's not really that quick in the halfcourt, he's not explosive, he's not a great shooter, he seems like your standard PG. I don't see someone like him ever being a top 5 guy at PG, so why is there such overt love for him?

I'd rather take a chance on Hayes or even Terry, especially since I wonder how a guy like Lewis will transition from always having the ball, to having to learn to play off it because RJ will need it as well. At least with Terry there's an elite skill there that could turn him into a valuable off ball player, and with Hayes he has the size to play the 2. Really, I don't like Maxey or Lewis, they're like the standard "Me too" PG where nothing really stands out. They're also at a size where you can't play them at the 2, so if you draft them they absolutely have to be your starting PG, or else it's a wasted pick since they can't be anything else.

we need more of this FUD(Fear Uncertainty and Doubt) spread about Kira so we can make sure we get him.

to answer your question Kira is:
- in the 99 percentile at creating quality shoots for his teammates. Basically that means he is getting in the lane at will and kicking out to his teammates for WIDE OPEN looks..
- in the 89th percentile at catch and shoot
- In the 79th percentile at shooting off the dribble

ok so those are just the advanced stats how can you argue with them? I mean damn they look stellar. When you watch him play his speed definitely passes the eye test.

And to address your negatives. I've heard people say he does need to get a running start because his quickness isnt that great in the halfcourt. I don't necessarily agree with that. I think once he adds strength he is going to blow by defenders more easily. and even if he doesnt get strength he is still going to be a blur coming off that high pick and roll which Thibs loves to run. As for defensive versatility you are right he will only be able to play one position.

It's not FUD, it's legitimate concerns, he's a slight PG that isn't really that quick so what exactly happens when he starts putting on more mass? Usually when someone is built like Kira they are exceedingly quick and explosive off the ground, he is neither, he's got great straight line speed but isn't a great athlete. I don't care about advanced stats like that, advanced stats are why Markelle Fultz was the top pick in his draft over Tatum. I ask, what makes him stand out among NBA point guards? How does he project out as a starter on a good team, not what his stats were on a bad Bama team.

I just don't see anything special at all, PG is the deepest position in the league, does he ever even crack the top 10 at that position? Right now, you have all these guys under 25 :

Jamal Murray
DeJounte Murray
Trae Young
De'Aron Fox
JA Morant
SGA
D. Russell

Getting into the top 10 of PGs in the league is going to be extremely difficult. Which is also why I'm just not that high on any of the smaller PGs in this draft outside of Terry. I can understand LaMelo, Haliburton and Hayes because of their size, but these other guys who are all around 6'2"-6'3" that don't have 1 great singular skill, nah man, it's just playing Russian roulette.

well to alleviate some of your fears here is a scout that watched Kira play recently after he added 15 pounds.

Derek Murray, Babcock Hoops director of scouting, recently saw a vastly improved and stronger Lewis scouting trip in Miami.

“Right off the bat, Lewis showed off his dazzling speed. It didn’t matter if he was in an isolation or in the pick-and-roll; he was easily getting around his man for easy lay-ins. He always got downhill quickly, staying on par with his success at Alabama. One of the most noticeable things during the runs, however, was how Lewis absorbed contact in the lane,” Murray said.

With a stronger body, Lewis exudes more confidence on the court attacking the rim.

His burst of speed reminded Pettway of another speedy playmaker — former Kentucky Wildcat and current Sacramento Kings’ lead guard De’Aaron Fox.


“That kind of speed is hard to deal with,” Pettway said. “Based on their finishing, I think De’Aaron is really good at finishing while Kira is a guy who’s crafty who knows how to finish. De’Aaron is probably bigger, longer right now, but Kira shoots better at this stage.”

I disagree and I think Kira's burst will be fine in the halfcourt. but lets your prediction comes true and he is only good at getting in the lane in transition and high pick and rolls. Ty Lawson had short legs and a short wingspan so he couldnt get by guys in the halfcourt he mostly used a pick in the halfcourt. Ty Lawson's numbers were amazing before alcoholism ruined his career. Would you be mad with a Ty Lawson type career pre-alcoholic days?

[3toheadmelo]

I mean if the hornets in theory traded Rozier and Zeller for Westbrook I don't think thats a bad move for them. They will get no free agents anyway.

Then we can still send them Randle for Batum and a 2nd rounder so they can save some dough and put together that Wiseman/Randle front court

making melo's dreams come true