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Re: Prospect Thread: Anthony Edwards 

Post#161 » by yosemiteben » Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:23 am

SWedd523 wrote:Difference being that I can see Edwards having a realistic shot at developing a passable shot. His form is relatively clean.

Ball straight up needs a complete ground up reconstruction

That's a fair point, his stroke looks fine.

I just don't really buy the "but his team sucked" angle. In the breakdown videos I've seen, it looks like he loves those Harden-esque off the dribble threes despite the fact that his percentages day he can't hit them. I saw a bunch of times where he passed on uncontested threes to put the ball down only to shoot (and miss) an off the dribble shot.
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Re: Prospect Thread: Anthony Edwards 

Post#162 » by JMAC3 » Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:32 pm

Is there any data that backs up if you have good/bad percentages in college as a top 5 pick your percentages in the NBA correlate?
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Re: Prospect Thread: Anthony Edwards 

Post#163 » by SWedd523 » Thu Nov 12, 2020 6:50 pm

The only guy I can remember is Beal

Whom everyone said was a great shooter and would be a great shooter in the league despite having relatively mediocre college shooting percentages
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Re: Prospect Thread: Anthony Edwards 

Post#164 » by James Gatz » Thu Nov 12, 2020 7:05 pm

JMAC3 wrote:Is there any data that backs up if you have good/bad percentages in college as a top 5 pick your percentages in the NBA correlate?


There's no direct comparison because usually prospects don't have enough attempts. Usually you should look at FT% plus 3PT%/3PA.
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Re: Prospect Thread: Anthony Edwards 

Post#165 » by JMAC3 » Thu Nov 12, 2020 7:17 pm

Edwards line 19.2 ppg 40.2fg% 29.4fg3%

Jaylen Brown 14.6ppg 43.1 fg% 29.4 fg3%

Tatum 16.8ppg 45.2 fg% 34.2 fg3%

Josh Jackson 16.3 ppg 51.3 fg% 37.8 fg3%

Brandon Ingram 17.3 ppg 46.4% fg 41 fg3%

Here are just a few guys also taken top 5 wing players to compare percentages and how they translated.

Jaylen Brown sucked at shooting threes and now he is pretty good. Bodes well for Edwards.

Josh Jackson percentages were great but he flopped.

Ingram shot better in college from three than he has in pros. Especially his rookie year when he shot only 29%.

Tatum is a stud, but nothing in his college stats told us that he would be as they are pretty meh percentage wise.

Point being Edwards averaged more points then all these guys. To me I can’t find a direct correlation from college percentages that say this will be how it is in the NBA so therefore I put less stock into. I have seen Edwards make 72 college threes.

Compared to:
Ingram 80
Tatum 40
Jackson 34
Brown 30
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Re: Prospect Thread: Anthony Edwards 

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Re: Prospect Thread: Anthony Edwards 

Post#167 » by JMAC3 » Fri Nov 13, 2020 8:59 pm

My gut is telling me there is a chance we pick him 3rd

Just because I think Ball goes first like 70% of time
Wiseman seems like favorite for 2nd pick.

That leaves us picking between Edwards and OO with little leverage to trade down with Lamelo gone.
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Re: Prospect Thread: Anthony Edwards 

Post#168 » by JMAC3 » Sat Nov 14, 2020 2:40 am

If a rookie scores 40 in a game next year he would be my first choice to do so.
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Re: Prospect Thread: Anthony Edwards 

Post#169 » by Vanderbilt_Grad » Mon Nov 16, 2020 3:11 am

If Edwards ends up being the pick, what happens to the guard rotation?

Does Devonte' or Terry move back to the bench for Ant-man to start?
Dose the team roll our a short lineup and start Edwards at SF with the two of them?
Do they try to trade Rozier?
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Re: Prospect Thread: Anthony Edwards 

Post#170 » by Rich4114 » Mon Nov 16, 2020 3:16 am

Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:If Edwards ends up being the pick, what happens to the guard rotation?

Does Devonte' or Terry move back to the bench for Ant-man to start?
Dose the team roll our a short lineup and start Edwards at SF with the two of them?
Do they try to trade Rozier?


Good questions. I think from that point forward it makes Rozier and possibly Monk more expendable in trades than they would be right now. Same with Bridges. I’ve always said that Rozier off the bench makes us better and maybe that is the initial solution.
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Re: Prospect Thread: Anthony Edwards 

Post#171 » by JMAC3 » Mon Nov 16, 2020 3:27 am

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Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:If Edwards ends up being the pick, what happens to the guard rotation?

Does Devonte' or Terry move back to the bench for Ant-man to start?
Dose the team roll our a short lineup and start Edwards at SF with the two of them?
Do they try to trade Rozier?


Good questions. I think from that point forward it makes Rozier and possibly Monk more expendable in trades than they would be right now. Same with Bridges. I’ve always said that Rozier off the bench makes us better and maybe that is the initial solution.


Rozier would instantly become a 6th man of the year candidate. I’m sure Edwards would get some minutes at the 3 in small ball lineups. Ultimately think that means Monk is traded tho.
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Re: Prospect Thread: Anthony Edwards 

Post#172 » by 316Hornets » Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:29 am

I'd probably have Edwards coming off the bench for first half the year. If he's hot, let him close out in the 4th with Devonte. Monk is definitely the odd man out in this scenario.
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Re: Prospect Thread: Anthony Edwards 

Post#173 » by wilson115 » Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:19 am

Young man's not one for subtlety.

What has been the best advice someone has given you during this process?

The only people that’ve probably given me advice are Allen Iverson, Dwyane Wade and Victor Oladipo. They told me to just go in there and make a name for yourself. That’s the main thing they told me. The mentality that I’m going in with is that I know everybody in the league and they don’t know me. But after my first year, I want them to know who I am. So, that’s my main goal.

What was it like having Michael Jordan attend your workout for the Charlotte Hornets and what advice did he give you?

It was a surreal feeling to have MJ watching me work out in the gym where I learned to play basketball. I can’t even really put it into words. He gave me a lot of great tips on ways to be more efficient in the mid post, as well as a lot of tips on how to best prepare my mind and body for a long NBA season.

Speaking of Georgia, it’s likely that you’re going to leave the state for the first time in your life full time. What are you looking forward to the most in terms of a new beginning, and what would you miss the most about Georgia?

I’m not going to miss anything. Probably my family. That’s about it. That’s the only thing I’m missing, my family.

I’m excited about just meeting my teammates, getting in the gym, working and just going out there and competing with the guys. And getting to know the coaching staff and the facilities very well.

How do you deal with the pressure of living up to the expectations of a top pick?

I don’t really worry about expectations from people outside. I have expectations for myself. I feel that’s the only thing that matters. If I meet those expectations for myself, then that’s the only thing that matters to me.

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Re: Prospect Thread: Anthony Edwards 

Post#174 » by Snidely FC » Mon Nov 16, 2020 1:50 pm

wilson115 wrote:
They told me to just go in there and make a name for yourself. After my first year, I want them to know who I am. So, that’s my main goal.


this is why I fear he will not play well with others
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Re: Prospect Thread: Anthony Edwards 

Post#175 » by UNCNYC » Mon Nov 16, 2020 2:25 pm

Edwards and Toppin are my last choice (as far as top 10) that I want us to draft. I would even rather Wiseman (who I do not want us to draft) over Edwards or Toppin. I am a LaMelo fan so I would LOVE if we drafted him. My top 4 players that I truly want are

Terry
Hayes
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Re: Prospect Thread: Anthony Edwards 

Post#176 » by JMAC3 » Mon Nov 16, 2020 4:18 pm

Think we just take whoever falls. I have no issue with taking any of the top 3 at three. We are still multiple players from competing so none are ideal fit. Lamelo probably has the most work to do after we draft him because it probably means trading Graham, but we will have to see them play together first.

Still don’t get the Tyrell Terry love. Dude is basically Seth Curry (again Seth). He isn’t a good athlete, has small hands, short wingspan, probably had worst combine of every player.

All he does is shoot it okay, doesn’t seem like he can be a starting pg in the league.
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Re: Prospect Thread: Anthony Edwards 

Post#177 » by BigSlam » Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:38 pm

JMAC3 wrote:Still don’t get the Tyrell Terry love. Dude is basically Seth Curry (again Seth). He isn’t a good athlete, has small hands, short wingspan, probably had worst combine of every player.

All he does is shoot it okay, doesn’t seem like he can be a starting pg in the league.

Ohhhhhhhhhhh no you didn’t?!?!?


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Re: Prospect Thread: Anthony Edwards 

Post#178 » by UNCNYC » Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:22 pm

JMAC3 wrote:Think we just take whoever falls. I have no issue with taking any of the top 3 at three. We are still multiple players from competing so none are ideal fit. Lamelo probably has the most work to do after we draft him because it probably means trading Graham, but we will have to see them play together first.

Still don’t get the Tyrell Terry love. Dude is basically Seth Curry (again Seth). He isn’t a good athlete, has small hands, short wingspan, probably had worst combine of every player.

All he does is shoot it okay, doesn’t seem like he can be a starting pg in the league.



I am different when it comes to drafting players. (Not saying I'm better just different). One thing I admire about you
is your ability to use, and actually use your brain lol. You seem to value things like wingspan, and stats. (Which is a great
and logical approach btw).

Kinda like hiring that person based on a spectacular resume.

I am more the type that enjoys actually meeting the person, and trying to gauge that persons potential and how I feel that can be of an asset even though they may lack in what should be the "obvious" hiring.

Kinda like giving a starting coaching job to someone with no experience, instead of what should be the qualified person on paper...

I actually rarely if EVER look at those things. When drafting players I go for things like

Smell test
Eye test
It factor
Swag
Intellect
Actual basketball skill

All things that are a bit more sentimental. I will draft a player who I like for many reasons. I rarely if ever draft based on
stats or wingspan or even size. If I do, it is a determining factor in the choosing of two players who I have as ranked as EVEN.

Although Terry lacks in size, wingspan and athleticism, he is a good shooter, can play both guard spots and can create his shot.

I also like the way he carries himself and has an it factor about him.

Many draft players using my method (or one close to it) which I guess is why we are such terrible GM's lol. I say that
because it's obvious due to the fact that a Terry can lack size, wingspan etc... and still be penciled in as a potential lottery pick.

That conclusion would be based on them valuing him for something else and not his size, lack of athleticism, stats or wingspan which he obviously lacks in.

To sum it up, I enjoy using my method of drafting because at the end of the day, even when we use a common sense approach,
most of the time we still can get it wrong so I might as well enjoy my picks with players who I enjoy watching than to gamble
on ones I don't given the outcome will probably be the same lol.
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Re: Prospect Thread: Anthony Edwards 

Post#179 » by JMAC3 » Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:42 pm

UNCNYC wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:Think we just take whoever falls. I have no issue with taking any of the top 3 at three. We are still multiple players from competing so none are ideal fit. Lamelo probably has the most work to do after we draft him because it probably means trading Graham, but we will have to see them play together first.

Still don’t get the Tyrell Terry love. Dude is basically Seth Curry (again Seth). He isn’t a good athlete, has small hands, short wingspan, probably had worst combine of every player.

All he does is shoot it okay, doesn’t seem like he can be a starting pg in the league.



I am different when it comes to drafting players. (Not saying I'm better just different). One thing I admire about you
is your ability to use, and actually use your brain lol. You seem to value things like wingspan, and stats. (Which is a great
and logical approach btw).

Kinda like hiring that person based on a spectacular resume.

I am more the type that enjoys actually meeting the person, and trying to gauge that persons potential and how I feel that can be of an asset even though they may lack in what should be the "obvious" hiring.

Kinda like giving a starting coaching job to someone with no experience, instead of what should be the qualified person on paper...

I actually rarely if EVER look at those things. When drafting players I go for things like

Smell test
Eye test
It factor
Swag
Intellect
Actual basketball skill

All things that are a bit more sentimental. I will draft a player who I like for many reasons. I rarely if ever draft based on
stats or wingspan or even size. If I do, it is a determining factor in the choosing of two players who I have as ranked as EVEN.

Although Terry lacks in size, wingspan and athleticism, he is a good shooter, can play both guard spots and can create his shot.

I also like the way he carries himself and has an it factor about him.

Many draft players using my method (or one close to it) which I guess is why we are such terrible GM's lol. I say that
because it's obvious due to the fact that a Terry can lack size, wingspan etc... and still be penciled in as a potential lottery pick.

That conclusion would be based on them valuing him for something else and not his size, lack of athleticism, stats or wingspan which he obviously lacks in.

To sum it up, I enjoy using my method of drafting because at the end of the day, even when we use a common sense approach,
most of the time we still can get it wrong so I might as well enjoy my picks with players who I enjoy watching than to gamble
on ones I don't given the outcome will probably be the same lol.


At this point it would surprise me if Terry goes in the top 20 picks. Respect to who you like and supporting it, but in a system that rewards evaluators on getting things right and wrong it’s odd approach.

A good example is the Chicago Bears- overall they have drafted really well for last 5 years, but they missed on biggest pick with Trubisky and that’s all people can see now.

I feel like that is how I view your evaluations, when Terry doesn’t work out it puts a negative spin on all your draft breakdowns because you hitched your horse to a guy that was an odd selection and most likely won’t pan out.
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Re: Prospect Thread: Anthony Edwards 

Post#180 » by UNCNYC » Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:31 pm

JMAC3 wrote:
UNCNYC wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:Think we just take whoever falls. I have no issue with taking any of the top 3 at three. We are still multiple players from competing so none are ideal fit. Lamelo probably has the most work to do after we draft him because it probably means trading Graham, but we will have to see them play together first.

Still don’t get the Tyrell Terry love. Dude is basically Seth Curry (again Seth). He isn’t a good athlete, has small hands, short wingspan, probably had worst combine of every player.

All he does is shoot it okay, doesn’t seem like he can be a starting pg in the league.



I am different when it comes to drafting players. (Not saying I'm better just different). One thing I admire about you
is your ability to use, and actually use your brain lol. You seem to value things like wingspan, and stats. (Which is a great
and logical approach btw).

Kinda like hiring that person based on a spectacular resume.

I am more the type that enjoys actually meeting the person, and trying to gauge that persons potential and how I feel that can be of an asset even though they may lack in what should be the "obvious" hiring.

Kinda like giving a starting coaching job to someone with no experience, instead of what should be the qualified person on paper...

I actually rarely if EVER look at those things. When drafting players I go for things like

Smell test
Eye test
It factor
Swag
Intellect
Actual basketball skill

All things that are a bit more sentimental. I will draft a player who I like for many reasons. I rarely if ever draft based on
stats or wingspan or even size. If I do, it is a determining factor in the choosing of two players who I have as ranked as EVEN.

Although Terry lacks in size, wingspan and athleticism, he is a good shooter, can play both guard spots and can create his shot.

I also like the way he carries himself and has an it factor about him.

Many draft players using my method (or one close to it) which I guess is why we are such terrible GM's lol. I say that
because it's obvious due to the fact that a Terry can lack size, wingspan etc... and still be penciled in as a potential lottery pick.

That conclusion would be based on them valuing him for something else and not his size, lack of athleticism, stats or wingspan which he obviously lacks in.

To sum it up, I enjoy using my method of drafting because at the end of the day, even when we use a common sense approach,
most of the time we still can get it wrong so I might as well enjoy my picks with players who I enjoy watching than to gamble
on ones I don't given the outcome will probably be the same lol.


At this point it would surprise me if Terry goes in the top 20 picks. Respect to who you like and supporting it, but in a system that rewards evaluators on getting things right and wrong it’s odd approach.

A good example is the Chicago Bears- overall they have drafted really well for last 5 years, but they missed on biggest pick with Trubisky and that’s all people can see now.

I feel like that is how I view your evaluations, when Terry doesn’t work out it puts a negative spin on all your draft breakdowns because you hitched your horse to a guy that was an odd selection and most likely won’t pan out.


I actually didn't think the bears should draft Trubisky. I thought Watson was the obvious choice. I also wanted to draft Russell Wilson. My approach at drafting players doesn't mean that I wont get the correct draft pick, it just means I "might" not get the pick right.The same as a person who looks at stats and stats only. I "do" look at talent but I also look at other factors. Coach Cal stated that he looks for SWAG when he evaluates players.

Its like this, I can match two people together, who both like animals, sports, good sex, and know how to save money but the marriage could be a disaster. Even though I took the approach of using all statistical things to bring them together it could also lead in failure.

I could also put two people together who have almost nothing in common and the marriage could work. Is this a logical approach? It could be depending on "my" success rate. Over the years I have wanted to draft

Deshawn Watson (even thought we should have traded Cam to do so)
Russell Wilson

Penny Hardaway
Grant Hill
Kobe Bryant
Kemba Walker

Just to name a few... and without putting in much research So as long as the results are there, the approach at those results should be nulled as long as it is honest
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