Trade Ideas Thread, 2020-21

[BostonCouchGM]

I think Jrue is one of the more overrated players in the NBA. I keep hearing how underrated he is yet what has he done? When paired with a top 5 player in AD they won squat. I also keep hearing he's some amazing defender yet I see him being very lazy on defense far too often and quicker guards absolutely cooking him. Yes, on rare occasions he's picked up a 3 and even a 4 and "stopped" them but it's usually the offensive player just missing the shot rather than anything Jrue does. Smart is a MUCH better defender than Jrue. I don't understand this move unless Kemba is on his way out. Jrue is a lateral move talent wise from Kemba but he's a better fit in Brad's system. So it it's a swap to get Kemba and his awful contract out then it's genius. If it's our three firsts and we lose Hayward, it's disastrous.

[ddb]

Again, Hayward will make nearly 40M if he’s traded— zero chance he opts out to take less next year. 40 **** million dollars is a crazy amount of money.

very high probability that Gordon Hayward is working with the Celtics on getting something done. He will have a say and ultimately can waive his trade kicker to get it done

[ddb]

I think Jrue is one of the more overrated players in the NBA. I keep hearing how underrated he is yet what has he done? When paired with a top 5 player in AD they won squat. I also keep hearing he's some amazing defender yet I see him being very lazy on defense far too often and quicker guards absolutely cooking him. Yes, on rare occasions he's picked up a 3 and even a 4 and "stopped" them but it's usually the offensive player just missing the shot rather than anything Jrue does. Smart is a MUCH better defender than Jrue. I don't understand this move unless Kemba is on his way out. Jrue is a lateral move talent wise from Kemba but he's a better fit in Brad's system. So it it's a swap to get Kemba and his awful contract out then it's genius. If it's our three firsts and we lose Hayward, it's disastrous.

don't worry. DA isn't stupid.

[yeleven11]

Idk why we keep talking about Kemba being moved. It seems pretty clear to me Hayward would be the piece being moved out in any trade scenarios involving big salary.

It's Hayward. Doubtful he picks up and leaves without helping the Celtics. It's a help me and I'll help you situation between Hayward/Boston. Remember, Boston gave him a ton of money and was very patient with his rehab. Boston has given him every opportunity to be successful in Boston including throwing him back in the starting lineup in year 2 when he probably shouldn't have been in there to start. Unfortunately for Hayward the situation in Boston changed dramatically from when he first signed in Boston. Tatum/Brown emerging changed things. Kyrie leaving changed things. A lot has changed. That's why right after this season I rushed to the computer to talk about how it's very likely that Hayward is the one that would like to move on. However, he is close with Brad Stevens. Mutual respect and love there. And I believe Hayward and Ainge have a good relationship as well. So it's Hayward.

Doubtful Smart gets moved. He's the heart & soul of this team. Means too much to the organization at this point and is just entering his prime years.
Tatum/Brown aren't going anywhere.
Kemba is too early in his deal for Ainge to give up on him. Ainge liked Kemba. Tatum/Kemba have the Jordan brand connection. Kemba is going to be here at least another season before his name pops up in trade rumors.

Hayward/Theis/Picks is the most appealing pieces. If Indy likes Hayward, Boston likes Jrue/Turner, and Nola wants another lottery pick then there's your deal

Yup. Hayward and the Celtics FO have a good relationship. I think it's very likely Hayward decides to opt-in with an agreement that the Celtics will send him to a team of his choosing (Indiana?) or even a sign-and-trade with a commitment from both sides to make it work.

Hayward gets what he wants by going to a team like Indiana that's his home, gets a bigger role, while still being on a playoff team.

Celtics get what they want by landing Jrue or Jrue + Turner (Would imagine Celtics feel confident Jrue stays long-term)

Pelicans get what they want by turning an expiring Jrue Holiday into a top 10 pick.

It's also possible that Turner ends up on the Pelicans while the Pelicans send their #13 pick to Indiana?

That version would look like

Celtics: Jrue Holiday

Pelicans: Turner + Top 10 pick

Pacers: Hayward + 13

New York or Detroit: #14, #26, #30

[ddb]

I'd also like to note to the board that personally, I am not against trading Kemba (even though it's doubtful he gets moved). His knee is very worrisome to me for a player that is now past age 30 and has 3 years and many millions left on his contract.

[themoneyteam2]

I think Jrue is one of the more overrated players in the NBA. I keep hearing how underrated he is yet what has he done? When paired with a top 5 player in AD they won squat. I also keep hearing he's some amazing defender yet I see him being very lazy on defense far too often and quicker guards absolutely cooking him. Yes, on rare occasions he's picked up a 3 and even a 4 and "stopped" them but it's usually the offensive player just missing the shot rather than anything Jrue does. Smart is a MUCH better defender than Jrue. I don't understand this move unless Kemba is on his way out. Jrue is a lateral move talent wise from Kemba but he's a better fit in Brad's system. So it it's a swap to get Kemba and his awful contract out then it's genius. If it's our three firsts and we lose Hayward, it's disastrous.

Weird since some of the top guards in the NBA, such as Lillard and Kyrie, say Jrue Holiday is the best defender they face.

But I'm sure you know would know better than them, right?

[Homerclease]

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[yeleven11]

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isnt this the same dude who said Celtics are trading for Gobert? lol

[SuperDeluxe]

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[GoCeltics123]

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isnt this the same dude who said Celtics are trading for Gobert? lol

Yeah, not super reliable

[ddb]

I think Jrue is one of the more overrated players in the NBA. I keep hearing how underrated he is yet what has he done? When paired with a top 5 player in AD they won squat. I also keep hearing he's some amazing defender yet I see him being very lazy on defense far too often and quicker guards absolutely cooking him. Yes, on rare occasions he's picked up a 3 and even a 4 and "stopped" them but it's usually the offensive player just missing the shot rather than anything Jrue does. Smart is a MUCH better defender than Jrue. I don't understand this move unless Kemba is on his way out. Jrue is a lateral move talent wise from Kemba but he's a better fit in Brad's system. So it it's a swap to get Kemba and his awful contract out then it's genius. If it's our three firsts and we lose Hayward, it's disastrous.

I'm not good at very many things, but one thing I like to think I'm pretty good at is evaluating NBA players. I really enjoy it. I'm not always right, but I'm right way more than I'm wrong. When it comes to Jrue, he's a great/great fit in Boston. As soon as his name popped up in rumors I thought of the Celtics when so many media heads did not. Media heads thought, "not Boston because they have Kemba." Right, but Jrue is a combo guard in it's truest sense. He can play PG, but he's actually really comfortable playing the 2. He can guard both positions. He is really intelligent...great in the locker room. Passes well. dribbles well. Rebounds pretty well for his size/position. Doesn't need to take a ton of shots to help his team, but is capable of going off for 35pts if needed. Just an all-around player that is a coaches dream.
Put him in the lineup with Kemba/Tatum/Brown and a big that can pick n pop & roll. WOW. It'll be nearly impossible to stop these guys, not to mention they would be an outstanding defensive unit as well

[Feed Your Head]

If we end up with Turner/Holiday, the defense won’t suck.

Holiday makes a TON of sense if we lose Hayward, which we are.

[Disinformation]

If this was a year from now the ideal trade would be Kemba+1 pick to NYK for #8 which would go to NOP for Holiday. We'd have an upgrade (in terms of fit) at PG and still two of our three picks to work with. Alas.

[SmartWentCrazy]

I’m dreaming of a Smart-Jrue-Brown-Tatum lineup. Please let this happen!

[celtics543]

If we end up with Turner/Holiday, the defense won’t suck.

Holiday makes a TON of sense if we lose Hayward, which we are.

I think that's best case. Defense improves and shooting improves. I hate to give up the picks but who's the last guy Danny drafted outside the top 10 that has been an impact guy? Jury is out on Langford and both Williams but I'm guessing it was Avery Bradley and even then it took quite a while for him to get there.

[SmartWentCrazy]

A year from now, if it comes down to Jrue vs Kemba, we’d be able to deal Kemba with no bad PR FWIW. Lots of cap space around then as well.

[Celts17Pride]

Idk why we keep talking about Kemba being moved. It seems pretty clear to me Hayward would be the piece being moved out in any trade scenarios involving big salary.

It's Hayward. Doubtful he picks up and leaves without helping the Celtics. It's a help me and I'll help you situation between Hayward/Boston. Remember, Boston gave him a ton of money and was very patient with his rehab. Boston has given him every opportunity to be successful in Boston including throwing him back in the starting lineup in year 2 when he probably shouldn't have been in there to start. Unfortunately for Hayward the situation in Boston changed dramatically from when he first signed in Boston. Tatum/Brown emerging changed things. Kyrie leaving changed things. A lot has changed. That's why right after this season I rushed to the computer to talk about how it's very likely that Hayward is the one that would like to move on. However, he is close with Brad Stevens. Mutual respect and love there. And I believe Hayward and Ainge have a good relationship as well. So it's Hayward.

Doubtful Smart gets moved. He's the heart & soul of this team. Means too much to the organization at this point and is just entering his prime years.
Tatum/Brown aren't going anywhere.
Kemba is too early in his deal for Ainge to give up on him. Ainge liked Kemba. Tatum/Kemba have the Jordan brand connection. Kemba is going to be here at least another season before his name pops up in trade rumors.

Hayward/Theis/Picks is the most appealing pieces. If Indy likes Hayward, Boston likes Jrue/Turner, and Nola wants another lottery pick then there's your deal

Makes sense

[GoCeltics123]

If we end up with Turner/Holiday, the defense won’t suck.

Holiday makes a TON of sense if we lose Hayward, which we are.

How would we get both of them though? Salary-wise, that's like $43 mil added right?

Hayward's contract makes up a lot of that, but you gotta include other players too.

[ConstableGeneva]

How are we trading a guy on draft night that hasn't opted in yet? Weeks ago, I thought it was possible since I was hoping FA would come before the draft. Now it's more likely opt-in dates are post-draft. Even Ainge thinks so.

What if the deal falls apart and you're left with the rookie(s) other team(s) selected for you?

[Bleeding Green]

The Celtics already have a top-3 defense, and Jrue makes 26 million. Can't really see a trade I'd be happy with. Jrue is a slightly better DJ Augustin in my eyes. If all you need is a guard defender with some versatility, just get one of Jrue's brothers for 1/10th the price. They're both better shooters, too.

What am I missing with Jrue? Bad scoring efficiency on high volume, not an overly impressive playmaker; good, versatile defender. And he makes 26 million and he's a 30 year old guard.