Random Rumors and Trade Board General Thoughts Thread

[zimpy27]

Has the new NBA season started yet?
Can teams still trade players based on salary from 2019-20 season or are all trades going to now need to be 20-21 salary?

Not quite yet... and yes.

They will open it up "2-3 days before the draft", so that makes the first date a guess and not definite.

My timeline using that and guessing the 15th:

Nov 15th: Trades and Option pick up window. All salaries are 19-20; anyone that is a 20-21 free agent cannot be traded (must pick options up first). However, teams can agree to do trades in 7 days with 20-21 salaries.

Nov 18th: Draft. Trades get locked at 2pm EST I believe, then can be announced during the draft. So there is a natural quiet briefly there. Trades will be done with 2 sets of book keeping. Teams can do deals with old 19-20 salaries or teams can do a deal to happen in 4 days and use the new 20-21 salaries. (You cannot cross the lines. A single trade must be in a single year. But all night trades will take place and be in different years depending what works best for the teams.

Nov 20th: Free agent negotiations start (giggle). Yes, all those deals already secretly agreed to are now legal to agree to.

Nov 22nd: Deals can actually be finalized. Most people ignored this date historical, but it was July 7th at first and then moved in. When it says at 12:01 on the 20th Gallo signs 75/3 with Phx, it will be signed on the 22nd. Historically existed so Union had a few days to audit the books and make sure no shenanigans that weren't legal. Note: Trades agreed to before Nov 20th but wanting to use 20-21 salaries actually occur now and not on the 20th.

That's really great insight. Thank you very much!

[HartfordWhalers]

Going to take a moment and point out that in the last 24 hours, I haven't heard anyone suggest Westbrook to Sacramento.

Have an itchy impulsive owner and need a guy who (some) advanced metrics hate, is win now and clashes with your team's current best player (Fox), while clogging a cap and lowering a long term ceiling? Nope. Not a single person I have seen say Sac yet. Throw Orlando under that bus? Sure. Charlotte? Absolutely! New York? Of course.

But Sacramento? Nope, they fired Vlade and are expected to be a healthy functional team doing healthy funcional things. And I think that is awesome for them.

[Godaddycurse]

Going to take a moment and point out that in the last 24 hours, I haven't heard anyone suggest Westbrook to Sacramento.

Have an itchy impulsive owner and need a guy who (some) advanced metrics hate, is win now and clashes with your team's current best player (Fox), while clogging a cap and lowering a long term ceiling? Nope. Not a single person I have seen say Sac yet. Throw Orlando under that bus? Sure. Charlotte? Absolutely! New York? Of course.

But Sacramento? Nope, they fired Vlade and are expected to be a healthy functional team doing healthy funcional things. And I think that is awesome for them.

I think its more so they have fox already. Otherwise owner would probably be all over it lol

[HartfordWhalers]

Going to take a moment and point out that in the last 24 hours, I haven't heard anyone suggest Westbrook to Sacramento.

Have an itchy impulsive owner and need a guy who (some) advanced metrics hate, is win now and clashes with your team's current best player (Fox), while clogging a cap and lowering a long term ceiling? Nope. Not a single person I have seen say Sac yet. Throw Orlando under that bus? Sure. Charlotte? Absolutely! New York? Of course.

But Sacramento? Nope, they fired Vlade and are expected to be a healthy functional team doing healthy funcional things. And I think that is awesome for them.

I think its more so they have fox already. Otherwise owner would probably be all over it lol

Even still, a year ago, wouldn't Sac have been a top 5 mention? They have been calm feeling.

[pacers33granger]

When was the last time Oladipo played the Knicks? February. If this did happen, I'm not impressed with the timeliness of the reporting.

I hope Indy fans don't have to wait 9 more months to find out who won the election for instance.

Yeah it's a weird report all around. Not sure what to make of it. I have a hard time believing it given something would've come out if it truly was that blatant. I'm unsure why all the reports on Vic are half a year old lately other than reporters trying to drum something up.

[kalenclayton]

Going to take a moment and point out that in the last 24 hours, I haven't heard anyone suggest Westbrook to Sacramento.

Have an itchy impulsive owner and need a guy who (some) advanced metrics hate, is win now and clashes with your team's current best player (Fox), while clogging a cap and lowering a long term ceiling? Nope. Not a single person I have seen say Sac yet. Throw Orlando under that bus? Sure. Charlotte? Absolutely! New York? Of course.

But Sacramento? Nope, they fired Vlade and are expected to be a healthy functional team doing healthy funcional things. And I think that is awesome for them.

I think its more so they have fox already. Otherwise owner would probably be all over it lol

Even still, a year ago, wouldn't Sac have been a top 5 mention? They have been calm feeling.

It just doesn’t make sense with Fox. It really seems clear cut. I’ll be the first to say my team has been quite dysfunctional, but the one difference between Sac and the teams you listed is that Sac has a perceived franchise point guard. There’s no logical reason to have them in the news looking at Westbrook.

[HartfordWhalers]

I think its more so they have fox already. Otherwise owner would probably be all over it lol

Even still, a year ago, wouldn't Sac have been a top 5 mention? They have been calm feeling.

It just doesn’t make sense with Fox. It really seems clear cut. I’ll be the first to say my team has been quite dysfunctional, but the one difference between Sac and the teams you listed is that Sac has a perceived franchise point guard. There’s no logical reason to have them in the news looking at Westbrook.

I would argue Charlotte does too in Graham. And a lot of teams run 2 pg's. And Westbrook is in many manys an upgrade (he did just make ALL NBA).

All of which is to say, I think it is a very positive sign for Sac that they haven't been mentioned.

I will be honest, I thought saying a positive thing about sac wouldn't have gotten this much push back.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

I know there’s a large contingent of Dallas Mavericks fans who also love the play of Zach Lavine, so great news on that front.

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[Texas Chuck]

I know there’s a large contingent of Dallas Mavericks fans who also love the play of Zach Lavine, so great news on that front.

Read on Twitter

Okay I can definitely see where you would enjoy getting to post this and watch me hate it. And oh boy do I hate it.

[HartfordWhalers]

For what it is worth, I have KOC as a throw stuff against the wall guy versus a SHams/Woj/Lowe/Windy (yeah, I know).

He has a lot in his latest mock that looks a bit off to me and I haven't seen elsewhere, as well as a lot that has been elsewhere and is widely reported. This matches past years imo.

Here is the link for those interested: https://nbadraft.theringer.com/

[Soulyss]

I know there’s a large contingent of Dallas Mavericks fans who also love the play of Zach Lavine, so great news on that front.

Read on Twitter

Okay I can definitely see where you would enjoy getting to post this and watch me hate it. And oh boy do I hate it.

Oh man, Poor Chuck... I hope this is draft rumor BS for your sanity.

[Soulyss]

For what it is worth, I have KOC as a throw stuff against the wall guy versus a SHams/Woj/Lowe/Windy (yeah, I know).

He has a lot in his latest mock that looks a bit off to me and I haven't seen elsewhere, as well as a lot that has been elsewhere and is widely reported. This matches past years imo.

Here is the link for those interested: https://nbadraft.theringer.com/

Yeah he's off on the Blazers... Just what they need... ANOTHER 6'3 guard...

[shrink]

I think its more so they have fox already. Otherwise owner would probably be all over it lol

Even still, a year ago, wouldn't Sac have been a top 5 mention? They have been calm feeling.

It just doesn’t make sense with Fox. It really seems clear cut. I’ll be the first to say my team has been quite dysfunctional, but the one difference between Sac and the teams you listed is that Sac has a perceived franchise point guard. There’s no logical reason to have them in the news looking at Westbrook.

I think you’re missing the point.

Westbrook is probably a mistake for any of those other teams too. And we are quick to say a team like the Knicks will make that mistake, because they have in the past. Here though, nobody is saying that SAC will probably make that mistake. Progress.

[kalenclayton]

Even still, a year ago, wouldn't Sac have been a top 5 mention? They have been calm feeling.

It just doesn’t make sense with Fox. It really seems clear cut. I’ll be the first to say my team has been quite dysfunctional, but the one difference between Sac and the teams you listed is that Sac has a perceived franchise point guard. There’s no logical reason to have them in the news looking at Westbrook.

I would argue Charlotte does too in Graham. And a lot of teams run 2 pg's. And Westbrook is in many manys an upgrade (he did just make ALL NBA).

All of which is to say, I think it is a very positive sign for Sac that they haven't been mentioned.

I will be honest, I thought saying a positive thing about sac wouldn't have gotten this much push back.

I wasn’t pushing back. Sorry if it seemed that way. I’m more so thinking that it just doesn’t make sense that the Kings would throw their hat in the ring for a pg who’s strengths don’t complement Fox’s. Even if Vivek pushed for it, I think he’s aware that he would look stupid trying to pair Fox and Westbrook. The only positive the two would develop would be potentially the scariest fast break. Vivek is really smart, but he’s been way too hands on with this franchise. I think he might be learning that he can’t do that now, but none of us will know for certain. I’m just not convinced that all is well in the front office. I’m very optimistic about McNair, but I won’t be convinced the team is on an upswing until we see real moves.

I agree that it’s nice to see that the Kings haven’t been mentioned, but a Westbrook pairing is just illogical. I won’t count the Kings out of something stupid like finding a vet like Horford/Love/Griffin appealing just yet...

In regards to Charlotte, I think they do have their pg as well. I also think he can play with Russ. He’s a much better fit than with Fox. That’s why I don’t see it as crazy with them, especially if they can get extra value.

[timani]

Last year's DWS is decent but his DBPM not so decent. I always understood his defense to be lacking so not sure why Dallas would be interested.

Bulls fans, is it his skillset or mindset or both that keeps him from being a good defender?

[Texas Chuck]

Oh man, Poor Chuck... I hope this is draft rumor BS for your sanity.

I mean what even is the deal? The cleanest version is just THJ plus 18 for him. Now I would not make that trade but I also believe Chicago wouldn't either. They would see that as an insulting offer for as their fans tell us all the time -- "Their Best Player". Problem is that not only is that the cleanest offer its essentially Dallas' best offer. Oh you could add Brunson or 31 but that doesn't really change the calculus much.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

Last year's DWS is decent but his DBPM not so decent. I always understood his defense to be lacking so not sure why Dallas would be interested.

Bulls fans, is it his skillset or mindset or both that keeps him from being a good defender?

It’s his mindset. He falls asleep on that end at times. To be frank, he just doesn’t have a high basketball IQ defensively.

To be clear, it has nothing to do with his work ethic. He’s one of the hardest workers in the NBA, and an easy guy to root for because of that. But something between the ears isn’t clicking. He isn’t very built or strong or has a freakish wingspan, so that stuff hurts him too.

It’s honestly not a bad fit. I think Dallas should be looking at ways already to alleviate the play making load from Doncic. Lavine would slot in 3rd in the pecking order, which suits him better, maybe even off the bench.

If they can add him without effecting their 2021 cap space, I think they have to look at it. But I’m not sure what Chicago would want in that case. The assets don’t really line up.

[HartfordWhalers]

It has been over 2 months since I suggested Sato for Scott/Zhaire/picks. I still like it.

[Buzzard]

Oh man, Poor Chuck... I hope this is draft rumor BS for your sanity.

I mean what even is the deal? The cleanest version is just THJ plus 18 for him. Now I would not make that trade but I also believe Chicago wouldn't either. They would see that as an insulting offer for as their fans tell us all the time -- "Their Best Player". Problem is that not only is that the cleanest offer its essentially Dallas' best offer. Oh you could add Brunson or 31 but that doesn't really change the calculus much.

How ironic would it be for Dallas to trade for either LaVine or Hield

I don't see it possible either unless they involve another team that wants THJ and is willing to send another 1st rounder or other asset to the Bulls.

[timani]

Last year's DWS is decent but his DBPM not so decent. I always understood his defense to be lacking so not sure why Dallas would be interested.

Bulls fans, is it his skillset or mindset or both that keeps him from being a good defender?

It’s his mindset. He falls asleep on that end at times. To be frank, he just doesn’t have a high basketball IQ defensively.

To be clear, it has nothing to do with his work ethic. He’s one of the hardest workers in the NBA, and an easy guy to root for because of that. But something between the ears isn’t clicking. He isn’t very built or strong or has a freakish wingspan, so that stuff hurts him too.

It’s honestly not a bad fit. I think Dallas should be looking at ways already to alleviate the play making load from Doncic. Lavine would slot in 3rd in the pecking order, which suits him better, maybe even off the bench.

If they can add him without effecting their 2021 cap space, I think they have to look at it. But I’m not sure what Chicago would want in that case. The assets don’t really line up.

Thanks for the response. I know Rick and the Mavs have been decent at making guys more efficient offensively and having them buy into team defense, but this surely isn't the best way to improve the Mavs' most glaring weakness, which is wing defense. Would certainly open the door to deal Seth, if he wasn't included in the deal for LeVine. That might bring back a solid wing defender, but then they're trying to daisy-chain deals together.

Oh well, we should all know soon enough.