Trade Ideas Thread, 2020-21

[fallguy]

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This guy seems legit though.

Separate reports of deals with NO/Indy does suggest a threeway.

Jrue would be a Romeo killshot.

[Homerclease]

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This guy seems legit though.

Only 6k followers but that’s two guys now reporting this.

So it’s Hayward + mid lotto pick and salary filler (Kanter, Vinnie) for Turner AND Jrue?

[SmartWentCrazy]

Sounds like the Celtics are leaking that its time to make your final offer if you want Hayward.

[Bleeding Green]

I can't believe prime Hayward signing as a max free agent could potentially turn into three years of nothing and then a mediocre point guard and some big. Celtics have paid back a lot to the karma gods since 1986. I'd rather lose Hayward for free I think.

[celticfan42487]

Going from Hayward and a high lottery pick to Jrue seems like a loss of value.

That said, that's the punishment we get for not getting rid of Hayward earlier which all ties back to his injury.

We can't go into this season with Hayward on this roster, he will leave to a contender and even if he doesn't his body is too much of a timebomb to resign for 4 years or so like he'd want.

It's a risk only a true contender could take and we're at least 1 MVP level player to pair with Tatum away from that luxury.

It hurts, but it would not be the biggest loss of value like a Hayward walking would be.

I don't believe in a Jrue/Kemba/Smart's backcourt ability to defend in the playoffs though. It wouldn't be HORRIBLE but we say with FVV and Lowry who are both excellent defenders that Kemba is no where near... at some point in the playoffs if comes down to genetics and when you're that small you will be forced to give up room either in the pick and roll as they drive to the basket or jumpers coming off curls. In the end you're too short.

Yeah so 2 all nba defenders all of a suddenly can’t guard in the playoffs?

Some people on this board think we need 5 all-nba defenders at all times to defend and 5 jj redicks to have proper spacing.

Smart can guard all 5 positions but can't score or playmake well enough to start and still win (unless again you have a stacked lineup and can get the ball out of his hands and force him to be off ball where he would excel as a 3 point threat and secondary playmaker).

But that said, are we playing Smart and Jrue? No we're not so your point is invalid here.

Then is Jrue Smart and can guard all 5 positions? No he can't he's an all NBA defender at the PG spot because it's relative to PG defenders, not NBA defenders.

If we walk into a matchup against the Greek Freak, LeBron, or Kawhi and they get to all game long choose a pick and role of guys weaker than them, shorter than them, and likely less athetic then them. Then that's not a championship team.

Then you add onto it with Kemba and Jrue being 30 year old PGs who are at that point historically always going to jump off a cliff athletically any given season.

It's not a BAD team. It's a Conference Championship team, but it's not a contender team.

I would do it if I'm the Celtics for sure because this draft sucks and we're losing Hayward. But I'm not ecstatic about it. You'd hope our scouting department could find the gem in this draft with a lottery pick and at least get a prospect on the level of Smart. Then you would be better off keep that player and trading Hayward for a future first rounder.

Again our team's core is under 25 years old, we need to be building for 3 years from now, not next season. Again not a bad team, and I still think it's a good GM move. But it's more due to what we'd be forced to do instead of celebrating what has been done. (like an IT for a first rounder was a celebration trade, a Nets trade, a KG trade. Trades we won instead of netted even or lost).

[hugepatsfan]

Kemba / Jrue / Brown / Tatum / Turner would be one hell of a starting 5. In theory Hayward/Smart/picks should be enough value going out to make that happen.

[playa-hater]

Idk why we keep talking about Kemba being moved. It seems pretty clear to me Hayward would be the piece being moved out in any trade scenarios involving big salary.

It's Hayward. Doubtful he picks up and leaves without helping the Celtics. It's a help me and I'll help you situation between Hayward/Boston. Remember, Boston gave him a ton of money and was very patient with his rehab. Boston has given him every opportunity to be successful in Boston including throwing him back in the starting lineup in year 2 when he probably shouldn't have been in there to start. Unfortunately for Hayward the situation in Boston changed dramatically from when he first signed in Boston. Tatum/Brown emerging changed things. Kyrie leaving changed things. A lot has changed. That's why right after this season I rushed to the computer to talk about how it's very likely that Hayward is the one that would like to move on. However, he is close with Brad Stevens. Mutual respect and love there. And I believe Hayward and Ainge have a good relationship as well. So it's Hayward.

Doubtful Smart gets moved. He's the heart & soul of this team. Means too much to the organization at this point and is just entering his prime years.
Tatum/Brown aren't going anywhere.
Kemba is too early in his deal for Ainge to give up on him. Ainge liked Kemba. Tatum/Kemba have the Jordan brand connection. Kemba is going to be here at least another season before his name pops up in trade rumors.

Hayward/Theis/Picks is the most appealing pieces. If Indy likes Hayward, Boston likes Jrue/Turner, and Nola wants another lottery pick then there's your deal

Yup. Hayward and the Celtics FO have a good relationship. I think it's very likely Hayward decides to opt-in with an agreement that the Celtics will send him to a team of his choosing (Indiana?) or even a sign-and-trade with a commitment from both sides to make it work.

Hayward gets what he wants by going to a team like Indiana that's his home, gets a bigger role, while still being on a playoff team.

Celtics get what they want by landing Jrue or Jrue + Turner (Would imagine Celtics feel confident Jrue stays long-term)

Pelicans get what they want by turning an expiring Jrue Holiday into a top 10 pick.

It's also possible that Turner ends up on the Pelicans while the Pelicans send their #13 pick to Indiana?

That version would look like

Celtics: Jrue Holiday

Pelicans: Turner + Top 10 pick

Pacers: Hayward + 13

New York or Detroit: #14, #26, #30

F Boston gave up Gordon Hayward and all 3 number 1 draft picks for.just Jrue. It would be the worst trade Danny ainge has ever made. And I would be the president of fire Danny ainge club

[Bleeding Green]

Kemba / Jrue / Brown / Tatum / Turner would be one hell of a starting 5. In theory Hayward/Smart/picks should be enough value going out to make that happen.

Damn that's almost as good as Walker/Brown/Hayward/Tatum/Theis.

[hugepatsfan]

Let's say some framework of Hayward for Turner happens. Assume no other rotation players are involved. I wonder if HOU would have interest in a Theis for Tucker deal. If we get Turner then Theis is a backup while Tucker would give us the tough defensive 4 to round out the lineup.

Kemba / Brown / Tatum / Tucker / Turner is pretty sweet defensively. Not to mention Smart off the bench still.

[yeleven11]

Yeah so 2 all nba defenders all of a suddenly can’t guard in the playoffs?

Some people on this board think we need 5 all-nba defenders at all times to defend and 5 jj redicks to have proper spacing.

Smart can guard all 5 positions but can't score or playmake well enough to start and still win (unless again you have a stacked lineup and can get the ball out of his hands and force him to be off ball where he would excel as a 3 point threat and secondary playmaker).

But that said, are we playing Smart and Jrue? No we're not so your point is invalid here.

Then is Jrue Smart and can guard all 5 positions? No he can't he's an all NBA defender at the PG spot because it's relative to PG defenders, not NBA defenders.

If we walk into a matchup against the Greek Freak, LeBron, or Kawhi and they get to all game long choose a pick and role of guys weaker than them, shorter than them, and likely less athetic then them. Then that's not a championship team.

Then you add onto it with Kemba and Jrue being 30 year old PGs who are at that point historically always going to jump off a cliff athletically any given season.

It's not a BAD team. It's a Conference Championship team, but it's not a contender team.

I would do it if I'm the Celtics for sure because this draft sucks and we're losing Hayward. But I'm not ecstatic about it. You'd hope our scouting department could find the gem in this draft with a lottery pick and at least get a prospect on the level of Smart. Then you would be better off keep that player and trading Hayward for a future first rounder.

Again our team's core is under 25 years old, we need to be building for 3 years from now, not next season. Again not a bad team, and I still think it's a good GM move. But it's more due to what we'd be forced to do instead of celebrating what has been done. (like an IT for a first rounder was a celebration trade, a Nets trade, a KG trade. Trades we won instead of netted even or lost).

Name a realistic scenario where we can get a guy just as strong, just as quick, and just as athletic as Giannis, Lebron, or Kawhi. That seems like an unreal bar to set for any team. Also, guarding those types of guys are more about team defense and executing a game plan to limit them as much as possible. You don't just stick a guy on those types and leave him on an island.

[hugepatsfan]

Kemba / Jrue / Brown / Tatum / Turner would be one hell of a starting 5. In theory Hayward/Smart/picks should be enough value going out to make that happen.

Damn that's almost as good as Walker/Brown/Hayward/Tatum/Theis.

Jrue > Hayward, Turner > Theis. Stop being biased.

[SmartWentCrazy]

This is ideally what Boston wants, to trade Hayward and to get a key player for him with other assets being attached. This is why his agent has been so aggressive but if Atlanta and him can't come to a deal, this is ultimately going to be what happens. He knows this which is why he was looking go possibly get out.

It will be interesting to say the least.

Hawks dude. Sounds like there is some serious smoke here.

[Fencer reregistered]

Trade for Holiday and Redick, bring Baynes back.

Kemba/Smart
Holiday/Redick
Jaylen/Romeo
Tatum/Grant
Baynes/Theis/RW3

I would beyond love Baynes for this team as he's a perfect fit, however isn't there a rule that would still be in place that wouldn't allow us to sign him?

If not I'd love him only second to Ibaka as a fit. He answers a ton of questions for us and is the perfect player to defend an Embiid or Greek Freak lineup while still punishing them with 3 point spacing on the offensive end. A lesser unicorn.

The Gary Payton Rule problems with Baynes all expired one year after getting rid of him, I'm nearly certain.

[Celts17Pride]

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This guy seems legit though.

Too much smoke now

[CelticsLV]

The whole framework seems way too complicated. Too many parties, too many pieces. Writing it off already.

[Bleeding Green]

Kemba / Jrue / Brown / Tatum / Turner would be one hell of a starting 5. In theory Hayward/Smart/picks should be enough value going out to make that happen.

Damn that's almost as good as Walker/Brown/Hayward/Tatum/Theis.

Jrue > Hayward, Turner > Theis. Stop being biased.

There is just no way. Hayward is better than Jrue and Theis is better than Turner. Myles Turner is talked about like he's Anthony Davis around here. I have no bias.

[Homerclease]

So three team, Theis and Hayward to Indy, Turner and Holiday to Boston, Dipo and let’s call it pick 8 to the Pels.

[GoGreen]

If Danny manages to lose both Kyrie and Hayward and get NOTHING back, that's going to be a big fat L on his resume. You know Gordon is working on some deals behind the scenes.

[fallguy]

WHEN WILL SOMEONE FINALLY SAY THE TRADE WINDS ARE BLOWING BECAUSE IT'S MORE THAN A LITTLE BREEZY IN HERE.

[fallguy]

If Danny manages to lose both Kyrie and Hayward and get NOTHING back, that's going to be a big fat L on his resume. You know Gordon is working on some deals behind the scenes.

Eh. It didn't cost him much to get them. Not everything works out, especially with Hayward's injury. If it's an L it's not a huge deal.

It is kind of funny how we thought the Kyrie-AD-Hayward era might unfold. And we're already past it and into the next (still very promising) era.