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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#2001 » by Coxy » Thu Nov 12, 2020 9:13 pm

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TB wrote:People are sleeping on Wendell Carter Jr.

His 2nd year numbers, while being 2 years younger, are almost identical to Horfords 2nd year. He's a slightly worse rim protector and passer, but again, thats being a couple years younger. Like Horford, he makes winning plays, no matter how simple and boring they are.

Getting Carter and Okoro for the 2nd pick would be very solid IMO. Imagine if then they can somehow get Gallo for the MLE and Rubio for the TPE....

Steph / Rubio / Bowman
Klay / Okoro / Poole
Wiggins / Gallo / Lee
Dray / Paschall / Smiley
Carter / Chriss / Looney


Some think its sleeping on Wendall Carter Jnr, others like me, would be saying you're reaching suggesting we trade for him using the #2.

He aint all that. He wouldn't immediately become our starting C, he'd just become a guy that is competing now against Looney and Chriss for the starting spot and then the minutes that we don't play Dray there. I'd say we already have his type here anyway, in Looney. I don't see the point in making him any sort of centrepiece for the #2.

I see no deal with the Bulls. None of their players get me excited for the #2 pick. I like Coby White as a guy to backup Steph, and Sato as a backup as well, but still wouldn't include the #2 for either.


Thats fair. I've been wrong many times before lol.

To me though, its not Carter "for the #2". Its only dropping back 2 picks, getting a guy that could potentially be better than Edwards, while also snagging a starting big. And ya, I think he's easily the starter on our team. He's 20 and already avg 10/10 with solid defense, which is basically better than anything we have started at center since Bogut. I see no reason to not believe that Carter trajectory has him as a 15/10 type big as early as next year.


Fair enough. If he improved enough to be a Bam light type, that'd be cool. If we moved back and were able to nab either Okoro or Williams, I'd be cool with that. The fear however, is that Wiseman goes on to be a monster, and Wendall remains just OK and the pick at #4 also just becomes a rotation piece. I am personally really high on Wiseman, so it's a pretty easy decision for me.
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#2002 » by shazam_guy » Thu Nov 12, 2020 9:14 pm

WCJ shoots a decent free-throw percentage. If there IS any interest in him, it may be that the Ws think his outside shot could be improved with good coaching.
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#2003 » by TB » Thu Nov 12, 2020 9:24 pm

shazam_guy wrote:WCJ shoots a decent free-throw percentage. If there IS any interest in him, it may be that the Ws think his outside shot could be improved with good coaching.


Ya he's a solid FT shooter, and shot 41% from the college 3 on small sample size (46 attempts). Not there yet, but I definitely think he will eventually be able to space the floor decently enough to provide space for others.
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Post#2004 » by TB » Thu Nov 12, 2020 10:07 pm

My annual rant on the NBAs lack of accurate measurements....

It is absurd that a professional league doesn't have exact barefoot height and weight for all players in draft, as well as requiring teams to do this at the start of every season with their roster. Huge decisions are being made without really knowing how big these guys are.
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Post#2005 » by HiRez » Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:43 pm

Magic Offering Aaron Gordon, No. 15 To Trade Up Into Lottery

This is kind of interesting considering the Warriors are continually linked to Gordon rumors. Gordon, Bamba, and the #15 for Wiggins and the #2?
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Post#2006 » by Hopper15 » Fri Nov 13, 2020 12:22 am

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Post#2007 » by wco81 » Fri Nov 13, 2020 1:35 am

So no jump shot but they love Lamelo's handles, ball on a string.

Regardless of how both Ball brothers turn out, franchise players, solid NBA players or busts, you have to give credit to Lavar, who's a laughingstock to many people.

But if both brothers are top 3 lotto picks, they are each going to make tens of millions on their rookie deals alone.

That's a smashing success when you look at millions of father or parents who shepherd their kids through athletics for scholarships and some small portion of them into professional careers.

Neither of the brothers may become the superstars that Lavar has hyped them to be but they'd still be wildly successful just by both getting drafted high in the lottery.

People will clown Lavar if both of them don't pan out, never get big second and third contracts. But they will still be laughing all the way to the bank if neither of them earn a dime in the NBA beyond their rookie deals.
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Post#2008 » by Mambomuziki » Fri Nov 13, 2020 2:32 am

TB wrote:
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TB wrote:People are sleeping on Wendell Carter Jr.

His 2nd year numbers, while being 2 years younger, are almost identical to Horfords 2nd year. He's a slightly worse rim protector and passer, but again, thats being a couple years younger. Like Horford, he makes winning plays, no matter how simple and boring they are.

Getting Carter and Okoro for the 2nd pick would be very solid IMO. Imagine if then they can somehow get Gallo for the MLE and Rubio for the TPE....

Steph / Rubio / Bowman
Klay / Okoro / Poole
Wiggins / Gallo / Lee
Dray / Paschall / Smiley
Carter / Chriss / Looney


A team who wants to get bigger will have 3 6'9'' centers on the roster.


Carter is like 260 with a 7'4 wingspan. He absolutely makes us a bigger team. Also, Okoro is a 225 tank. He also makes us bigger and stronger.

Besides, our best center during this run is Draymond, who is like 6'2. I'm not worried about getting taller to be honest. We need more players that are worthy of minutes. This move gets us 2 of them.
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#2009 » by whatisacenter » Fri Nov 13, 2020 2:43 am

wco81 wrote:So no jump shot but they love Lamelo's handles, ball on a string.

Regardless of how both Ball brothers turn out, franchise players, solid NBA players or busts, you have to give credit to Lavar, who's a laughingstock to many people.

But if both brothers are top 3 lotto picks, they are each going to make tens of millions on their rookie deals alone.

That's a smashing success when you look at millions of father or parents who shepherd their kids through athletics for scholarships and some small portion of them into professional careers.

Neither of the brothers may become the superstars that Lavar has hyped them to be but they'd still be wildly successful just by both getting drafted high in the lottery.

People will clown Lavar if both of them don't pan out, never get big second and third contracts. But they will still be laughing all the way to the bank if neither of them earn a dime in the NBA beyond their rookie deals.


while true, I would argue that they would have probably turned out to be better players if they had some actual coaching, learned defensive fundamentals and how to shoot a basketball.
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Post#2010 » by wco81 » Fri Nov 13, 2020 2:44 am

well they may get that coaching in the NBA.

While being paid millions!
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Post#2011 » by Flash Falcon X » Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:05 am

HiRez wrote:Magic Offering Aaron Gordon, No. 15 To Trade Up Into Lottery

This is kind of interesting considering the Warriors are continually linked to Gordon rumors. Gordon, Bamba, and the #15 for Wiggins and the #2?


Funny cause I was looking up late lotto picks who became stars from recent drafts and both Giannis and Kawhi were drafted #15.
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Post#2012 » by Free Ballin » Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:10 am

I know that the Bulls have deemed him untouchable, but I would hold out for Lauri. Lauri would bring an element we haven’t seen ona Warriors team. Unlike WCJ he has all star potential maybe send them something back like our second rounders or if absolutely necessary the Warriors 21 first, but I would also ask for Satoransky in that case. I would take Vassell at #4 but would consider Edwards if he lasted to #4. Depth would be dramatically increased at the center, backcourt and wing positions.
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Post#2013 » by Free Ballin » Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:17 am

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If I’m the Dubs I’m asking for Dembouya, He is looking like another Siakam.
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Post#2014 » by Mylie10 » Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:41 am

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If I’m the Dubs I’m asking for Dembouya, He is looking like another Siakam.


Same here. I’m beginning and ending the conversation with him.
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Post#2015 » by azwfan » Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:43 am

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If I’m the Dubs I’m asking for Dembouya, He is looking like another Siakam.


Same here. I’m beginning and ending the conversation with him.

Doumbouya + 7 or just Doumbouya? Seems like there's a significant gap in value between those two offers.
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Post#2016 » by Mylie10 » Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:49 am

Dembouya and number 7.

That’s what I want. If they don’t go there, I pick Wiseman. I might take Wiseman anyhow.
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Post#2017 » by vvoland » Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:00 am

Mylie10 wrote:Dembouya and number 7.

That’s what I want. If they don’t go there, I pick Wiseman. I might take Wiseman anyhow.


I really liked dembouya when he was younger but I wasn't thrilled at how it translated in the league in his first year. In a vacuum, I'm not sure that's enough to trade down 5 spots. I'd rather take an unprotected '21 than dembouya despite not expecting that to be a top 5 pick.

At this stage, I'd also probably take a swing at Wiseman instead of either of those detroit options (not saying they're real, btw).
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Post#2018 » by Phase 3 » Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:11 am

Mylie10 wrote:Dembouya and number 7.

That’s what I want. If they don’t go there, I pick Wiseman. I might take Wiseman anyhow.

Just take Wiseman. No need to get cute.
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Post#2019 » by Free Ballin » Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:27 am

azwfan wrote:
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Free Ballin wrote:If I’m the Dubs I’m asking for Dembouya, He is looking like another Siakam.


Same here. I’m beginning and ending the conversation with him.

Dembouya + 7 or just Dembouya? Seems like there's a significant gap in value between those two offers.


Dembouya and 7.

The trade down options are if Minny picks Wiseman or trades the #1 to Charlotte. To me if Wiseman is off the board then trade down and improve depth and fill center in FA.
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Post#2020 » by azwfan » Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:59 am

Free Ballin wrote:
azwfan wrote:
Mylie10 wrote:
Same here. I’m beginning and ending the conversation with him.

Doumbouya + 7 or just Doumbouya ? Seems like there's a significant gap in value between those two offers.


Dembouya and 7.

The trade down options are if Minny picks Wiseman or trades the #1 to Charlotte. To me if Wiseman is off the board then trade down and improve depth and fill center in FA.

Don't think DET offers Doumbouya (i heard he's the only untouchable they have in a trade like that).

He's the only guy I actually want from DET though. I guess if DET offers a #7+ future 1st + Kennard that may be interesting for me, but I really like Okoro and don't know if he'll be there at 7. I'll be disappointed if we get a bunch of small pieces to move down and end up with someone I'm less-than-thrilled with.
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