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Post#21 » by Neeva » Thu Nov 12, 2020 10:05 pm

jpatrick wrote:
Neeva wrote:Rosas likes Tyrese Haliburton? I think he will be good but not quite a star. His shot is weird.


Super smart player, great BBIQ, and player love playing with him. Shot is funky, causing some
concern it won’t translate to longer NBA range or have any versatility (off movement, etc). But not a huge red flag to me.

The bigger concern is just an inability to beat anyone one on one. Like none. Somehow, even though he has the ball in his hands the majority of the game, he only went to the foul line something like 71 times in 60 college game. Barely shot one FT per game despite having the ball that much? Seems almost impossible.

Back in 2019, Jarrett Culver completely dominated Haliburton in head to head matchups, it was not even close. Haliburton scored like 1 point in two games while Culver scored over 50. Culver is just one year older so I would not give up Culver and 17 to get Haliburton.
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Post#22 » by Dewey » Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:06 pm

Seems every day the Wolves like someone new ... :lol: . About 6 more days and 6 more players, then we'll have figure out who hasn't been named yet and assume that's the guy?? :dontknow:
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Post#23 » by Jedzz » Fri Nov 13, 2020 12:31 am

shrink wrote:For those that don’t have time for podcast:

Wolfson: As of Nov 5, the Wolves have interviewed Ball, Edwards, Halliburton, Killian Hayes, RJ Hampton, Scrubb (no workout, as reported on Twitter). They want interviews with Toppin (may have happened) and Wiseman. They may want interviews with Avdija and Okoro.

Lowe’s podcast: The ESPN draft experts (Givony and Schmitz) think LaMelo is far better than anyone in this draft class. Other teams do too.

Givony: “if you talk to the teams in the top ten, they are very excited about LaMelo. I’m hearing some of the offers to Minnesota, and they’re pretty good, relative to what you think is a bad #1 pick, and it doesn’t sound like they are going to make that move. So far, they are rebuffing those offers, and there’s going to be a second meeting with LaMelo. I expect he’ll have to get on the basketball court and show some stuff, but that might be enough for them to say,”we’re not trading the pick, and we’re committing to him.”


I thought Minnsota met with Bane early on.


Givony should release the offers he is supposedly hearing "relative to what you think is a bad #1 pick" or maybe just stop the hype feeding this is all about. We can decide for ourselves what "pretty good" offer is. I can't take a word he says seriously anymore. If his goal is to drum up value for MN or something then leak the offers and start snowballing it. But to sit here claiming he's got all this insider info that he's not going to share about interest and offers...whatever.
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Post#24 » by Midw35t » Fri Nov 13, 2020 12:35 am

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Read on Twitter


This was the last tweet posted in the other thread and I wanted to comment on it.

Who's to say Edwards won't be "locked in" once he gets the bag and gets a taste of NBA life?? He already wasn't locked in before his NBA dreams came true, this is very concerning. He's creating his own red flags every time I see him in the media


You're either locked into your passion or you're not and never will be. I want zero to do with Edwards.
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Post#25 » by jpatrick » Fri Nov 13, 2020 12:52 am

Read on Twitter


I don’t think Kennard is sufficient to move up. He’s essentially in the same boat as Beasley when we acquired him. He’s about to get paid, is undersized, and is a bad defender. He also has a history of injuries. Seems like most Pistons fans don’t hate the idea of him being moved instead of paid by them.

Doumbouya? Maybe but after an up and down season, he’s not a needle mover.

I think the only way the Pistons get it done is including a 21 or 22 very lightly protected pick and one of the above players. I could also see Snell (very meh but can shoot) or Mykhailiuk (promising shooter) being included. Depending on how Rosas views Ball, that may or may not be enough.
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Post#26 » by Neeva » Fri Nov 13, 2020 12:57 am

I am okay with two trade downs acquiring two future picks (from charlotte and Detriot) and the guy that Rosas apparently likes ( Haliburton at 7)
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Post#27 » by urinesane » Fri Nov 13, 2020 12:58 am

Jedzz wrote:
shrink wrote:For those that don’t have time for podcast:

Wolfson: As of Nov 5, the Wolves have interviewed Ball, Edwards, Halliburton, Killian Hayes, RJ Hampton, Scrubb (no workout, as reported on Twitter). They want interviews with Toppin (may have happened) and Wiseman. They may want interviews with Avdija and Okoro.

Lowe’s podcast: The ESPN draft experts (Givony and Schmitz) think LaMelo is far better than anyone in this draft class. Other teams do too.

Givony: “if you talk to the teams in the top ten, they are very excited about LaMelo. I’m hearing some of the offers to Minnesota, and they’re pretty good, relative to what you think is a bad #1 pick, and it doesn’t sound like they are going to make that move. So far, they are rebuffing those offers, and there’s going to be a second meeting with LaMelo. I expect he’ll have to get on the basketball court and show some stuff, but that might be enough for them to say,”we’re not trading the pick, and we’re committing to him.”


I thought Minnsota met with Bane early on.


Givony should release the offers he is supposedly hearing "relative to what you think is a bad #1 pick" or maybe just stop the hype feeding this is all about. We can decide for ourselves what "pretty good" offer is. I can't take a word he says seriously anymore. If his goal is to drum up value for MN or something then leak the offers and start snowballing it. But to sit here claiming he's got all this insider info that he's not going to share about interest and offers...whatever.


Is it outside of all possibility that Rosas and co are using him to artificially drive up the price of Melo if a team wants him? Doesn't take away from the value of Wiseman at #1 if you're looking to turn Ball hype into a legit player that can help the team be a winner.

Basically, if they are playing some 3D Chess then there's no way they would say anything bad about the top 3 guys, because it would only limit the possibilities of what MN may do at #1 if they end up picking.

Givony could be fed a lot of info from the Wolves to artificially drive up Melo's value in relation to pre-draft/draft day deals on a negotiating front, because if Melo and Edwards look bad pre-draft, it's basically Wiseman (which a lot of teams don't think we'll pick due to KAT being here) or trade out. Which means you are only able to negotiate that pick with teams that want Wiseman enough to give up an established star/high quality role player. Supply and Demand is at play and there's more demand for Edwards/Wiseman and Ball now than there will be next year (unless Wiseman clearly separates him from the rest of the rookie class his first year), because they won't all have good rookie years. If the Wolves are being smart they are just leveraging their #1 pick to be as valuable as possible by hyping up what has been seen as a weak draft (in relation to their not being clear future stars in the top two picks).

My hope is, if they don't get a good enough offer that gets them an established player that will help them win now (without it being a terrible contract) that they'll draft Wiseman and start establishing a new meta (or a team uniquely built to exploit the small ball trend).

Cautiously optimistic, but not really expecting anything this clever, because the Wolves never seem to make the move I'd like to see (besides drafting KAT... jebus I can't believe how many people around here actually thought Okafor would be better...)

Rosas please be different!

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Post#28 » by urinesane » Fri Nov 13, 2020 1:06 am

Hell, if we really want the Wolves to be successful, we should probably stop arguing amongst the top 3 and just hype all of them as much as we can.
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Post#29 » by ClarkeW » Fri Nov 13, 2020 1:07 am

Insightful video on LaMelo Ball. I’m not the biggest fan of the talent or the fit but I’m slowly starting to warm up to the eventuality that this seems to be the direction we’re going. When it does end up happening, I’ll just be hoping for the best.

https://www.theringer.com/video/2020/11/12/21557288/is-lamelo-ball-boom-bust-nba-draft-2020
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Post#30 » by theGreatRC » Fri Nov 13, 2020 1:45 am



Watching this, Doogie made some solid points;

Gersson is under pressure because Glen is selling the team & Lamelo is the best "asset" Gersson can get if he doesn't trade out of the pick, he's the guy that will sell the most tickets over Edwards & Wiseman.

I see us with Lamelo if we don't trade out of this pick
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Post#31 » by jpatrick » Fri Nov 13, 2020 1:50 am

I recommend listening to the Hollinger and Duncan podcast that came out today. I view Duncan as the best NBA podcast/media analyst out there at the moment and Hollinger is an analytics guy fresh off being VP of BB ops for Memphis. Good insight.

They go through their personal top 10s. Like most media, both think Ball is far and away the #1 guy in the draft.

Duncan has Wiseman 2 and Hollinger has Edwards 2.
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Post#32 » by theGreatRC » Fri Nov 13, 2020 1:59 am

jpatrick wrote:I recommend listening to the Hollinger and Duncan podcast that came out today. I view Duncan as the best NBA podcast/media analyst out there at the moment and Hollinger is an analytics guy fresh off being VP of BB ops for Memphis. Good insight.

They go through their personal top 10s. Like most media, both think Ball is far and away the #1 guy in the draft.

Duncan has Wiseman 2 and Hollinger has Edwards 2.


is it on YouTube?
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Post#33 » by Dewey » Fri Nov 13, 2020 2:02 am

theGreatRC wrote:

Watching this, Doogie made some solid points;

Gersson is under pressure because Glen is selling the team & Lamelo is the best "asset" Gersson can get if he doesn't trade out of the pick, he's the guy that will sell the most tickets over Edwards & Wiseman.

I see us with Lamelo if we don't trade out of this pick

That’s bull crap logic ... I don’t buy any of that
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Post#34 » by KGdaBom » Fri Nov 13, 2020 2:03 am

Neeva wrote:
jpatrick wrote:
Neeva wrote:Rosas likes Tyrese Haliburton? I think he will be good but not quite a star. His shot is weird.


Super smart player, great BBIQ, and player love playing with him. Shot is funky, causing some
concern it won’t translate to longer NBA range or have any versatility (off movement, etc). But not a huge red flag to me.

The bigger concern is just an inability to beat anyone one on one. Like none. Somehow, even though he has the ball in his hands the majority of the game, he only went to the foul line something like 71 times in 60 college game. Barely shot one FT per game despite having the ball that much? Seems almost impossible.

Back in 2019, Jarrett Culver completely dominated Haliburton in head to head matchups, it was not even close. Haliburton scored like 1 point in two games while Culver scored over 50. Culver is just one year older so I would not give up Culver and 17 to get Haliburton.

I'm not saying you're right or wrong, but great find.
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Post#35 » by KGdaBom » Fri Nov 13, 2020 2:31 am

jpatrick wrote:I recommend listening to the Hollinger and Duncan podcast that came out today. I view Duncan as the best NBA podcast/media analyst out there at the moment and Hollinger is an analytics guy fresh off being VP of BB ops for Memphis. Good insight.

They go through their personal top 10s. Like most media, both think Ball is far and away the #1 guy in the draft.

Duncan has Wiseman 2 and Hollinger has Edwards 2.

I've seen Ball play and I know the stats. How can I possibly be led to believe that he will even be a decent pro much less far and away the #1 guy in the draft?
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Post#36 » by TheDominator273 » Fri Nov 13, 2020 2:32 am

theGreatRC wrote:

Watching this, Doogie made some solid points;

Gersson is under pressure because Glen is selling the team & Lamelo is the best "asset" Gersson can get if he doesn't trade out of the pick, he's the guy that will sell the most tickets over Edwards & Wiseman.

I see us with Lamelo if we don't trade out of this pick
Which is a moronic take because there will be no tickets sold in Minnesota this season and by the time games can be attended Ball would no longer be the shiny new thing people want to go see.
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Post#37 » by KGdaBom » Fri Nov 13, 2020 2:34 am

Dewey wrote:
theGreatRC wrote:

Watching this, Doogie made some solid points;

Gersson is under pressure because Glen is selling the team & Lamelo is the best "asset" Gersson can get if he doesn't trade out of the pick, he's the guy that will sell the most tickets over Edwards & Wiseman.

I see us with Lamelo if we don't trade out of this pick

That’s bull crap logic ... I don’t buy any of that

if you're talking about the selling tickets thing I really don't think Ball is worth more than maybe 50 tickets a game more than whoever else we might pick and then it will be winning or losing is all that counts.
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Post#38 » by theGreatRC » Fri Nov 13, 2020 2:37 am

I think in this case of "selling tickets", the world has gone more and more streaming based and online (as with everything in life) and Lamelo might give us more eyes watching the team..I honestly don't care about that as I just want the team to be good and want us to get the best player..

I would put money on us trading out of the pick by wednesday
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Post#39 » by Jedzz » Fri Nov 13, 2020 2:43 am

urinesane wrote:
Jedzz wrote:
shrink wrote:For those that don’t have time for podcast:

Wolfson: As of Nov 5, the Wolves have interviewed Ball, Edwards, Halliburton, Killian Hayes, RJ Hampton, Scrubb (no workout, as reported on Twitter). They want interviews with Toppin (may have happened) and Wiseman. They may want interviews with Avdija and Okoro.

Lowe’s podcast: The ESPN draft experts (Givony and Schmitz) think LaMelo is far better than anyone in this draft class. Other teams do too.

Givony: “if you talk to the teams in the top ten, they are very excited about LaMelo. I’m hearing some of the offers to Minnesota, and they’re pretty good, relative to what you think is a bad #1 pick, and it doesn’t sound like they are going to make that move. So far, they are rebuffing those offers, and there’s going to be a second meeting with LaMelo. I expect he’ll have to get on the basketball court and show some stuff, but that might be enough for them to say,”we’re not trading the pick, and we’re committing to him.”


I thought Minnsota met with Bane early on.


Givony should release the offers he is supposedly hearing "relative to what you think is a bad #1 pick" or maybe just stop the hype feeding this is all about. We can decide for ourselves what "pretty good" offer is. I can't take a word he says seriously anymore. If his goal is to drum up value for MN or something then leak the offers and start snowballing it. But to sit here claiming he's got all this insider info that he's not going to share about interest and offers...whatever.


Is it outside of all possibility that Rosas and co are using him to artificially drive up the price of Melo if a team wants him? Doesn't take away from the value of Wiseman at #1 if you're looking to turn Ball hype into a legit player that can help the team be a winner.

Basically, if they are playing some 3D Chess then there's no way they would say anything bad about the top 3 guys, because it would only limit the possibilities of what MN may do at #1 if they end up picking.

Givony could be fed a lot of info from the Wolves to artificially drive up Melo's value in relation to pre-draft/draft day deals on a negotiating front, because if Melo and Edwards look bad pre-draft, it's basically Wiseman (which a lot of teams don't think we'll pick due to KAT being here) or trade out. Which means you are only able to negotiate that pick with teams that want Wiseman enough to give up an established star/high quality role player. Supply and Demand is at play and there's more demand for Edwards/Wiseman and Ball now than there will be next year (unless Wiseman clearly separates him from the rest of the rookie class his first year), because they won't all have good rookie years. If the Wolves are being smart they are just leveraging their #1 pick to be as valuable as possible by hyping up what has been seen as a weak draft (in relation to their not being clear future stars in the top two picks).

My hope is, if they don't get a good enough offer that gets them an established player that will help them win now (without it being a terrible contract) that they'll draft Wiseman and start establishing a new meta (or a team uniquely built to exploit the small ball trend).

Cautiously optimistic, but not really expecting anything this clever, because the Wolves never seem to make the move I'd like to see (besides drafting KAT... jebus I can't believe how many people around here actually thought Okafor would be better...)

Rosas please be different!

Edit:
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I may or may not be under the influence of some of that weed they confiscated from Malik Beasley's house.


You are probably completely right. I'm just tired of this old game. One thing though. Guess who Rosas is going to have to draft if he can't get what he wants and all the teams find something else to trade for instead. He'll risk alienating all the customers that also got sucked in if he doesn't draft him.

If all the guppy's wouldn't eat it all up and I wouldn't have to read 500 senseless rationalizations for how he will fit here it would be great. I can't tell anymore who is drinking the koolaid and who thinks they can help the cause by helping to feed the fish.
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Post#40 » by urinesane » Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:20 am

Jedzz wrote:
urinesane wrote:
Jedzz wrote:
I thought Minnsota met with Bane early on.


Givony should release the offers he is supposedly hearing "relative to what you think is a bad #1 pick" or maybe just stop the hype feeding this is all about. We can decide for ourselves what "pretty good" offer is. I can't take a word he says seriously anymore. If his goal is to drum up value for MN or something then leak the offers and start snowballing it. But to sit here claiming he's got all this insider info that he's not going to share about interest and offers...whatever.


Is it outside of all possibility that Rosas and co are using him to artificially drive up the price of Melo if a team wants him? Doesn't take away from the value of Wiseman at #1 if you're looking to turn Ball hype into a legit player that can help the team be a winner.

Basically, if they are playing some 3D Chess then there's no way they would say anything bad about the top 3 guys, because it would only limit the possibilities of what MN may do at #1 if they end up picking.

Givony could be fed a lot of info from the Wolves to artificially drive up Melo's value in relation to pre-draft/draft day deals on a negotiating front, because if Melo and Edwards look bad pre-draft, it's basically Wiseman (which a lot of teams don't think we'll pick due to KAT being here) or trade out. Which means you are only able to negotiate that pick with teams that want Wiseman enough to give up an established star/high quality role player. Supply and Demand is at play and there's more demand for Edwards/Wiseman and Ball now than there will be next year (unless Wiseman clearly separates him from the rest of the rookie class his first year), because they won't all have good rookie years. If the Wolves are being smart they are just leveraging their #1 pick to be as valuable as possible by hyping up what has been seen as a weak draft (in relation to their not being clear future stars in the top two picks).

My hope is, if they don't get a good enough offer that gets them an established player that will help them win now (without it being a terrible contract) that they'll draft Wiseman and start establishing a new meta (or a team uniquely built to exploit the small ball trend).

Cautiously optimistic, but not really expecting anything this clever, because the Wolves never seem to make the move I'd like to see (besides drafting KAT... jebus I can't believe how many people around here actually thought Okafor would be better...)

Rosas please be different!

Edit:
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I may or may not be under the influence of some of that weed they confiscated from Malik Beasley's house.


You are probably completely right. I'm just tired of this old game. One thing though. Guess who Rosas is going to have to draft if he can't get what he wants and all the teams find something else to trade for instead. He'll risk alienating all the customers that also got sucked in if he doesn't draft him.

If all the guppy's wouldn't eat it all up and I wouldn't have to read 500 senseless rationalizations for how he will fit here it would be great. I can't tell anymore who is drinking the koolaid and who thinks they can help the cause by helping to feed the fish.


Oh, I doubt I'm right... just hoping it's what they are doing for my own preferences :lol:

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