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Nope and Aldridge and the NBAPA wouldn't do it if it were.Kerrsed wrote:And does anyone know if there is a way to restructure a players contract if both the player and FO agree on it? Like Aldridge is set to make $24M next season, what if we say we will extend his contract by 2 years, but instead of $24M he will get $12 for each of the seasons (3yr $36M instead of 1y $24M). Is something like that even possible?
If you can add CP3 and Gallo the Suns make a huge jump. Could realistically finish anywhere in the top 4 in the west.Kerrsed wrote:AtheJ415 wrote:The PF is very obviously Galo. I would like Wood or Gordon instead personally but Galo would be my 2nd best bet behind them.
It very well could be! I'd say there probably a bigger chance its him over anyone else.
Its kinda crazy, the 2 biggest reasons the Thunder did as well as they did last season were CP3 and Gallo, and here we could possibly be adding them to our team that juuuuuuuuussssssst missed out of the playoffs. I'd say our roster (Minus Rubio and Oubre) is twice or even 3 times as good as OKC (Minus CP3 and Gallo).
Jones and Thompson played 3 seasons together in Cleveland. Think he is a sleeper one year deal guy at the mini-mid level or biannual if he can't find a large, multi year deal - which should be hard to find this offseason.Slim Charless wrote:Kerrsed wrote:Ok, so i just got done listening to that Podcast with Flex and this is what i took away from it:
CP3 is working his connections. That was straight out said. Talked about a player taking a lower amount to come here and play next to Paul. Kept making references to PF, so im thinking its either Gallinari or Millsap.
Now i didnt mention Melo there, and thats because he is already getting paid the minimum and wouldnt need to take a paycut. Even though he says he likes it in Portland, i tend to believe that if his good friend Chris gave him a call and said we going on a title run with the Suns and could use you as a spark off the bench, he probably would be down with the move.
But then a little bit later he mentioned that they were trying to put something big together and other teams were scared and something about a trade before the CP3 trade, bringing in a guy to put next to Ayton that would help Ayton turn into the monster that he can be, and a guy that just might push CP3 back towards being our #4 scorer (Behind Booker/Ayton and the Mystery man). Well i started looking at Rosters for PF's that we might be able to trade for that could be talking to CP3.......and i hate to say it but Aldridge popped into my mind. Spurs are looking to completely change up their team, if theres a way to get it done a CP3/Booker/Bridges/Aldridge/Ayton squad would be looked at as a top 4 team (Once again Flex mentioned what the Suns were trying to do would easily make us a top 4 team).
It seems like CP3 is really gun-ho about the Suns and made it sound like he is doing everything he can to not only get here, but get others to come here for cheap and a chance to win a ring. So if we could pull off something like i posted above, it wouldnt surprise me if we end up signing guys like Melo and Milsap, former all-stars at the end of the careers getting a season or two to try to finally win a title. Im trying to come up with a few more names that might fit the bill but am drawing a blank, so if anyone can think of one let me know. I was going to say Gay, but i see he still has a full guaranteed year left on his contract.
Also sounds like its a toss up if we keep the pick. We would like to keep it (Or just have a pick in the 1st be it ours or another teams), but we might need to use our #10 in a big 4 way to get CP3, or even in another trade that may be being put together (Sounds like we should know more about THAT deal in a few days).
Draft section wasnt really about any real Suns info, more so opinions about the guards.
Overall it was a real solid podcast, much better than a lot of the Suns podcasts i see. I would recommend.
Jae Crowder comes to mind in addition to Millisap. I'd also add Tristian Thompson even though I know he's already got 1 ring, I'm sure he'd love the PHX scene and he does do alot of the dirty things and is somewhat rugged- two traits that I'm sure we all would Ayton to pick up.
jredsaz wrote:If you can add CP3 and Gallo the Suns make a huge jump. Could realistically finish anywhere in the top 4 in the west.Kerrsed wrote:AtheJ415 wrote:The PF is very obviously Galo. I would like Wood or Gordon instead personally but Galo would be my 2nd best bet behind them.
It very well could be! I'd say there probably a bigger chance its him over anyone else.
Its kinda crazy, the 2 biggest reasons the Thunder did as well as they did last season were CP3 and Gallo, and here we could possibly be adding them to our team that juuuuuuuuussssssst missed out of the playoffs. I'd say our roster (Minus Rubio and Oubre) is twice or even 3 times as good as OKC (Minus CP3 and Gallo).
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Walt_Uoob wrote:That Flex guy also mentioned, when talking about the Suns trying to keep #10, that maybe we'd end up with something like #15 instead. So, huge conjecture here, but maybe #15 specifically came to mind because he knows Orlando with Gordon and 15 is a possibility. Don't see how we could end up with Paul, Gordon, and #15, especially if Gambo is right that Saric will be back, but maybe they're trying to find a way.
Walt_Uoob wrote:Walt_Uoob wrote:That Flex guy also mentioned, when talking about the Suns trying to keep #10, that maybe we'd end up with something like #15 instead. So, huge conjecture here, but maybe #15 specifically came to mind because he knows Orlando with Gordon and 15 is a possibility. Don't see how we could end up with Paul, Gordon, and #15, especially if Gambo is right that Saric will be back, but maybe they're trying to find a way.
TradeNBA thinks it's possible: https://tradenba.com/trades/g37oJPRWw
Suns send Rubio to Magic, Oubre to Mavs, and #10 to Magic. Paul, Gordon, and #18 in return.
Thunder send Paul to Suns and #25 to Mavs. Get Hardaway (expiring), Fournier (expiring), and #15.
Magic send Gordon to Suns, Fournier to Thunder, and #15 to Thunder. Get Rubio and #10.
Mavs send Hardaway to Thunder, #18 to Suns. Get back Oubre and #25.
Maybe the pick carousel could be tweaked and some future protected picks and other smaller pieces could be moved too, but I like it for all teams:
Mavs move back a bit in the draft, while upgrading and saving payroll for the year by swapping Hardaway for Oubre, and acquire Oubre's bird rights.
Magic give up Gordon to: move up in the draft, offload the last year of Fournier, bring in the steady hand of Rubio to work with their young core (much like him coming to PHX last year), and reduce payroll.
Thunder get out of Paul's contract in exchange for the smaller and shorter Hardaway/Fournier deals and get to move up ten spots in the draft.
Suns take on the most salary and move down in the draft, but get the best current player in Paul and arguably a better balanced roster by turning Oubre into Gordon. The #18 should net us Bane or Riller or another of the many prospects we've discussed in that range.
Paul/Booker/Bridges/Gordon/Ayton would be really intriguing. Not sure how much of our bench we could keep in this scenario, but Payne/Carter/Bane/Cam/Saric would be alright. We'd have some holes yet to fill but this would be a heck of a team.
Kerrsed wrote:And does anyone know if there is a way to restructure a players contract if both the player and FO agree on it? Like Aldridge is set to make $24M next season, what if we say we will extend his contract by 2 years, but instead of $24M he will get $12 for each of the seasons (3yr $36M instead of 1y $24M). Is something like that even possible?
Gallo probably comes as a free agent. Suns lose some depth but worth it. Agree to the CP3 trade but don't execute immediately. Maintain a roster of Rubio and Oubre (to be traded for CP3), Booker, Bridges, Cam, Ayton, Carter, Payne, Lecque, Jerome, and #10, (with one roster hold) the Suns have $16 million to $17 million to play with.BobbieL wrote:jredsaz wrote:If you can add CP3 and Gallo the Suns make a huge jump. Could realistically finish anywhere in the top 4 in the west.Kerrsed wrote:
It very well could be! I'd say there probably a bigger chance its him over anyone else.
Its kinda crazy, the 2 biggest reasons the Thunder did as well as they did last season were CP3 and Gallo, and here we could possibly be adding them to our team that juuuuuuuuussssssst missed out of the playoffs. I'd say our roster (Minus Rubio and Oubre) is twice or even 3 times as good as OKC (Minus CP3 and Gallo).
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For the Suns - for this trade to be a success - there has to be more than of course CP3. Whether its GAllo or Christian Wood; plus what 2G is out there (Courtney Lee for cheap, Galloway). But - if the Suns do say get Paul and Gallo - thats big time
I also can see if the "Kerrsed trade" goes through - both the Mavericks and Clippers are better too
Thunder playing the long game.
That trade machine is busted. Incoming salary at that level can only be 125% plus 100k of the out going salary. So for Oubre ($14M) and Rubio ($17M) the maximum that the suns could receive back is $38.75 million.Walt_Uoob wrote:Walt_Uoob wrote:That Flex guy also mentioned, when talking about the Suns trying to keep #10, that maybe we'd end up with something like #15 instead. So, huge conjecture here, but maybe #15 specifically came to mind because he knows Orlando with Gordon and 15 is a possibility. Don't see how we could end up with Paul, Gordon, and #15, especially if Gambo is right that Saric will be back, but maybe they're trying to find a way.
TradeNBA thinks it's possible: https://tradenba.com/trades/g37oJPRWw
Suns send Rubio to Magic, Oubre to Mavs, and #10 to Magic. Paul, Gordon, and #18 in return.
Thunder send Paul to Suns and #25 to Mavs. Get Hardaway (expiring), Fournier (expiring), and #15.
Magic send Gordon to Suns, Fournier to Thunder, and #15 to Thunder. Get Rubio and #10.
Mavs send Hardaway to Thunder, #18 to Suns. Get back Oubre and #25.
Maybe the pick carousel could be tweaked and some future protected picks and other smaller pieces could be moved too, but I like it for all teams:
Mavs move back a bit in the draft, while upgrading and saving payroll for the year by swapping Hardaway for Oubre, and acquire Oubre's bird rights.
Magic give up Gordon to: move up in the draft, offload the last year of Fournier, bring in the steady hand of Rubio to work with their young core (much like him coming to PHX last year), and reduce payroll.
Thunder get out of Paul's contract in exchange for the smaller and shorter Hardaway/Fournier deals and get to move up ten spots in the draft.
Suns take on the most salary and move down in the draft, but get the best current player in Paul and arguably a better balanced roster by turning Oubre into Gordon. The #18 should net us Bane or Riller or another of the many prospects we've discussed in that range.
Paul/Booker/Bridges/Gordon/Ayton would be really intriguing. Not sure how much of our bench we could keep in this scenario, but Payne/Carter/Bane/Cam/Saric would be alright. We'd have some holes yet to fill but this would be a heck of a team.
El Hespiritu wrote:To all the guys who were doing jokes and/or stating their serious thoughts with jokes and made me laugh:
Thanks.
But to all guys who were expressing serious thoughts not pretending at all to be funny and yet made me laugh so hard I almost got in tears and peed my pants:
Infinite and Eternal Gratitude.
You won't ever be forgotten.
Men, I don't actually think we all appreciate Sarver as he deserves.
I promised not to comment about THE UNMENTIONABLE 'til Draft Night or Official Franchise Statement and I'm a man of my word.
But let me spoil this: Knowing some one will be better than some other during the whole next 2 years amazes me.
I'm not sure even if it's semiothically correct, according Oxford's English dictionaries I've read.
I'd go for Supposing, Guessing, Expecting, Believing, Foreseeing, Prophetizing, Being Told By The Gods In A Dream, Read On A Note Aliens Sent Me, Heard During A Thelepatical Connection With Transdimensional Beings...
... but by no means Knowing.
The only possible conclussion is I should improve my English.
What is hardly fresh news for anyone who read me before, 'course.
Gallo, he's such a better of a fit with Ayton.Fo-Real wrote:Just a couple random thoughts... Gallo running full speed makes me wince, have you ever watched The Rock run? Both look like you would be able to hear their knees SQUEAKING!!! And I am just not a fan of Finny-Smith, someone threw his name out. Also a question, if you had a choice between Gallo and Aldridge, who would you rather have?
El Hespiritu wrote:If any of my words or concepts happens to be too cryptical for you, I ask you to point them out and I'll try my best to clarify them.
And if asking isn't nice enough, I beg.
WeekapaugGroove wrote:Gallo, he's such a better of a fit with Ayton.Fo-Real wrote:Just a couple random thoughts... Gallo running full speed makes me wince, have you ever watched The Rock run? Both look like you would be able to hear their knees SQUEAKING!!! And I am just not a fan of Finny-Smith, someone threw his name out. Also a question, if you had a choice between Gallo and Aldridge, who would you rather have?
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jredsaz wrote:That trade machine is busted. Incoming salary at that level can only be 125% plus 100k of the out going salary. So for Oubre ($14M) and Rubio ($17M) the maximum that the suns could receive back is $38.75 million.Walt_Uoob wrote:Walt_Uoob wrote:That Flex guy also mentioned, when talking about the Suns trying to keep #10, that maybe we'd end up with something like #15 instead. So, huge conjecture here, but maybe #15 specifically came to mind because he knows Orlando with Gordon and 15 is a possibility. Don't see how we could end up with Paul, Gordon, and #15, especially if Gambo is right that Saric will be back, but maybe they're trying to find a way.
TradeNBA thinks it's possible: https://tradenba.com/trades/g37oJPRWw
Suns send Rubio to Magic, Oubre to Mavs, and #10 to Magic. Paul, Gordon, and #18 in return.
Thunder send Paul to Suns and #25 to Mavs. Get Hardaway (expiring), Fournier (expiring), and #15.
Magic send Gordon to Suns, Fournier to Thunder, and #15 to Thunder. Get Rubio and #10.
Mavs send Hardaway to Thunder, #18 to Suns. Get back Oubre and #25.
Maybe the pick carousel could be tweaked and some future protected picks and other smaller pieces could be moved too, but I like it for all teams:
Mavs move back a bit in the draft, while upgrading and saving payroll for the year by swapping Hardaway for Oubre, and acquire Oubre's bird rights.
Magic give up Gordon to: move up in the draft, offload the last year of Fournier, bring in the steady hand of Rubio to work with their young core (much like him coming to PHX last year), and reduce payroll.
Thunder get out of Paul's contract in exchange for the smaller and shorter Hardaway/Fournier deals and get to move up ten spots in the draft.
Suns take on the most salary and move down in the draft, but get the best current player in Paul and arguably a better balanced roster by turning Oubre into Gordon. The #18 should net us Bane or Riller or another of the many prospects we've discussed in that range.
Paul/Booker/Bridges/Gordon/Ayton would be really intriguing. Not sure how much of our bench we could keep in this scenario, but Payne/Carter/Bane/Cam/Saric would be alright. We'd have some holes yet to fill but this would be a heck of a team.
This is the first time I've actually done the math. If the Suns wait until the next season to execute a CP3 trade, for free agency reasons, they will have to send Jerome ($2.3M) out too just to make the money work.
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Kerrsed wrote:Slim Charless wrote:Ha. I was actually wondering about that. Between all the Kardasians I'm not sure if TT and Booker would be cool in the locker room together. If so, he COULD actually offer us some good backup big mins and could teach Ayton a thing or 2. On a serious note though, all of this would depend on CP3 and his ability to basically be the same guy he was this past season; both health-wise and leader-wise. If he is that same guy....I mean we have way more talent than that OKC team he played with and he's also never played with a SG as good as Booker in his entire HOF career...J/S
