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2019-2020 College/Draft thread 13: One week to go

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Obi Toppin
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12%
Tyrese Maxey
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4%
Isaac Okoro
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9%
Killian Hayes
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33%
Aaron Nesmith
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4%
RJ Hampton
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2%
Kira Lewis
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25%
Patrick Williams
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2%
Devin Vassell
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3%
Other
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread 13: One week to go 

Post#1161 » by -YogiBiz- » Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:48 pm

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He's diet Lowry, not as good of a creator/finisher, but that's really who his game resembles the most, especially on defense.


If we draft Hayes, signing FVV would be a perfect compliment.

He’s not bad but he’s not an ideal option for a trash rebuilding team like the Knicks. He’s about to turn 27 years old and he’s not a good first option. That’s what he’s gonna be when he’s on the Knicks. Let him go somewhere else.

This is my feelings on the subject also. Good player, not right for this team whose a few pieces away from even being a good team let a lone contending. We’re gonna have to pay up to get him. Can’t see him coming here for anything less than max.. paying him max would be a mistake


Who else are we going to use that money on?
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Post#1162 » by Capn'O » Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:48 pm

Julius would be fine on offense somewhere with a better guard and where he'd be lower in the pecking order.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread 13: One week to go 

Post#1163 » by 3toheadmelo » Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:49 pm

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I'd be more ok with Randle if it wasn't for the fact that between RJ and Mitch being viewed as our young core he is a very poor fit with them. He's not nearly as bad as people make him out to be but he is a terrible fit. We need a stretch 4, desperately


most teams need a stretch 4 because there a very few stretch 5's. So he is a bad fit at least as a starter for like 95% of teams.

He also doesn't play defense. So he its not a surprise he never has played on winning teams.

He’s a good fit on the Mavs, Pacers, Suns, Heat, Memphis
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread 13: One week to go 

Post#1164 » by god shammgod » Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:49 pm

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We don't know whether or not RJ is a first option in the long term, but the question for next season is, if it's not RJ who is it? Forget FVV for one second, who is our first option going into next season?

Fred is going to go where he gets money and where he can have a expanded role, we're building right now with RJ in mind. If he picks the Pistons then I'll agree it was solely about the shots.

Knicks don’t have a first option. Next years draft is gonna have one. Fred van felton is only gonna prevent us from getting one. He’s not the long term answer for us.


That whole first option thing is limiting. Miami doest have a true first option. You have a bunch of very good players that fit well together and they go to the hottest player on any given day. I say we go that route - build a TEAM and stop with the incessant star phucking so early in the process.


miami is gonna trade a bunch of those good players for a star first chance they get. they're not a real contender until they do so.
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Post#1165 » by 3toheadmelo » Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:50 pm

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We don't know whether or not RJ is a first option in the long term, but the question for next season is, if it's not RJ who is it? Forget FVV for one second, who is our first option going into next season?

Fred is going to go where he gets money and where he can have a expanded role, we're building right now with RJ in mind. If he picks the Pistons then I'll agree it was solely about the shots.

Knicks don’t have a first option. Next years draft is gonna have one. Fred van felton is only gonna prevent us from getting one. He’s not the long term answer for us.


That whole first option thing is limiting. Miami doest have a true first option. You have a bunch of very good players that fit well together and they go to the hottest player on any given day. I say we go that route - build a TEAM and stop with the incessant star phucking so early in the process.

Why do you think Miami is gunning for Giannis? Cause they need a true number one option.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread 13: One week to go 

Post#1166 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:50 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:If we know RJ isn’t a first option player then why put him in that role to fail?
Fred is def gonna take shots from him. He was recently saying he wants to be the lead guard on a team or something like that. He ain’t coming here to be a 2nd/3rd option.



We don't know whether or not RJ is a first option in the long term, but the question for next season is, if it's not RJ who is it? Forget FVV for one second, who is our first option going into next season?

Fred is going to go where he gets money and where he can have a expanded role, we're building right now with RJ in mind. If he picks the Pistons then I'll agree it was solely about the shots.

Knicks don’t have a first option. Next years draft is gonna have one. Fred van felton is only gonna prevent us from getting one. He’s not the long term answer for us.


We're gonna find out really quick if RJ has first option potential or not, cause that kid is gonna get shots up this year. And how does Fred stop us from drafting one of the wings next year? He's proven to be able to fit with multiple ball handlers.

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Post#1167 » by god shammgod » Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:53 pm

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It's the 13th draft thread on Friday the 13th. I knew this wasn't going to end well.

i dont even really want Schroder either, although maybe the lesser of the evils


i want to tank but that's out. they're gonna get somebody to play point i think even if they draft one. schroder is a 1 year deal. it won't cost much. maybe just "feet like rocks" kevin knox.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread 13: One week to go 

Post#1168 » by 3toheadmelo » Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:54 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
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We don't know whether or not RJ is a first option in the long term, but the question for next season is, if it's not RJ who is it? Forget FVV for one second, who is our first option going into next season?

Fred is going to go where he gets money and where he can have a expanded role, we're building right now with RJ in mind. If he picks the Pistons then I'll agree it was solely about the shots.

Knicks don’t have a first option. Next years draft is gonna have one. Fred van felton is only gonna prevent us from getting one. He’s not the long term answer for us.


We're gonna find out really quick if RJ has first option potential or not, cause that kid is gonna get shots up this year. And how does Fred stop us from drafting one of the wings next year? He's proven to be able to fit with multiple ball handlers.

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Yeah we’ll see how RJ does next season. But I think Fred is gonna stop us from getting a good pick. We’ll be picking in the 8-12 range with him imo. We’ll be missing out on a first option type player in the draft.

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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread 13: One week to go 

Post#1169 » by mpharris36 » Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:54 pm

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I'd be more ok with Randle if it wasn't for the fact that between RJ and Mitch being viewed as our young core he is a very poor fit with them. He's not nearly as bad as people make him out to be but he is a terrible fit. We need a stretch 4, desperately


most teams need a stretch 4 because there a very few stretch 5's. So he is a bad fit at least as a starter for like 95% of teams.

He also doesn't play defense. So he its not a surprise he never has played on winning teams.

He’s a good fit on the Mavs, Pacers, Suns, Heat, Memphis


mavs maybe

suns I think they have the perfect setup with Mikal and Cam spacing the floor. Ayton and Randle operate in a lot of the same spots

heat (bam and him dont fit well at all)

Pacers (yes but they have Sabonis)

Memphis

again most of those spots he would be valuable off the bench. But no one pays a bench piece 20+ million. So its why his trade market is pretty suppressed.
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Post#1170 » by thebuzzardman » Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:56 pm

In defense of FVV - who I'm on the fence about - get the pros and cons

The obvious con is price and it's impact on future FA hunting/flexibility etc. Sure, the best FA is 3 years away, but he'd get a 4 year deal and it's one of the basically 3 max slots teams generally have, tied up for the next 4 years

The pro is FVV plays well on and off the ball. Provides shooting from PG while not having to be the full time PG to be effective.

He'd provide some semblance of spacing and work well with Mitch and RJ, while still allowing Frank or DSJr or even another PG drafted still have a role (obviously this would be more likely to be at 27 if the Knicks "know" FVV will sign post draft)

The team would have some stability at the point for a few years

Obviously, doesn't seem to be a franchise player in this draft. FVV probably wouldn't move the needle THAT much this year to screw up draft position for 2021, where the Knicks get another shot at a franchise player, draft luck abiding.

There's a case for acquiring the right kind of role players, even when they cost a few bucks, to have around for when the franchise player shows up in the draft or that trade scenario or FA.

Knicks would still have to acquire extra picks, hit on 75% of their choices to build up the talent base, and also hitting on draft picks means the team has the ability to turn the roster over in a smart way, so the cap is managed with current and future flexibility in mind

There's an argument for Schroeder as well, in that he provides starting PG/6th man PG talent but only on a 1 year deal. I guess downside is he may decide to play more for his next contract etc, but a strong coach should sort that out.
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Post#1172 » by bigfnjoe96 » Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:58 pm

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Post#1174 » by 3toheadmelo » Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:00 pm

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most teams need a stretch 4 because there a very few stretch 5's. So he is a bad fit at least as a starter for like 95% of teams.

He also doesn't play defense. So he its not a surprise he never has played on winning teams.

He’s a good fit on the Mavs, Pacers, Suns, Heat, Memphis


mavs maybe

suns I think they have the perfect setup with Mikal and Cam spacing the floor. Ayton and Randle operate in a lot of the same spots

heat (bam and him dont fit well at all)

Pacers (yes but they have Sabonis)

Memphis

again most of those spots he would be valuable off the bench. But no one pays a bench piece 20+ million. So its why his trade market is pretty suppressed.

Ayton got a 3 ball now. I think it can work.
Bam is gonna let the 3 fly next season too.

I dont think Randle is solely a bench piece. I think on those teams I listed he can start.
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So, people already assume it's the Knicks losing their sh*t and going in for CP3 or Westbrook, but it's also possible Thibs is pushing for Mike Scott and Justin Holiday as players who fit what he wants to do, don't suck, and won't break the bank.
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Post#1176 » by DOT » Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:02 pm

If Westbrook comes here, that means he'll be in the Eastern conference for the first time in his career

He should have to change his name to Russell Eastbrook in that case.
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Post#1178 » by Deeeez Knicks » Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:05 pm

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Number 1: I don't trust the tabloids
Number 2: It could still be true

Also, it could be HALF true. I don't doubt any coach doesn't say to management "Hey, get me player X who helps rationalize the roster some"

So, people already assume it's the Knicks losing their sh*t and going in for CP3 or Westbrook, but it's also possible Thibs is pushing for Mike Scott and Justin Holiday as players who fit what he wants to do, don't suck, and won't break the bank.


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Post#1180 » by 3toheadmelo » Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:08 pm

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