Miami Heat Speculation Thread - 2020 and beyond...

[RexBoyWonder]

It's mot even about whether you like Giannis over Harden as a player or as a fit.

It's about ADDING Giannis as opposed to TRADING for Harden.

One will cost you our best assets (Picks + Herro + Duncan + more) when the other cost us nothing if we wait a year.

But trading for one guarantees him here, we have nothing but whispers of possibility with Giannis.

That's like saying we should sign Carlos Bozzer in 2009 before then big 3 came together.

sometimes you owe it yourself to think big, think long term, take a leap of faith.

The most puzzling part is - Since when TF does having Harden guarantee you anything?!
The guy was surrounded by elite talent his all career and got nothing to show for it.

[dolphinatik]

haha there is no way we are trading Bam for Brodie lol. U want me to die of an early heart attack? Westbrook no thank you. Harden, yes please. Im sure we could give up Herro for westbrook and trade that bad contract we are still paying.

[RexBoyWonder]

Giannis in free agency > Trading for 27 YO Beal > Trading for 31 YO Harden

[Hallstar]

It's mot even about whether you like Giannis over Harden as a player or as a fit.

It's about ADDING Giannis as opposed to TRADING for Harden.

One will cost you our best assets (Picks + Herro + Duncan + more) when the other cost us nothing if we wait a year.

But trading for one guarantees him here, we have nothing but whispers of possibility with Giannis.

That's like saying we should sign Carlos Bozzer in 2009 before then big 3 came together.

sometimes you owe it yourself to think big, think long term, take a leap of faith.

The most puzzling part is - Since when TF does having Harden guarantee you anything?!
The guy was surrounded by elite talent his all career and got nothing to show for it.

Nah, what you not gonna do is compare Harden to Boozer when Beal is actually the one who would be apt for that comparison. I'm not the biggest Harden fan, but I'm not about to argue with production in the West.

[Bishop45]

If you really don't care about fit at all and advocating putting talent above all - I'd love to hear why we should take Harden over Giannis.

For 1, he can shoot farther then 5 feet away from the basket.

He's made it to WCF with lesser teams and took the KD Warriors to 7 games-- something no other team in the league has done. Giannas on the other hand has been losing to lesser teams for a greater part of his playoff career-- and recently as a number 1 seed. He legitimately almost got swept by a number 5 seed and you want to know why I'd take Harden over him? Jokes

Harden has done more with less than any other player in the league not named Lebron; What playoff achievements makes Giannis teflon here?

[Bishop45]

It's mot even about whether you like Giannis over Harden as a player or as a fit.

It's about ADDING Giannis as opposed to TRADING for Harden.

One will cost you our best assets (Picks + Herro + Duncan + more) when the other cost us nothing if we wait a year.

Okay, right now- If you could get either Beal, Harden, or Giannis for the same money in FO, who would you choose and why?

[HeatIn5]

Caron Butler added as an assistant coach

[Kobewade11]

Ahh yes.. Pray do tell what area or advantage the 2 time MVP gives us compared to our present makeup over other contenders.

Not every MVP is equal! Why we have someone here scoffing at the idea of getting Westbrook. He was an MVP too.

I hope the Heat FO realises the value of someone like Giannis Vs someone like Harden. You what we've been spoiled by. We've been spoiled by an excellent system and lulled into thinking that any good player would work for us. I can't believe I still see someone calming that Giannis is damn near the best player . He is not close to it. With a Healthy Curry and KD, he is barely scratching top 10 and has severe limitations to his game. He isn't LeBron ! Far far from it. Also, his MVPs are Derrick Rose/ Westbrook like.

Im confused, was Westbrook the MVP last year? Is Westbrook 25 years old? Stop chit posting

[HeatingUp3]

I like this move. Caron Butler is Heat culture

[RexBoyWonder]

It's mot even about whether you like Giannis over Harden as a player or as a fit.

It's about ADDING Giannis as opposed to TRADING for Harden.

One will cost you our best assets (Picks + Herro + Duncan + more) when the other cost us nothing if we wait a year.

Okay, right now- If you could get either Beal, Harden, or Giannis for the same money in FO, who would you choose and why?

EASILY Giannis - because he's :

1) The youngest
2) 2 time deserving MVP
3) Has the most untapped potential - could grow the most under our guidance.
4) 2 way player.

Picking him doesn't make me a Harden hater, every sane GM would say the same. Picking Harden would make you his biggest fanboy.

[Seabass777]

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[dean456]

4 years younger,
Hungrier,
Better 3 point shooter,
Makes 10Mil$ less per year,
Fits the culture better,
Fits our offense better.

Lmao, he could be 10 years younger and never be the player Harden is

Hungrier? Lol based on what? Him getting to the second round like a decade ago, seriously, I'm interested in this answer

Over half of that is conjecture. Harden's at least TWO tiers ahead of him-- just admit that it's hate and not his age or income. Admit it.

I Admittedly don't like anything about Harden, it's no secret.

His style is unbearable to watch, he plays in a way that will REDUCE everyone else on the team, he's the Anti-Jimmy.

It's proven now that Harden's style doesn't win when it matters (playoffs, for many years now) and now he's starting to exit his prime when Beal is entering his.

Beal has been nothing but a soldier his all career despite being stuck on horrible team with an horrible org, he just keeps pushing and getting better every year being a team player, he's in great shape and if you ever heard him talk shop you know he lives and breaths the game.
Harden drove away EVERY star he played with and he played with a TON of talent, couldn't make it work with Durant, Westbrook, CP3, Dwight, he always underperforms in money time, usually by a lot, some of the most epic playoff collapses all time, his entire current team wants out from Houston and the guy is supposed to lead a team to the ship? come on now. He needs to get in shape first.

I'd take Beal over him given their ages and contracts for this team. Beal will also cost less trade assets.

Harden is just everything we're not - He's all about the stats, not even trying on defense, his own style, Hero-ball, regular season wins, shrinking under the bright lights.

If you really don't care about fit at all and advocating putting talent above all - I'd love to hear why we should take Harden over Giannis.

I 100% agree with you Rex. Harden to me is just one of those personalities that isn't going to conform to Miami Heat basketball. He's going to spend most of his time in Miami not being fully committed partying all the time. Harden doesn't ever play off the ball. Whenever he doesn't have the ball he usually mopes and stands still doing nothing. He isn't going to magically change just because he's in a Heat uniform.

I also agree that I would prefer that we wait until 2021 so we don't have to lose assets but I think the reason we might be forced to trade is that Bam might not want to wait for his extension which is forcing our hand.

But if we can retain Dragic and Crowder and add Gallinari at the MLE and maybe someone like Millsap and Matthews with the BAE/Vet Min while sending some variation of a package including some or all of Herro, Robinson, Nunn, 2020FRP, Iggy and Olynyk for one of Giannis, Harden, Beal or Holiday. Then we could have a very good offseason.

[Kobewade11]

Caron would seem to occupy the spot many wanted UD to have, he’ll be back

[DayofMourning]

you have got to be kidding me right.

Nope. Bam and the 20th for Brodie.

lol, you want these dudes on here to start day drinking

Totally forgot I posted this bit of troll content. Sorry fellas. Stop double fisting the fifths.

[Bishop45]

Picking him doesn't make me a Harden hater, every sane GM would say the same. Picking Harden would make you his biggest fanboy.

Case closed; Rex know's all the sane GM's and fanboy's by code and color. This was informative

[HeatIn5]

UD Back

[wadenation305]

I'd rather have

Dragic, Nunn
Butler, Herro
Robinson, Iggy, Kz
Giannis, Kelly, UD
Bam, Myers (or who ever we can get to replace em)

Than to have

Scrub1, Scrub2
Harden, Scrub3
Butler, Scrub 4
Scrub5, Scrub 6
Bam, Scrub 7

That's what a Harden trade looks like, it doesn't leave us in a better place, in fact it makes us much worse. Even if we don't get Giannis, that free agent class is loaded, just wait a year and see what happens.

[RonaldSeikaly]

I would not trade the farm for Harden. I wouldn’t do it for anybody though. I think the farm is what actually made the heat a ton of fun last year. As a result i wouldn’t offer enough to get any of these players.

I trust Riley and Jimmy to make sure Harden is bought in before making a move. So I’m going to set that aside and trust.

Beal isn’t being shopped around right now, and he’s a big step down from Harden and Giannis. Beal is an allstar, Harden and Giannis are hall of famers in their prime. Beal might be enough to get off over the top. The other two would make us favorites.

I’m all in favor of waiting to see who we can get next year. Claiming we will get Giannis next year is wrong, we have a shot and we aren’t even the favorites (bucks are the favorite).


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[Flash4thewin]

It's mot even about whether you like Giannis over Harden as a player or as a fit.

It's about ADDING Giannis as opposed to TRADING for Harden.

One will cost you our best assets (Picks + Herro + Duncan + more) when the other cost us nothing if we wait a year.

Look at AD and really think about what you are proposing.
AD is the best free agent this off-season. AD would be great on our team. Will it happen, lol. Pat can sit in front of him, give him the speech about culture winning and AD will laugh at him. The Lakers traded for AD. They could have waited but now have a ring.

Unless you are 100% sure player X is coming, you make the trade for a super star. We got lucky with the big three since we had the mvp of recruiting Wade. We have Butler, “you can’t guard me” doing the recruiting....

[Bishop45]

I'd rather have

Dragic, Nunn
Butler, Herro
Robinson, Iggy, Kz
Giannis, Kelly, UD
Bam, Myers (or who ever we can get to replace em)

Than to have

Scrub1, Scrub2
Harden, Scrub3
Butler, Scrub 4
Scrub5, Scrub 6
Bam, Scrub 7

That's what a Harden trade looks like, it doesn't leave us in a better place, in fact it makes us much worse. Even if we don't get Giannis, that free agent class is loaded, just wait a year and see what happens.

Lakers beat us with 2 stars and scrub 1-7