2020 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 -- (8PM, Wed, Nov. 18, ESPN)

[GoGreen]

All I can say is I'm bracing myself for a very boring draft day

[Jammer]

So according to this video, Hampton's weaknesses include defense, playmaking, shooting, which... I don't know, JUST the 3 things you're looking for most in a PG.

So what's with the appeal with this guy? It's all about potential?

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As far as I am concerned, with Point Guards, as opposed to undersized shooting guards, there are a few boxes that have to be checked Yes or you don't bother.

1) Can he run a team?? Needs to be able to break a press singlehandedly. Has to have mastered dribbling and finishing with either hand. If all these boxes are not checked, you don't draft the guy to be a PG.
2) Can he penetrate the lane and break a defense down to set the table for his teammates?? Requires a certain level of quickness, craftiness, vision and decision making. If all these boxes are not a Yes, you don't draft the guy as a PG. Nuances like making the pass so a player can score in one motion without reaching versus throwing some lame pass that wastes precious seconds to gather the ball have to be noted. It's the difference between a high IQ ball player and a lazy one.
3) Can he score? Must either have a shot (preferably) or the speed/athleticism to get to the rim and FINISH with either hand. If this box is not a yes, you don't draft the guy in the 1rst Round. If only 1 and 2 are yes, you are looking at a 2nd round PG.
4) Can he defend other PGs? Does he have the quickness to stay in front of his man. Does he have the size to handle the bigger PGs.

If a player checks 3 out of 4, he is a starter.
1 and 2 make him a 3rd string PG, which means a reserve (reserve means 3rd string), like Tremont Williams. If Williams could actually drill some 3's at a high percentage, suddenly he can play, but defensively, guys that small are an issue in the playoffs, as the better teams typically have players who can exploit the undersized PGs who do not possess LIGHTNING quick hands and feet.

Backup PGs (2nd string) typically have a limitation like not a good enough shooter to start, or not a good defender due to being severely undersized.

There ain't no room for development in any of the above. That is the minimum, before you put the player into conditioning training, shooting drills and repetition, film analysis, etc. Maybe you give a little leeway on shooting with the weaker hand, which can be improved and developed, if enough of the other "skill" boxes are checked before the player walks into the gym with the Celtics thinking this guy can play PG for them.

[Bleeding Green]

So according to this video, Hampton's weaknesses include defense, playmaking, shooting, which... I don't know, JUST the 3 things you're looking for most in a PG.

So what's with the appeal with this guy? It's all about potential?

Watch on YouTube

The appeal is that he's a tall, long guard with a wicked first step, who will be fantastic in transition game 1. Can blow by people on closeouts, big guard who can back smaller guards down in the post. I don't buy that a weakness is his defense. He looks fantastic defensively to me with great upside to guard multiple positions. No chance he will be a poor defender, especially if drafted by the Celtics. Who is the last athletic player they let develop into a poor defender? I don't know about his shot, looks kind of ugly to me, and very low-arcing, but I'm no scout. Mike Miller says it looks great but I wouldn't really put any stock into that. For sure, If he can't shoot, he will never be more than a slashing/defending kind of guard. Teams will just drop every PnR and dare him to shoot and that's game over. You can't be a lead guard without a jumper in this NBA unless you are Ben SImmons or Giannis.

Generally I really like these young players who go play against pros as soon as they can, shows a commitment to bettering their game that I like instead of just going to play for some college coach and be big man on campus for a year. he's been training in a pro-like environment for a year longer than his college counterparts, if nothing else.

[JHTruth]

So according to this video, Hampton's weaknesses include defense, playmaking, shooting, which... I don't know, JUST the 3 things you're looking for most in a PG.

So what's with the appeal with this guy? It's all about potential?

Watch on YouTube

As far as I am concerned, with Point Guards, as opposed to undersized shooting guards, there a few boxes that have to be checked Yes or you don't bother.

1) Can he run a team?? Needs to be able to break a press singlehandedly. Has to have mastered dribbling and finishing with either hand. If all these boxes are not checked, you don't draft the guy to be a PG.
2) Can he penetrate the lane and break a defense down to set the table for his teammates?? Requires a certain level of quickness, craftiness, vision and decision making. If all these boxes are not a Yes, you don't draft the guy as a PG. Nuances like making the pass so a player can score in one motion without reaching versus throwing some lame pass that wastes precious seconds to gather the ball have to be noted. It's the difference between a high IQ ball player and a lazy one.
3) Can he score? Must either have a shot (preferably) or the speed/athleticism to get to the rim and FINISH with either hand. If this box is not a yes, you don't draft the guy in the 1rst Round. If only 1 and 2 are yes, you are looking at a 2nd round PG.
4) Can he defend other PGs? Does he have the quickness to stay in front of his man. Does he have the size to handle the bigger PGs.

If a player checks 3 out of 4, he is a starter.
1 and 2 make him a 3rd string PG, which means a reserve (reserve means 3rd string), like Tremont Williams. If Williams could actually drill some 3's at a high percentage, suddenly he can play, but defensively, guys that small are an issue in the playoffs, as the better teams typically have players who can exploit the undersized PGs who do not possess LIGHTNING quick hands and feet.

Backup PGs (2nd string) typically have a limitation like not a good enough shooter to start, or not a good defender due to being severely undersized.

There ain't no room for development in any of the above. That is the minimum, before you put the player into conditioning training, shooting drills and repetition, film analysis, etc. Maybe you give a little leeway on shooting with the weaker hand, which can be improved and developed, if enough of the other "skill" boxes are checked before the player walks into the gym with the Celtics thinking this guy can play PG for them.

RJ has starting PG potential IMHO. He has a tight handle, blow-by speed and great size for the position. There are some question marks of course.

1) Obviously the shot. The top half of his shot has a nice smooth release. His problem has always been his base. Feet to close together, off-balance, and ugly. He's been working with Mike Miller to re-work his lower body. I actually think this will translate better than reworking the entire release. I actually have a good deal of confidence in his shot coming around. Plus his blow-by ability will get him into the lane with ease.

2) However, then what? Can he learn pace in the PnR? Can he improve his reads to break down defenses? He's working with Penny Hardaway but it remains to be seen if he has the natural feel to be a plus playmaker that can run an offense.

I would be ok at 14 with RJ..but patience will be required..

[themoneyteam2]

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Kira Lewis looks like a good player. It will be interesting to see how high he goes. Doubt he'd last past the Lakers.

Wait what? He won’t even sniff the Lakers pick lol he’s a lock for top 20 and most likely will go top 15

[captain green]

My Issac info got leaked today on the Celtics wire but doubt any of of Hali Kong Issac as trade up gets done. Also I'm starting to have respect for source guys my dude is definitely not a source it's atext with names of people who he has worked on. Which brings me to this although I believe my guy it is totally possible that Hali Kong Issac Hinton yurtseven or rj or Cole( although this name wasn't mentioned) never are there at the spot we are so I'm considering keeping mum about all this next year sources don't care if there wrong I do lol. Plus you could eventually read it from a source instead of like a day ahead from a guy who one finger types and without much more knowledge except for the names. I'm going to ride with it tis year but I'm considering skipping it and just oing after my guys which are precious, s.bey and every one except tiny guys. Plus I don't even want to be a partly source guy I just want to win all the fantasy games lol

[Patsfan1081]

Only Vassell and Bane interest me as shooters. Neither Bey nor Neismith really stodgy out as freshman, Bey especially only shot 64% from the line as a freshman. Vassell’s release to me looks the best, the kids mid range game looks solid.

[Dogen]

Cole Anthony is second only to Precious on guys I absolutely do not want at 14. Really hoping they either move up or deal this pick outright

Cole @ 14 confirmed!

[ConstableGeneva]

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[leper-con]

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Well , You need to learn how to dribble, facilitate offence and shoot the three.

[themoneyteam2]

Only Vassell and Bane interest me as shooters. Neither Bey nor Neismith really stodgy out as freshman, Bey especially only shot 64% from the line as a freshman. Vassell’s release to me looks the best, the kids mid range game looks solid.

Bey also just shot 45% 3PT lol weird to call out his freshman year FT numbers

[Bleeding Green]

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Well , You need to learn how to dribble, facilitate offence and shoot the three.

Other than that, though, he's great.

[Spin Move]

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Well , You need to learn how to dribble, facilitate offence and shoot the three.

Other than that, though, he's great.

He is a good ball handler and has a good ft stroke, he needs to extend it, what he does not yet have is the passing, but Bam didn't have the passing in college either.

[Spin Move]

Interesting comp Article, worth a quick read
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-draft-2020-player-comparisons-for-lamelo-ball-james-wiseman-anthony-edwards-and-other-top-prospects/

[31to6]

Danny’s going to nuke our draft picks and all of our precious research is going down the drain. Gentlemen and Shak, it’s been an honor serving with you.

[Bleeding Green]

Well , You need to learn how to dribble, facilitate offence and shoot the three.

Other than that, though, he's great.

He is a good ball handler and has a good ft stroke, he needs to extend it, what he does not yet have is the passing, but Bam didn't have the passing in college either.

Exactly. Can't draft someone with flaws because someone with the same flaws corrected them.

[ConstableGeneva]

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Semi probably doubles him up. Just isn't into filming his shooting sessions.

[Cuban Pete]

Danny’s going to nuke our draft picks and all of our precious research is going down the drain. Gentlemen and Shak, it’s been an honor serving with you.

The sad thing is that Holiday and/or Turner aren't worth it. Moreover, 2020 is the kind of draft which you want to have multiple picks. The Cs are similar to the Yankees in that any success with young, homegrown players is a happy coincidence.

[Spin Move]

Very possible we are shipping a late 1st to detriot to sign and trade Christian Wood. We can't offer him the 10-12 million he will likley demand in free agency and the betting market seems to think he wants to come here.

https://hardwoodhoudini.com/2020/11/13/boston-celtics-land-christian-wood/


Where Will Christian Wood Sign?
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112081 Charlotte Hornets +350
112082 New Orleans Pelicans +400
112083 New York Knicks +500
112087 Golden State Warriors +550
112084 Atlanta Hawks +600
112085 Miami Heat +600
112086 Phoenix Suns +700

[Shak_Celts]

Danny’s going to nuke our draft picks and all of our precious research is going down the drain. Gentlemen and Shak, it’s been an honor serving with you.

After all my eye bleeding he better select at least 10 players!! I don’t care if he has to dip into the WNBA draft! All my work will not go to waste!