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2019-2020 College/Draft thread 13: One week to go

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Pick one

Obi Toppin
12
12%
Tyrese Maxey
4
4%
Isaac Okoro
9
9%
Killian Hayes
33
33%
Aaron Nesmith
4
4%
RJ Hampton
2
2%
Kira Lewis
25
25%
Patrick Williams
2
2%
Devin Vassell
3
3%
Other
5
5%
 
Total votes: 99

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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread 13: One week to go 

Post#1861 » by Zenzibar » Sat Nov 14, 2020 3:40 pm

Juco24 wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
El Poochio wrote:Whats Okoro's potential is based on? Someone sell it to me or show some sexy footage


Well, doubtful this one clip sells you. Assume that you know he's a very good defender. And we know his shot isn't great, work in progress etc.

But the defense plus this kind of passing/court awareness I think is what has teams willing to take a shot higher in the draft:




I wouldn't hate the Okoro pick, especially MAYBE in the context of Knicks sign FVV for PG, but honestly, he's about my 5th pick, though at one point I had sold myself on him.

Not that anyone cares, but

LaMelo
Edwards
(guys I'd hope they trade up for but they won't)

Hayes
Terry

Lewis
Haliburton
Okoro


Is it bad that my takeaway was hearing the announcer say "Auburn has had THREE DIFFERENT 3 MINUTE SCORING DROUGHTS". ... SMDH- he'll fit in great


Exactly.....and perhaps why the Knicks have not brought Okoro in for a 2nd audition.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread 13: One week to go 

Post#1862 » by El Poochio » Sat Nov 14, 2020 3:42 pm

Zenzibar wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
El Poochio wrote:Whats Okoro's potential is based on? Someone sell it to me or show some sexy footage


Well, doubtful this one clip sells you. Assume that you know he's a very good defender. And we know his shot isn't great, work in progress etc.

But the defense plus this kind of passing/court awareness I think is what has teams willing to take a shot higher in the draft:




I wouldn't hate the Okoro pick, especially MAYBE in the context of Knicks sign FVV for PG, but honestly, he's about my 5th pick, though at one point I had sold myself on him.

Not that anyone cares, but

LaMelo
Edwards
(guys I'd hope they trade up for but they won't)

Hayes
Terry

Lewis
Haliburton
Okoro


Another good footage comparing Vassell and Okoro, it's thisclose.



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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread 13: One week to go 

Post#1863 » by F N 11 » Sat Nov 14, 2020 3:43 pm

Thibs has a history of drafting defensive guys. I would not be shocked at Okoro or Vassell.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread 13: One week to go 

Post#1864 » by thebuzzardman » Sat Nov 14, 2020 3:43 pm

El Poochio wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
El Poochio wrote:Whats Okoro's potential is based on? Someone sell it to me or show some sexy footage


Well, doubtful this one clip sells you. Assume that you know he's a very good defender. And we know his shot isn't great, work in progress etc.

But the defense plus this kind of passing/court awareness I think is what has teams willing to take a shot higher in the draft:




I wouldn't hate the Okoro pick, especially MAYBE in the context of Knicks sign FVV for PG, but honestly, he's about my 5th pick, though at one point I had sold myself on him.

Not that anyone cares, but

LaMelo
Edwards
(guys I'd hope they trade up for but they won't)

Hayes
Terry

Lewis
Haliburton
Okoro


His wingspan is pretty meh so dont think he can be huge difference maker in D although would be solid, looks like his offense needs to be polished a lot more before that passing makes any difference

Seems weird to have him higher than Terry who can emulate Linsanity/Herro when Okoro doesnt strike as someone to change the fortune of franchise by himself


I'd rather have Terry
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread 13: One week to go 

Post#1865 » by thebuzzardman » Sat Nov 14, 2020 3:44 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:Haven't hiked yet. Apparently my retired Marine neighbor is being a lame ass who doesn't like getting up early after splitting a fifth of whiskey with 4 beers each. That's not THAT much.


He has risen!

Theoretically 12 miles today. Might wind up at 8. :D
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread 13: One week to go 

Post#1866 » by Capn'O » Sat Nov 14, 2020 3:45 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:Haven't hiked yet. Apparently my retired Marine neighbor is being a lame ass who doesn't like getting up early after splitting a fifth of whiskey with 4 beers each. That's not THAT much.


He has risen!

Theoretically 12 miles today. Might wind up at 8. :D


That was a commitment to drinking goddamn.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread 13: One week to go 

Post#1867 » by Zenzibar » Sat Nov 14, 2020 3:47 pm

El Poochio wrote:
Zenzibar wrote:
Reign23 wrote:why can't we just draft him?




This kid's potential is really high and shot is the best in the draft. Highest BBall IQ EVER recorded. The garden will love him.

Seth Curry has averaged 1.7 asssit in his career, TT will be MUCH better.


How do you record that


How so? You mean my projection that he'll surpass the Seth comparisons?
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread 13: One week to go 

Post#1868 » by El Poochio » Sat Nov 14, 2020 3:49 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
El Poochio wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
Well, doubtful this one clip sells you. Assume that you know he's a very good defender. And we know his shot isn't great, work in progress etc.

But the defense plus this kind of passing/court awareness I think is what has teams willing to take a shot higher in the draft:




I wouldn't hate the Okoro pick, especially MAYBE in the context of Knicks sign FVV for PG, but honestly, he's about my 5th pick, though at one point I had sold myself on him.

Not that anyone cares, but

LaMelo
Edwards
(guys I'd hope they trade up for but they won't)

Hayes
Terry

Lewis
Haliburton
Okoro


His wingspan is pretty meh so dont think he can be huge difference maker in D although would be solid, looks like his offense needs to be polished a lot more before that passing makes any difference

Seems weird to have him higher than Terry who can emulate Linsanity/Herro when Okoro doesnt strike as someone to change the fortune of franchise by himself


I'd rather have Terry


Think so yeah get him in a strength program and feast
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread 13: One week to go 

Post#1869 » by robillionaire » Sat Nov 14, 2020 3:49 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
El Poochio wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
Well, doubtful this one clip sells you. Assume that you know he's a very good defender. And we know his shot isn't great, work in progress etc.

But the defense plus this kind of passing/court awareness I think is what has teams willing to take a shot higher in the draft:




I wouldn't hate the Okoro pick, especially MAYBE in the context of Knicks sign FVV for PG, but honestly, he's about my 5th pick, though at one point I had sold myself on him.

Not that anyone cares, but

LaMelo
Edwards
(guys I'd hope they trade up for but they won't)

Hayes
Terry

Lewis
Haliburton
Okoro


His wingspan is pretty meh so dont think he can be huge difference maker in D although would be solid, looks like his offense needs to be polished a lot more before that passing makes any difference

Seems weird to have him higher than Terry who can emulate Linsanity/Herro when Okoro doesnt strike as someone to change the fortune of franchise by himself


I'd rather have Terry


givony has terry 28th in his latest mock draft, so just draft him at 27 and you have both

the knicks aren't going to start off the rose era by taking someone projected in the 20s at 8

yall can chill with that right now

okoro, toppin, haliburton, hayes, williams

pick one, nobody else is happening at 8 I promise

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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread 13: One week to go 

Post#1870 » by YungKnicks » Sat Nov 14, 2020 3:51 pm

El Poochio wrote:
Zenzibar wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
Well, doubtful this one clip sells you. Assume that you know he's a very good defender. And we know his shot isn't great, work in progress etc.

But the defense plus this kind of passing/court awareness I think is what has teams willing to take a shot higher in the draft:




I wouldn't hate the Okoro pick, especially MAYBE in the context of Knicks sign FVV for PG, but honestly, he's about my 5th pick, though at one point I had sold myself on him.

Not that anyone cares, but

LaMelo
Edwards
(guys I'd hope they trade up for but they won't)

Hayes
Terry

Lewis
Haliburton
Okoro


Another good footage comparing Vassell and Okoro, it's thisclose.



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Im not a fan of both at #8... I don't think Vassell is even better than Mikal Bridges and I think Okoro can easily be no more than an Athletic Shumpert... though I like his passing

I really don't like players with no handle and/or jump shot.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread 13: One week to go 

Post#1871 » by El Poochio » Sat Nov 14, 2020 3:52 pm

Zenzibar wrote:
El Poochio wrote:
Zenzibar wrote:

This kid's potential is really high and shot is the best in the draft. Highest BBall IQ EVER recorded. The garden will love him.

Seth Curry has averaged 1.7 asssit in his career, TT will be MUCH better.


How do you record that


How so? You mean my projection that he'll surpass the Seth comparisons?


BBQ

Why set the bar low? He will surpass Steph (as long as we draft him)
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread 13: One week to go 

Post#1872 » by El Poochio » Sat Nov 14, 2020 3:53 pm

robillionaire wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
El Poochio wrote:
His wingspan is pretty meh so dont think he can be huge difference maker in D although would be solid, looks like his offense needs to be polished a lot more before that passing makes any difference

Seems weird to have him higher than Terry who can emulate Linsanity/Herro when Okoro doesnt strike as someone to change the fortune of franchise by himself


I'd rather have Terry


givony has terry 28th in his latest mock draft, so just draft him at 27 and you have both

the knicks aren't going to start off the rose era by taking someone projected in the 20s at 8

yall can chill with that right now

okoro, toppin, haliburton, hayes, williams

pick one, nobody else is happening at 8 I promise

source, dude trust me


We will need someone to create shots for Terry so Kira it is then
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread 13: One week to go 

Post#1873 » by F N 11 » Sat Nov 14, 2020 3:56 pm

Read on Twitter


He called kD and Kyrie to Nets so I’m listening to him a little. Also Boston disrespectful for that offer.

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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread 13: One week to go 

Post#1874 » by Strick » Sat Nov 14, 2020 3:58 pm

Zenzibar wrote:
El Poochio wrote:
Zenzibar wrote:

This kid's potential is really high and shot is the best in the draft. Highest BBall IQ EVER recorded. The garden will love him.

Seth Curry has averaged 1.7 asssit in his career, TT will be MUCH better.


How do you record that


How so? You mean my projection that he'll surpass the Seth comparisons?

I think he was talking about the BBall IQ recorded. Idk I’m sure there’s some form of grading system for basketball related questions, situations, and analysis. Terry is going to be a stud. The improved strength and athleticism too :o :nod:
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread 13: One week to go 

Post#1875 » by El Poochio » Sat Nov 14, 2020 3:58 pm

YungKnicks wrote:
El Poochio wrote:
Zenzibar wrote:
Another good footage comparing Vassell and Okoro, it's thisclose.



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Im not a fan of both at #8... I don't think Vassell is even better than Mikal Bridges and I think Okoro can easily be no more than an Athletic Shumpert... though I like his passing

I really don't like players with no handle and/or jump shot.


I could buy on them working on those skills if they were physical freaks but they look rather ordinary, Okoro looks well developed beyond his age physically just look at his legs but not sure thats even a good thing for us we should draft for 5 years later not now
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread 13: One week to go 

Post#1876 » by YungKnicks » Sat Nov 14, 2020 3:59 pm

El Poochio wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
El Poochio wrote:Whats Okoro's potential is based on? Someone sell it to me or show some sexy footage


Well, doubtful this one clip sells you. Assume that you know he's a very good defender. And we know his shot isn't great, work in progress etc.

But the defense plus this kind of passing/court awareness I think is what has teams willing to take a shot higher in the draft:




I wouldn't hate the Okoro pick, especially MAYBE in the context of Knicks sign FVV for PG, but honestly, he's about my 5th pick, though at one point I had sold myself on him.

Not that anyone cares, but

LaMelo
Edwards
(guys I'd hope they trade up for but they won't)

Hayes
Terry

Lewis
Haliburton
Okoro


His wingspan is pretty meh so dont think he can be huge difference maker in D although would be solid, looks like his offense needs to be polished a lot more before that passing makes any difference

Seems weird to have him higher than Terry who can emulate Linsanity/Herro when Okoro doesnt strike as someone to change the fortune of franchise by himself

Exactly I agree
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread 13: One week to go 

Post#1877 » by robillionaire » Sat Nov 14, 2020 3:59 pm

F N 11 wrote:
Read on Twitter


He called kD and Kyrie to Nets so I’m listening to him a little. Also Boston disrespectful for that offer.


14 and one of 26/30 would be fair otherwise they can kick rocks
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread 13: One week to go 

Post#1878 » by El Poochio » Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:00 pm

Strick wrote:
Zenzibar wrote:
El Poochio wrote:
How do you record that


How so? You mean my projection that he'll surpass the Seth comparisons?

I think he was talking about the BBall IQ recorded. Idk I’m sure there’s some form of grading system for basketball related questions, situations, and analysis. Terry is going to be a stud. The improved strength and athleticism too :o :nod:


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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread 13: One week to go 

Post#1879 » by Zenzibar » Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:01 pm

El Poochio wrote:
Zenzibar wrote:
El Poochio wrote:
How do you record that


How so? You mean my projection that he'll surpass the Seth comparisons?


BBQ

Why set the bar low? He will surpass Steph (as long as we draft him)


Got you.

Even as a big fan, it' hard to imagine the Knicks drafting him. If you have to take out said player at the end of games because of defense, it' not the future pillar at point guard.
Too bad Terry doesn't have Kira's size, cause he's soooo much more advance on the court.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread 13: One week to go 

Post#1880 » by Celo » Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:01 pm

Reign23 wrote:why can't we just draft him?




I like Terry, but he's not a PG, you'll be disappointed in him if he's forced to run an offense. He's talented, but he was a product of the scheme that Stanford run that hid his weaknesses (ball handling, breaking down a defense, doing advanced reads) and strenghend his strengths. If we hadn't had hired Thibs, but a coach that would be more known for running a motion-based offense, I'd be all in on Terry because I do think he can be special. I just don't think that Thibs would get the best out of Terry, limiting his upside big-time. I mean it could be all smokescreens, bit the interest in Kira and RW indicates to me that Thibs might prefer running a PnR - heavy offense where Terry might not look as good as he did at Stanford.

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