Random Rumors and Trade Board General Thoughts Thread

[DoItALL9]

Houston Rockets receive:
Golden State's #2 overall pick

Warriors receive:
PJ Tucker
Danuel House
Rights to pick swap for Houston's 2022 1st rd pick, top 4 protected
Rights to pick swap for Houston's 2023 1st rd pick, top 4 protected
GSW 2024 2nd rd pick back from Houston
Rights to pick swap for Houston's 2027 1st rd pick, top 4 protected

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It does not make any sense. Why do the Rockets would want a rookie in a win-now mode team to take advantage of Harden last years.

I guess I started from a different premise. I don't think the Rockets have any chance at winning.
I believe their owner wants to save money and put something on the floor that gives his fans hope.
(I expect Harden to be moved soon too)

I'm not sure what realistically, available players via trade or free agency can be placed with Harden that would vault Houston into true contention right now.
Forgetting salaries, adding Oladipo, DeRozan, Aldridge, and Wiggins to Houston wouldn't make me pick them to win it all next season

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[DoItALL9]

I figure they could use their TPE to go after Covington singularly

Houston Rockets receive:
Golden State's #2 overall pick

Warriors receive:
PJ Tucker
Danuel House
Rights to pick swap for Houston's 2022 1st rd pick, top 4 protected
Rights to pick swap for Houston's 2023 1st rd pick, top 4 protected
GSW 2024 2nd rd pick back from Houston
Rights to pick swap for Houston's 2027 1st rd pick, top 4 protected

If GSW is moving #2 to HOU, they need to see RoCo and Tucker coming back.

#2 for RoCo, Tucker and a pick swap right doesnt seem outlandish. May not look win-now for Houston, but add a big like Wiseman to that team and everything changes. He can bring alot early as a rim runner, rim protector and garbage man type on offense.

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[Richard4444]

Houston Rockets receive:
Golden State's #2 overall pick

Warriors receive:
PJ Tucker
Danuel House
Rights to pick swap for Houston's 2022 1st rd pick, top 4 protected
Rights to pick swap for Houston's 2023 1st rd pick, top 4 protected
GSW 2024 2nd rd pick back from Houston
Rights to pick swap for Houston's 2027 1st rd pick, top 4 protected

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It does not make any sense. Why do the Rockets would want a rookie in a win-now mode team to take advantage of Harden last years.

I guess I started from a different premise. I don't think the Rockets have any chance at winning.
I believe their owner wants to save money and put something on the floor that gives his fans hope.
(I expect Harden to be moved soon too)

I'm not sure what realistically, available players via trade or free agency can be placed with Harden that would vault Houston into true contention right now.
Forgetting salaries, adding Oladipo, DeRozan, Aldridge, and Wiggins to Houston wouldn't make me pick them to win it all next season

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Houston gave up 4 future own draft picks. I dont believe they are thinking about tanking. They might get rid of Russ and Gordon and try to land some vet all-star next season. DeRozan or Oladipo could be options.

[Scoot McGroot]

I figure they could use their TPE to go after Covington singularly

Houston Rockets receive:
Golden State's #2 overall pick

Warriors receive:
PJ Tucker
Danuel House
Rights to pick swap for Houston's 2022 1st rd pick, top 4 protected
Rights to pick swap for Houston's 2023 1st rd pick, top 4 protected
GSW 2024 2nd rd pick back from Houston
Rights to pick swap for Houston's 2027 1st rd pick, top 4 protected

If GSW is moving #2 to HOU, they need to see RoCo and Tucker coming back.

#2 for RoCo, Tucker and a pick swap right doesnt seem outlandish. May not look win-now for Houston, but add a big like Wiseman to that team and everything changes. He can bring alot early as a rim runner, rim protector and garbage man type on offense.

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If they’re trading 2, they should be getting more than just House/Tucker and some protected swaps. It should be more based around Covington. 2/Looney for Covington/Tucker/House and a swap or two is probably closer to value there, if they want to go for wing and defensive depth.

[DoItALL9]

Houston Rockets receive:
Golden State's #2 overall pick

Warriors receive:
PJ Tucker
Danuel House
Rights to pick swap for Houston's 2022 1st rd pick, top 4 protected
Rights to pick swap for Houston's 2023 1st rd pick, top 4 protected
GSW 2024 2nd rd pick back from Houston
Rights to pick swap for Houston's 2027 1st rd pick, top 4 protected

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So you have Golden State giving up the 2nd overall pick for a guy who got kicked out of the bubble, a disgruntled undersized PF, and the rights to swap picks so long as non of them are as good as the pick the GSW have right now.

uh... What?

The Warriors need more depth on the wing and at the 4/5. House and Tucker immediately give them depth. They can both space the floor offensively and play solid if not better defense.

The 2nd overall pick assuming the Warriors are likely taking Wiseman is an unknown in the NBA. If things go well and he's plays in the Mitchell Robinson, DeAndre Ayton, or Bam Adebayo ballpark he's at least a year and a half away from being a substantial contributor. How much can you expect him to contribute in the Western Conference playoffs as a rookie? Wiseman isn't a Duncan like prospect at this point where a significant contribution can sort of be assumed. Bam is in his 3rd season, an all-star/All-Defense caliber, and he still wasn't ready for AD.
GSW could also have to contend with Jokic, Nurkic, and Gobert otw to the Finals.

You're right those pick swaps could end up being absolutely nothing and they only walk away with a 2nd rd pick.
It could make sense to add in years that no swap occurs GSW receives Houston's 2nd rd pick but they've already traded away a bunch of those and I didn't look that deeply.

However looking that far into the future it's likely one or more years Houston does have a better regular season record better than GSW down the line. This does "somewhat" protect GSW's investment into their next era and help them stay "light years" ahead.

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[DoItALL9]

I figure they could use their TPE to go after Covington singularly

If GSW is moving #2 to HOU, they need to see RoCo and Tucker coming back.

#2 for RoCo, Tucker and a pick swap right doesnt seem outlandish. May not look win-now for Houston, but add a big like Wiseman to that team and everything changes. He can bring alot early as a rim runner, rim protector and garbage man type on offense.

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If they’re trading 2, they should be getting more than just House/Tucker and some protected swaps. It should be more based around Covington. 2/Looney for Covington/Tucker/House and a swap or two is probably closer to value there, if they want to go for wing and defensive depth.

I like your proposal better. I considered at it as I was putting mine together but something tells me they're attached to Looney. I don't know why and I could be completely wrong there.
If they are willing to part with him they should go with what you said.

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[HartfordWhalers]

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I guess they are working their way back?
Next up when those TPE expire, then next season options have until, and finally when can trades start?

[ThatBoyNick]

Am I crazy for thinking Wiggins + 2 for Love + 5 makes sense if Deni is avaliable at 5?

CLE gets the younger guy and can take Edwards / Ball / Wiseman. GSW gets a better systemic fit and can run Curry / Thompson / Deni / Green / Love.

Add Warriors 2021 1st and that’s a solid deal for both teams IMO.

[Blazinaway]

any news yet on "exactly" when trading can begin before the Nov 18 draft?

[Scoot McGroot]

any news yet on "exactly" when trading can begin before the Nov 18 draft?

Nope.

[Homer38]

When the free agency is going to start?

[Buzzard]

Am I crazy for thinking Wiggins + 2 for Love + 5 makes sense if Deni is avaliable at 5?

CLE gets the younger guy and can take Edwards / Ball / Wiseman. GSW gets a better systemic fit and can run Curry / Thompson / Deni / Green / Love.

Love has been a solid performer his whole career. His career VORP, BPM and TS% blows Wiggins away. Last season he bettered him as well. Age is the only thing going against Love when you compare the two. I think he has three decent years in the tank and will easily outperform Wiggins all three of whats left on their contracts.

I think GSW would like to do this trade and take Deni or even Vassell at 5. I am not sure Cleveland is sold on the top three being heads and tails better than Deni, Toppin, or even Okongwu. The latest rumor has them favoring Deni or Toppin at 5. Take that with a grain of salt.

[jbk1234]

Am I crazy for thinking Wiggins + 2 for Love + 5 makes sense if Deni is avaliable at 5?

CLE gets the younger guy and can take Edwards / Ball / Wiseman. GSW gets a better systemic fit and can run Curry / Thompson / Deni / Green / Love.

Love has been a solid performer his whole career. His career VORP, BPM and TS% blows Wiggins away. Last season he bettered him as well. Age is the only thing going against Love when you compare the two. I think he has three decent years in the tank and will easily outperform Wiggins all three of whats left on their contracts.

I think GSW would like to do this trade and take Deni or Vassell at 5. I am not sure Cleveland is sold on the top three being heads and tails better than Deni, Toppin, or even Okongwu. The latest rumor has them favoring Deni or Toppin at 5. Take that with a grain of salt.

I've heard exactly zero rumors about the Cavs wanting to trade up in this draft. I have read stuff about them being willing to trade back or even out altogether for the right offer.

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[shrink]

MIN Update, Wolfson and Dane Moore

Draft: MIN is definitely active (from a lottery front office), and MIN is shopping the pick (from an agent). Wolfson says there isn’t an offer out there yet that they are considering. O’Connor released the idea MIN is offering Culver and #17 to ATL for #6 (but it would only be contingent for ATL on getting a bigger name player (Jrue?)). Doogie says they talked to CLE at #5 and other teams in that range. They like Culver and his work ethic, but aren’t married to him, or any player outside of KAT and DLo. They worked out Toppin, Halliburton, Kira Lewis Jr, Okoro. They like Halliburton a lot (analytics, attitude, fit) - and Wolfson suggested if they got him at #6, maybe they trade LaMelo. Wolfson speculated OKC offers intrigue and so do Spurs. GSW, CHA and DET all watched LaMelo in a workout a couple days ago. Doogie texted someone from DET in Ball’s workout, and the word is, LaMelo impressed them.

Free agency. Odds of keeping Beasley is dropping, but remains over 50%. Hermangomez likely back. Campazo wants to come over, and is connected to Pablo Prigioni. Rosas has connection with Christian Wood, but unlikely he’d choose MIN for equal money. May chase Aaron Gordon, but they kick around everything, so no specific info. Endless names.

[ThunderBolt]

The rumors have really died the last 48 hours.

[Blazinaway]

The rumors have really died the last 48 hours.

can't believe NBA has not set the trading date yet, they said 2-3 days before the Nov 18 draft (Wednesday) - that would imply tomorrow or Monday

[ThunderBolt]

The rumors have really died the last 48 hours.

can't believe NBA has not set the trading date yet, they said 2-3 days before the Nov 18 draft (Wednesday) - that would imply tomorrow or Monday

Ya I don’t get it. It seems like the teams are ready and somewhat frustrated that the league is dragging their feet. What’s the point in not just allowing them to begin?

[Resistance]

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I guess they are working their way back?
Next up when those TPE expire, then next season options have until, and finally when can trades start?

I would have Keep it Simple on when they should have existing TPE expire.

Those created in offseason 2019 expire at a similar offset to when they were created/generated in the 2019-20 salary cap year which started in July 2019 and expire at the latest when the new season starts.

Those created during the 2019-20 season expire at the latest by the trade deadline for the 2020-21 season (whenever that is).

I might take creating a list of existing TPE as a project in the next few days. Just a matter of grabbing the information from web pages at Basketball Insiders. Maybe there is already a list of the exisitng TPE that I don't know about.

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[Buzzard]

Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday could be wilder than the past few days before the draft. I don't think I have ever seen so many rumors about teams wanting to move up. And then the first two picks, who want to trade down.

Last season it was mostly the Hawks, Boston, and Timberwolves if I recall correctly. The season before it was the Hawks, Boston, and Suns. The Clippers to, who did move up one spot for SGA.