Lakers acquire Schroder [Woj]

[jayu70]

About the same at 2 million a point. But Dedmon is the 2nd center for the Hawks now. With the Hawks he averaged about 1.5 million a point.

You obviously love Green as your back up shooting guard and think he has some value. You should keep him at 14.6 million and the Hawks should keep their backup center at 13.3 million.

Which is why the original trade was exponentially more realistic. You're essentially giving up a couple of SRPs to move from Dedmon to Green. If you prefer Green, that's a fair deal.

It's only 2 2nds if you think OKC is going to be bad in 2 years, is that what you're saying?
Let both teams keep their overpriced players anx the Hawks keep the OKC pick in their pocket.

[jayu70]

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/dedmode01.html

Didn't realized Dedmon was paid so much.

And with an extra year. By any measure my deal my very fair. Direction can be a question, but Green >>> Dedmon

$1 million guaranteed in last year.

[MoneyTalks41890]

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[Buzzard]

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/dedmode01.html

Didn't realized Dedmon was paid so much.

And with an extra year. By any measure my deal my very fair. Direction can be a question, but Green >>> Dedmon

Dedmons extra year is 1 million guaranteed. Release him, pay him 1 million, clear 12.3 million off the books.

@TexasChuck once again this has to be explained to the uninformed. Maybe around the 25th time or more

[MoneyTalks41890]

About the same at 2 million a point. But Dedmon is the 2nd center for the Hawks now. With the Hawks he averaged about 1.5 million a point.

You obviously love Green as your back up shooting guard and think he has some value. You should keep him at 14.6 million and the Hawks should keep their backup center at 13.3 million.

Which is why the original trade was exponentially more realistic. You're essentially giving up a couple of SRPs to move from Dedmon to Green. If you prefer Green, that's a fair deal.

It's only 2 2nds if you think OKC is going to be bad in 2 years, is that what you're saying?
Let both teams keep their overpriced players anx the Hawks keep the OKC pick in their pocket.

Yes OKC will be very bad next season. Hence the Schroder trade and the hiring of a developmental coach. For OKC it would be about getting some flexibility back. But the intent is to tank for at least the next couple seasons. Couldn’t be much more telegraphed.

Anyway, this is a pretty big digression from the thread and we can go back to the original topic.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Didn't realized Dedmon was paid so much.

And with an extra year. By any measure my deal my very fair. Direction can be a question, but Green >>> Dedmon

Dedmons extra year is 1 million guaranteed. Release him, pay him 1 million, clear 12.3 million off the books.

@TexasChuck once again this has to be explained to the uninformed. Maybe around the 25th time or more

Ah I missed that. But Green is still >>> Dedmon. I don’t think you’ll find anyone to ride with you on your crusade there.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

I'm not sold that 35 year Rondo is a better defender than Schroder .

Rondo is leagues ahead of Schroder defensively even at his elder age. Rondo is like supercomputer the way he processes the game and is a menace at drawing fouls and getting steals. Rondo is also on another level as a playmaker and shot 40% from 3 on over 3 attempts per game for the entireity of the playoffs.

I'd trust Schröder's impact to be a huge weight off of Lebron's shoulders in the regular season time, but come playoffs I'd rather have Rondo ngl.

I'm not betting on 35 Rondo having one of his best post seasons again . Especially when it involved shooting 40% from deep. Seems like lightening in the bottle after watching the last two seasons of Rondo.

Rondo played passing lanes fine but his on ball defense has been so so as his athleticism declines. He was easily the worst guard defender in the rotation . Lucky for Rondo, he got AD and Lebron playing center field behind him.

[jayu70]

Which is why the original trade was exponentially more realistic. You're essentially giving up a couple of SRPs to move from Dedmon to Green. If you prefer Green, that's a fair deal.

It's only 2 2nds if you think OKC is going to be bad in 2 years, is that what you're saying?
Let both teams keep their overpriced players anx the Hawks keep the OKC pick in their pocket.

Yes OKC will be very bad next season. Hence the Schroder trade and the hiring of a developmental coach. For OKC it would be about getting some flexibility back. But the intent is to tank for at least the next couple seasons. Couldn’t be much more telegraphed.

Anyway, this is a pretty big digression from the thread and we can go back to the original topic.

The pick is in 2022, not 2021.

[MoneyTalks41890]

It's only 2 2nds if you think OKC is going to be bad in 2 years, is that what you're saying?
Let both teams keep their overpriced players anx the Hawks keep the OKC pick in their pocket.

Yes OKC will be very bad next season. Hence the Schroder trade and the hiring of a developmental coach. For OKC it would be about getting some flexibility back. But the intent is to tank for at least the next couple seasons. Couldn’t be much more telegraphed.

Anyway, this is a pretty big digression from the thread and we can go back to the original topic.

The pick is in 2022, not 2021.

Correct, they will be bad this coming season, and the season after that.

[Buzzard]

And with an extra year. By any measure my deal my very fair. Direction can be a question, but Green >>> Dedmon

Dedmons extra year is 1 million guaranteed. Release him, pay him 1 million, clear 12.3 million off the books.

@TexasChuck once again this has to be explained to the uninformed. Maybe around the 25th time or more

Ah I missed that. But Green is still >>> Dedmon. I don’t think you’ll find anyone to ride with you on your crusade there.

Its not a crusade to say Green would be wasted on the Hawks. Its my opinion on his value to a team that has spent a #10 and #19 pick on two shooting guards. Now you want them to spend two 2nds and 14.6 million on a 3rd who averaged 8 whole points a game.

Easy pass man.

[stormi]

I'm not sold that 35 year Rondo is a better defender than Schroder .

Rondo is leagues ahead of Schroder defensively even at his elder age. Rondo is like supercomputer the way he processes the game and is a menace at drawing fouls and getting steals. Rondo is also on another level as a playmaker and shot 40% from 3 on over 3 attempts per game for the entireity of the playoffs.

I'd trust Schröder's impact to be a huge weight off of Lebron's shoulders in the regular season time, but come playoffs I'd rather have Rondo ngl.

I'm not betting on 35 Rondo having one of his best post seasons again . Especially when it involved shooting 40% from deep. Seems like lightening in the bottle after watching the last two seasons of Rondo.

Rondo played passing lanes fine but his on ball defense has been so so as his athleticism declines. He was easily the worst guard defender in the rotation . Lucky for Rondo, he got AD and Lebron playing center field behind him.

Rondo and Caruso were the two best guard defenders come playoff time. Green was the worst one and unplayable when his shot wasn't falling. The age thing is a proper concern, but Rondo has always been a monster playoff performer and players the rely on their intelligence and not their physical gifts usually age much more gracefully. It's not a sky-is-falling type loss and I love Dennis and he'll be a scoring threat on a Lakers team that only has two reliable guys on any given night. But let's not understate his impact on that championship run.

[loserX]

You must be joking. Green is leagues better than Dedmon and the first is lotto protected.

I am not joking. Green is being paid almost 2 million dollars a point. OKC can keep him and play win now with that all by themselves.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/dedmode01.html

The fact that the URL says "Dedmode" is awesome. That should be the cheer whenever Dedmon actually hits a 3.

[Buzzard]

I am not joking. Green is being paid almost 2 million dollars a point. OKC can keep him and play win now with that all by themselves.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/dedmode01.html

The fact that the URL says "Dedmode" is awesome. That should be the cheer whenever Dedmon actually hits a 3.

Point if OKC is really about to be in tank mode, those two 2nds could be in the 31 to 38 range. Packaged together that is a late first in value.

I am sure Presti would love to get his picks back. But Schlenk probably saw them as good 2nds to begin with if the 1st did not convey. Its simple logic. If OKC is in the lottery then the 2nds stand a chance to be pretty good.

[HartfordWhalers]

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Asking for 2 swaps makes you sound as awful as the guy asking for #3 for Vuc. Don't do that.

[pacers33granger]

I am sure Presti would love to get his picks back. But Schlenk probably saw them as good 2nds to begin with if the 1st did not convey. Its simple logic. If OKC is in the lottery then the 2nds stand a chance to be pretty good.

Oklahoma City's 2022 1st round pick to Atlanta protected for selections 1-14; if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Oklahoma City will instead convey its 2024 2nd round pick and 2025 2nd round pick to Atlanta

OKC being in the lotto in 2022 has little bearing on the value of the 2nds they will convey.

[Buzzard]

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Asking for 2 swaps makes you sound as awful as the guy asking for #3 for Vuc. Don't do that.

I was just trying to counter with over the top value which is how I see Green and Muscala for Dedmon and OKC Protected first.

OKC gets the better cap savings and their pick(s) back.
Hawks take on more cap and a player that will probably get less usage while also sending pick(s).

[HartfordWhalers]

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Asking for 2 swaps makes you sound as awful as the guy asking for #3 for Vuc. Don't do that.

I was just trying to counter with over the top value

Probably a good reminder to everyone that it never hurts to take a minute and familiarizing yourself with the board rules.

Here is the relevant part:

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1) Why you don't like a deal is far more valuable than that you don't like a deal
Don't just post gifs or pictures this does not meet the minimum posting standard on this board, don't just post LOL terrible, don't respond with an unreasonable counter offer to 'show' how bad the deal is. Instead explain where the valuation and/or fit falls short, Explain why the player is more valuable/better/important/beloved by management and when possible give a reasonable idea of what your team might be looking to do instead or a reasonable modification to the original proposal.

[HartfordWhalers]

I am sure Presti would love to get his picks back. But Schlenk probably saw them as good 2nds to begin with if the 1st did not convey. Its simple logic. If OKC is in the lottery then the 2nds stand a chance to be pretty good.

Oklahoma City's 2022 1st round pick to Atlanta protected for selections 1-14; if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Oklahoma City will instead convey its 2024 2nd round pick and 2025 2nd round pick to Atlanta

OKC being in the lotto in 2022 has little bearing on the value of the 2nds they will convey.

True, which I think makes the pick harder to trade. It is either a guy at 15 or a 2nd at 50?

Personally, I would take the OKC pick over #34 this year for instance as Philly, even if I lose that deal 60-75% of the time.

Spoiler:

(And I would personally have #34 and Dedmon = Green, so I would have including it as an overpay, although not a big one in expected value)

[R-DAWG]

I'm not sold that 35 year Rondo is a better defender than Schroder .

Rondo is leagues ahead of Schroder defensively even at his elder age. Rondo is like supercomputer the way he processes the game and is a menace at drawing fouls and getting steals. Rondo is also on another level as a playmaker and shot 40% from 3 on over 3 attempts per game for the entireity of the playoffs.

I'd trust Schröder's impact to be a huge weight off of Lebron's shoulders in the regular season time, but come playoffs I'd rather have Rondo ngl.

I'm not betting on 35 Rondo having one of his best post seasons again . Especially when it involved shooting 40% from deep. Seems like lightening in the bottle after watching the last two seasons of Rondo.

Rondo played passing lanes fine but his on ball defense has been so so as his athleticism declines. He was easily the worst guard defender in the rotation . Lucky for Rondo, he got AD and Lebron playing center field behind him.

One other thing - Schroder will reduce the playmaking/scoring load on Lebron in the regular season. This is going to be key, especially early in the season coming off a shortened offseason.

Rondo was great in the playoffs, and the Lakers don't win the championship without his contribution, but that was a 16 game run that was an outlier of the last 4-5 years of his career. If it's going to take a multi year commitment and taxpayer mid level money to keep him, it's not worth it.

[timani]

Mavs were interested in Danny Green last offseason and at the deadline, so they probably still are. He's a tough vet, can hit the open 3 and plays wing defense. Ding! Ding! Ding! All the things the Mavs want. Plus his deal ends after this year so '21 dreams still alive.

Not sure what OKC wants, and not even sure what salaries would be needed to match, but I'm sure Dallas will make a call.