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2020 NBA Draft Prospects: Thread III

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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospects: Thread III 

Post#101 » by KGdaBom » Sun Nov 15, 2020 10:08 pm

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chaimer wrote:Ball is a pick at 1, I believe he is the best talent and ownership will put some pressure to get him. He kinda has a zion effect, you want to tune in and watch.

Similar to not being able to turn away from watching a train wreck.

I know I’m in the vast minority but there is nothing about Ball that appeals to me...not his horrific shooting, not his terrible defense and certainly not his off court persona and family involvement.

People talk about why Wiseman is the wrong “fit” for what Rosas is looking to do yet blindly forget to include this when talking about Ball. We need shooting and defense and LaMelo is at the bottom of the talent pool in both areas.

Ball will not be a Timberwolf after the draft because I believe/hope Rosas is smart enough to also understand this.


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LaMelo pushed away his father in favour of a real mentor well before he went to Australia. That talking point is actual malarkey, fantasy land.

On defense, LaMelo showed major strides in his time with Australia, he isn’t the worthless sieve people keep claiming.

I am sorry, but I am fully convinced that people are failing to remove the name from the prospect here.

It's not his name it's his game. Horrible shooter and chucker anyway. Those don't go well together. Every time he takes a shot it's like taking half a point off the scoreboard compared to letting somebody efficient take the shot.
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Post#102 » by Dewey » Sun Nov 15, 2020 10:15 pm

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chaimer wrote:Ball is a pick at 1, I believe he is the best talent and ownership will put some pressure to get him. He kinda has a zion effect, you want to tune in and watch.


You tune in because it's like a crash; you know it's gonna be bad but you can't help but look

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Post#103 » by Neeva » Sun Nov 15, 2020 10:53 pm

I just don’t understand why wolves fans here are so against adding a tall guard that is a natural playmaker (and solid rebounder) when we have shot makers like Kat and Beasley? If his shot and defense come around he becomes a very special player..
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Post#104 » by KGdaBom » Sun Nov 15, 2020 10:56 pm

Neeva wrote:I just don’t understand why wolves fans here are so against adding a tall guard that is a natural playmaker (and solid rebounder) when we have shot makers like Kat and Beasley? If his shot and defense come around he becomes a very special player..

His shot will never come around and he will never stop shooting. Not a person I want on our team.
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Post#105 » by Neeva » Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:03 pm

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Neeva wrote:I just don’t understand why wolves fans here are so against adding a tall guard that is a natural playmaker (and solid rebounder) when we have shot makers like Kat and Beasley? If his shot and defense come around he becomes a very special player..

His shot will never come around and he will never stop shooting. Not a person I want on our team.


You can tell the future? Lets make a bet if he is a wolf and he proves you wrong you need to change your name to LaMelodaBom
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Post#106 » by jpatrick » Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:11 pm

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Neeva wrote:I just don’t understand why wolves fans here are so against adding a tall guard that is a natural playmaker (and solid rebounder) when we have shot makers like Kat and Beasley? If his shot and defense come around he becomes a very special player..

His shot will never come around and he will never stop shooting. Not a person I want on our team.


You can tell the future? Lets make a bet if he is a wolf and he proves you wrong you need to change your name to LaMelodaBom


And this goes against what most analysts say (I know, they are clearly lying) because Ball has such natural touch. With reps and better shot selection, they indicate he should be able to be at least league average from three.
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Post#107 » by D1SGRUNTL3D » Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:13 pm

He just turned 19 3 months ago. He has plenty of time to develop his jumper and mold his game.
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Post#108 » by Dewey » Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:14 pm

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Neeva wrote:I just don’t understand why wolves fans here are so against adding a tall guard that is a natural playmaker (and solid rebounder) when we have shot makers like Kat and Beasley? If his shot and defense come around he becomes a very special player..

His shot will never come around and he will never stop shooting. Not a person I want on our team.


You can tell the future? Lets make a bet if he is a wolf and he proves you wrong you need to change your name to LaMelodaBom

I gotta grab a bag of popcorn ... :lol:
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospects: Thread III 

Post#109 » by Domejandro » Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:33 pm

D1SGRUNTL3D wrote:He just turned 19 3 months ago. He has plenty of time to develop his jumper and mold his game.

To support this, Ricky - despite his injuries - is actually a solid catch-and-shoot player (he still couldn’t finish around the basket to save a life). Given Lamelo’s pretty floater game, there is potential for him to be a solid scorer while positively impacting the rest of the game at a high level.
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Post#110 » by KGdaBom » Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:44 pm

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Neeva wrote:I just don’t understand why wolves fans here are so against adding a tall guard that is a natural playmaker (and solid rebounder) when we have shot makers like Kat and Beasley? If his shot and defense come around he becomes a very special player..

His shot will never come around and he will never stop shooting. Not a person I want on our team.


You can tell the future? Lets make a bet if he is a wolf and he proves you wrong you need to change your name to LaMelodaBom

Why would I do that. I can often tell the future. I predict tomorrow the sun will rise in the east and I also predict that LaMelo will never even manage to be a bad shooter in the NBA. I believe he will always be on the level of horrible.
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Post#111 » by KGdaBom » Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:45 pm

D1SGRUNTL3D wrote:He just turned 19 3 months ago. He has plenty of time to develop his jumper and mold his game.

He's been developing that horrible shot since he was 2. It is now permanently engrained in his DNA.
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Post#112 » by Nick K » Mon Nov 16, 2020 1:11 am

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chaimer wrote:Ball is a pick at 1, I believe he is the best talent and ownership will put some pressure to get him. He kinda has a zion effect, you want to tune in and watch.

Similar to not being able to turn away from watching a train wreck.

I know I’m in the vast minority but there is nothing about Ball that appeals to me...not his horrific shooting, not his terrible defense and certainly not his off court persona and family involvement.

People talk about why Wiseman is the wrong “fit” for what Rosas is looking to do yet blindly forget to include this when talking about Ball. We need shooting and defense and LaMelo is at the bottom of the talent pool in both areas.

Ball will not be a Timberwolf after the draft because I believe/hope Rosas is smart enough to also understand this.


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I have to chime in. I totally agree. How a guy who can't shoot or defend, and has had poor coaching growing up, and plays a position that we have covered with a 30 mil dollar guy can be selected by us is beyond me. Yes he is a great passer and has great instincts. If we take him it is to trade him I believe.

I think we take Edwards one way or another. Of course it's likely we trade down. Maybe we trade more than our 1st pick. Maybe Okogie, Culver and others could be moved. I love Okongwu but it's not clear if we've even worked him out. I like Haliburton and Nesmith with Jalen Smith. I can see us taking Toppin too. At least Toppin makes some sense.

I can't wait till Wednesday to see how it all turns out.
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Post#113 » by Nick K » Mon Nov 16, 2020 1:15 am

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UnFadeable21 wrote:Doogie and Dane Moore podcast, Doogie said Lamelo’s Medicals say his growth plates are still open and he can still grow another 1-2 inches making him 6-8/6-9.

Draft Lamelo Ball

Who gives a sheet. He's tall. I get that, but he's not good. It takes tall and talented to beat small and talented.


That's right. The safest pick in the draft is Wiseman going to Golden State I think.

I can't get my mind off of Nesmith. Anybody that can shoot like that you find a way to take.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospects: Thread III 

Post#114 » by Neeva » Mon Nov 16, 2020 1:22 am

Nesmith iseems like a one dimensional lesser buddy Hield:/, not really someone that the wolves should trade up for. If he falls to 17 sure why not.
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Post#115 » by Nick K » Mon Nov 16, 2020 1:34 am

Neeva wrote:Nesmith iseems like a one dimensional lesser buddy Hield:/, not really someone that the wolves should trade up for. If he falls to 17 sure why not.


When you shoot like Steph I don't care about dimensions.
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Post#116 » by D1SGRUNTL3D » Mon Nov 16, 2020 1:37 am

KGdaBom wrote:
D1SGRUNTL3D wrote:He just turned 19 3 months ago. He has plenty of time to develop his jumper and mold his game.

He's been developing that horrible shot since he was 2. It is now permanently engrained in his DNA.

Counter point-Shawn Marion had a broken shot but had a great career
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Post#117 » by D1SGRUNTL3D » Mon Nov 16, 2020 1:39 am

Why did we have to miss out on Zion by a year?? Ugh
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Post#118 » by Neeva » Mon Nov 16, 2020 1:40 am

D1SGRUNTL3D wrote:Why did we have to miss out on Zion by a year?? Ugh


But knowing the wolves he would have an injury riddled career..
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Post#119 » by Nick K » Mon Nov 16, 2020 1:44 am

Neeva wrote:
D1SGRUNTL3D wrote:Why did we have to miss out on Zion by a year?? Ugh


But knowing the wolves he would have an injury riddled career..


You beat me to it. :D
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Post#120 » by King Malta » Mon Nov 16, 2020 1:59 am

jpatrick wrote:I don’t get the Ball hate. People have said he’s an ego maniac, etc. His dad is an ego maniac. His dad has hurt his development by dragging him around the world making him part of some reality show instead of playing competitive ball.

Apparently in Australia, despite all this, he kept his head down and worked. I mean, it really is a credit to Ball that he overcame this lack of development and competition, and almost averaged a triple double against competition significantly better than NCAA.

As an example, against Scotty Machado, Ball went for 32pts, 11rebs, 13 assts on 11-20 shooting (4-7 from 3). Who is Machado? Someone who probably could be in the NBA, as he is now in his prime. A couple years ago he was one of the best point guards in the G League, averaging 16pts, 9asts, shooting over 40% from 3. He also was on Houston’s G League team several years ago, I wonder if Rosas went to him to ask about Ball’s play?

Don’t look at overall stats. Ball hadn’t played against real competition in years and was thrown into a man’s league. He significantly improved after about 5-6 games. He’s really good.

As far as ego, the dude is clearly uncomfortable during interviews. I think seeking the spotlight is much more his dad. He does have Instagram followes because of that show, but so did Zion, and I never hear this complaint about him. LaMelo and Zo both when separated from their dad have seemed to be good hard working kids.

I will say, Melo needs to completely cut himself off from his Dad’s Big Baller Brand. It does him no favors and makes him look bad.


I'm no Ball fan, but everything I've read from local sources RE: his time down here was that he was well liked by his team-mates and coaches. I get that there's this perception that all the Ball kids are as arrogant and extravagant as their old man, but I don't get that feel from Lamelo, as much as I think we shouldn't take him in this draft.

Additionally, for whatever it's worth, according to multiple sources, he tried to buy out his NBL club (The Illawarra Hawks) after they went into administration following the season he was down here. That deal never came to fruition for reasons that have not been made clear.

As far as the NBL quality argument, as you say, the quality he faced down here was better than the overall quality of the NCAA. Sure, it's not NBA quality and we shouldn't expect him to convert those performances over into the NBA, but when you're evaluating talent's performances pre-draft then Lamelo has been playing against better/more professional opposition than most other players in the draft.

All this being said, Wiseman would be my #1. I don't think Lamelo will be a bust, but his weaknesses just don't mesh with the sort of prospect we need to bring in, assuming we keep the pick.

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