Nuggets Trades

[NuggetsWY]

Spoiler:

Any reporter linking Harden to the Nuggets just putting out click bait

Bobby Marks from ESPN is the source and he claims to be an NBA insider. I have no doubt that the Nuggets would do due diligence and inquire about Harden based on the reports. I would then expect the Rockets to shut the door.

Westbrook is a different matter and he is likely on his way out, so there will be some interest for the right price. The Clippers might be interested.

Question for fans, would there be any interest in Westbrook as a replacement for Garry Harris (without much more going back)?

I would expect the Nuggets to inquire about Harden, we have chased big names since Connelly got here, but I think Harden with his attitude is the worst thing we could do.

The issue with Westbrook is that it would cost at least Harris, Barton, and 1 of the minimum deals just to make the deal work, and I just do not see the fit. Westbrook is a great leader and his teammates all seem to love him, but his lack of shooting and marginal defense are both big issues for what we need. If he was a free agent and we could sign him for the MLE than I would easily take him, but not with that deal.

I would also expect the Nuggets to inquire after any big name - but I don't really expect them to pull the trigger on any big name. There are very few guards that I would be interested in and any guards or forwards of significant are going to probably cost too much.

For the right player, Harris - Barton - Morris seem like our best trade options (hopefully just one or two of them) and I just don't see that being enough to get most of the big names - even if we add some draft picks.

[TunaFish]

Spoiler:

Bobby Marks from ESPN is the source and he claims to be an NBA insider. I have no doubt that the Nuggets would do due diligence and inquire about Harden based on the reports. I would then expect the Rockets to shut the door.

Westbrook is a different matter and he is likely on his way out, so there will be some interest for the right price. The Clippers might be interested.

Question for fans, would there be any interest in Westbrook as a replacement for Garry Harris (without much more going back)?

I would expect the Nuggets to inquire about Harden, we have chased big names since Connelly got here, but I think Harden with his attitude is the worst thing we could do.

The issue with Westbrook is that it would cost at least Harris, Barton, and 1 of the minimum deals just to make the deal work, and I just do not see the fit. Westbrook is a great leader and his teammates all seem to love him, but his lack of shooting and marginal defense are both big issues for what we need. If he was a free agent and we could sign him for the MLE than I would easily take him, but not with that deal.

I would also expect the Nuggets to inquire after any big name - but I don't really expect them to pull the trigger on any big name. There are very few guards that I would be interested in and any guards or forwards of significant are going to probably cost too much.

For the right player, Harris - Barton - Morris seem like our best trade options (hopefully just one or two of them) and I just don't see that being enough to get most of the big names - even if we add some draft picks.

As you point out, there is always a lot of noise about free agent targets and big name trade targets. At the same time, there does seem to be a lot of noise /leaks surrounding the Nuggets' interest in Jrue Holiday, at least more than usual. If there is any truth to these rumors, then Garry Harris is likely on the trading block and Holiday looks like a prime target. Their contract salaries are close enough; although the cost to acquire Holiday is likely going to be high.

I am in the camp that thinks we need an upgrade at shooting guard not because I don't appreciate Harris's defense but when you score as poorly as he did in the Laker's series, I think an upgrade is warranted if you are trying to win a chip. Holiday looks to me like an upgrade. Except for his contract, Westbrook looks like an upgrade.

We have to have the power forward starting position locked up (likely through Grant) but if we are putting all our chips into into the playoff basket, starting shooting guard needs to be addressed.

[NuggetsWY]

Spoiler:

I would expect the Nuggets to inquire about Harden, we have chased big names since Connelly got here, but I think Harden with his attitude is the worst thing we could do.

The issue with Westbrook is that it would cost at least Harris, Barton, and 1 of the minimum deals just to make the deal work, and I just do not see the fit. Westbrook is a great leader and his teammates all seem to love him, but his lack of shooting and marginal defense are both big issues for what we need. If he was a free agent and we could sign him for the MLE than I would easily take him, but not with that deal.

I would also expect the Nuggets to inquire after any big name - but I don't really expect them to pull the trigger on any big name. There are very few guards that I would be interested in and any guards or forwards of significant are going to probably cost too much.

For the right player, Harris - Barton - Morris seem like our best trade options (hopefully just one or two of them) and I just don't see that being enough to get most of the big names - even if we add some draft picks.

As you point out, there is always a lot of noise about free agent targets and big name trade targets. At the same time, there does seem to be a lot of noise /leaks surrounding the Nuggets' interest in Jrue Holiday, at least more than usual. If there is any truth to these rumors, then Garry Harris is likely on the trading block and Holiday looks like a prime target. Their contract salaries are close enough; although the cost to acquire Holiday is likely going to be high.

I am in the camp that thinks we need an upgrade at shooting guard not because I don't appreciate Harris's defense but when you score as poorly as he did in the Laker's series, I think an upgrade is warranted if you are trying to win a chip. Holiday looks to me like an upgrade. Except for his contract, Westbrook looks like an upgrade.

We have to have the power forward starting position locked up (likely through Grant) but if we are putting all our chips into into the playoff basket, starting shooting guard needs to be addressed.

Yup, agreed. I'd like an upgrade at guard and mostly at shooting guard. But let's say the Nuggets swing a deal for Chris Paul. Murray alongside Paul makes Murray the SG and I'm okay with that. I don't see any other PG that I'd be interested it.

Jrue may or may not be the best fit at SG. Beal might be a better choice but Beal is likely to be too costly. I do like Holiday alongside Murray (not sure which would be the PG ). I know New Orleans is going to want a lot for Holiday but I'm not sure they are going to get a lot because he's a one-year rental.

If we can't get one of those three, I'm pretty much happy to try again with what we have, especially if we keep Barton to play more guard - assuming an upgrade at forward. Re-sign Grant and start Porter but we still need at least one more forward in my opinion (and a backup center).

[NuggetsWY]

What would it take to get Covington from Houston? Salary-wise, Barton is a match, but it's going to take more. Would we be able to get him with this year's 1st and a future 1st? I'd like him as the first forward off the bench.

[skywalker33]

What would it take to get Covington from Houston? Salary-wise, Barton is a match, but it's going to take more. Would we be able to get him with this year's 1st and a future 1st? I'd like him as the first forward off the bench.

So, who comes off the bench, Covington, Grant or MPJ ?

[The Rebel]

Spoiler:

Bobby Marks from ESPN is the source and he claims to be an NBA insider. I have no doubt that the Nuggets would do due diligence and inquire about Harden based on the reports. I would then expect the Rockets to shut the door.

Westbrook is a different matter and he is likely on his way out, so there will be some interest for the right price. The Clippers might be interested.

Question for fans, would there be any interest in Westbrook as a replacement for Garry Harris (without much more going back)?

I would expect the Nuggets to inquire about Harden, we have chased big names since Connelly got here, but I think Harden with his attitude is the worst thing we could do.

The issue with Westbrook is that it would cost at least Harris, Barton, and 1 of the minimum deals just to make the deal work, and I just do not see the fit. Westbrook is a great leader and his teammates all seem to love him, but his lack of shooting and marginal defense are both big issues for what we need. If he was a free agent and we could sign him for the MLE than I would easily take him, but not with that deal.

I would also expect the Nuggets to inquire after any big name - but I don't really expect them to pull the trigger on any big name. There are very few guards that I would be interested in and any guards or forwards of significant are going to probably cost too much.

Personally I am against trading for most of the big names, I think at some point your expected value out of your starting lineup is not helped by adding more big names. We have 2 ball dominate allstars in Jokic and Murray, a young guy who looks to be a developing all star that is great off the ball, and 1 defender in the lineup. If we re-sign Grant than that gives us 2 defenders, that can hit jump shots and play off the ball. Our issue is our bench and that was our big issue in the playoffs as well.

For the right player, Harris - Barton - Morris seem like our best trade options (hopefully just one or two of them) and I just don't see that being enough to get most of the big names - even if we add some draft picks.

That is not enough if you are trading directly with 1 team unless it is for Westbrook who I think does not even bring back that much. No team is going to trade a superstar for role players, unless you get a sucker like the Twolves were when they traded KG. Although I would say if you get creative Harris, Barton, and Morris can all bring back a trade package that starters bring back. This Afflalo to Portland a few years ago, you get a decent prospect and a pick with filler. Or 2 decent prospects.

[The Rebel]

Spoiler:

I would expect the Nuggets to inquire about Harden, we have chased big names since Connelly got here, but I think Harden with his attitude is the worst thing we could do.


The issue with Westbrook is that it would cost at least Harris, Barton, and 1 of the minimum deals just to make the deal work, and I just do not see the fit. Westbrook is a great leader and his teammates all seem to love him, but his lack of shooting and marginal defense are both big issues for what we need. If he was a free agent and we could sign him for the MLE than I would easily take him, but not with that deal.

I would also expect the Nuggets to inquire after any big name - but I don't really expect them to pull the trigger on any big name. There are very few guards that I would be interested in and any guards or forwards of significant are going to probably cost too much.

For the right player, Harris - Barton - Morris seem like our best trade options (hopefully just one or two of them) and I just don't see that being enough to get most of the big names - even if we add some draft picks.

As you point out, there is always a lot of noise about free agent targets and big name trade targets. At the same time, there does seem to be a lot of noise /leaks surrounding the Nuggets' interest in Jrue Holiday, at least more than usual. If there is any truth to these rumors, then Garry Harris is likely on the trading block and Holiday looks like a prime target. Their contract salaries are close enough; although the cost to acquire Holiday is likely going to be high.

I am in the camp that thinks we need an upgrade at shooting guard not because I don't appreciate Harris's defense but when you score as poorly as he did in the Laker's series, I think an upgrade is warranted if you are trying to win a chip. Holiday looks to me like an upgrade. Except for his contract, Westbrook looks like an upgrade.

We have to have the power forward starting position locked up (likely through Grant) but if we are putting all our chips into into the playoff basket, starting shooting guard needs to be addressed.

I am of the camp that we do not get to the Western Conference finals without Harris's defense in the 1st two rounds. Without Harris we lose in 6 to the Jazz, and that was blatantly obvious.

Also I would love to hear how much of an upgrade today's WEstbrook is over Gary Harris. Westbrook was only slightly more efficient on offense than Harris was, his defense is a huge downgrade, and he is not going to get better as a 32 year old undersized guard. No way would I be happy watching us trade for Westbrook, it is a move to bring in a name that has no on court benefit and would be as dumb of a deal as they have done since this front office took over.

[The Rebel]

What would it take to get Covington from Houston? Salary-wise, Barton is a match, but it's going to take more. Would we be able to get him with this year's 1st and a future 1st? I'd like him as the first forward off the bench.

So, who comes off the bench, Covington, Grant or MPJ ?

Personally if we could get Covington than I would look to sign and trade Grant to somewhere he would like to go and bring back a true C/PF or a backup SG/SF.

While having combo forwards that can defend is great, you still need guys who can guard the big Centers and the small guards. You also need someone at PF that can punish teams for going to small, which we would not have.

[NuggetsWY]

What would it take to get Covington from Houston? Salary-wise, Barton is a match, but it's going to take more. Would we be able to get him with this year's 1st and a future 1st? I'd like him as the first forward off the bench.

So, who comes off the bench, Covington, Grant or MPJ ?

I thought about that. On offense, everyone is better with Jokic & Murray, so who plays better off the bench? I'm not sure there's much of a difference there, but perhaps Porter needs Jokic more. On defense, Porter would be the worst of the three. So I guess I'd start Grant & Covington but I'd defer to coach's decision.

Allowing for the need for one more physical PF as Rebel points out; we could see a rotation of centers-forwards something like:

Jokic 30+ --- unknown 15+
Grant 25+ ----- Covington 5+ ---- unknown 10+
Covington 20+ --- Porter 25+

Adjust minutes based on game situations/opponent. Increase minutes a little in case of injury plus use the deep bench.

[youngthegiant]

Covington is interesting for sure. If Denver can use a Murray/MPJ/Grant/Covington/Jokic type lineup(if Malone would even do it) and hide MPJ on the worst offensive player on the other team, then Denver could be a huge problem. IDK if Barton + a 1st is enough though, might need to get a 3rd team involved to take Barton.

[skywalker33]

Covington is interesting for sure. If Denver can use a Murray/MPJ/Grant/Covington/Jokic type lineup(if Malone would even do it) and hide MPJ on the worst offensive player on the other team, then Denver could be a huge problem. IDK if Barton + a 1st is enough though, might need to get a 3rd team involved to take Barton.

MPJ at SG would be disastrous, he'd get killed with speed guys. Maybe for some quick mins but not as any kind of starting lineup

[TunaFish]

I doubt Covington is available. He outplays his contract. On the other hand, Houston has to move Westbrook and his super max contract or take back an equally difficult contract (i.e. Wall). They may find it it very difficult and probably can only move him to the Knicks.

The Rockets have traded off the bulk of their 1st round picks so they have little interest in tanking. That's why I think they will hang on to much of their team with Harden and Covington and P.J. Tucker. Don't see how they improve but Harden keeps them dangerous. Westbrook at his salary was a gamble and a costly mistake but their old GM has now landed at Philadelphia.

[skywalker33]

While there is little question Jrue would add a new dimension to this team, the more I weigh the cost vs. benefit I have to think twice. I wonder how just integrating MPJ and Grant, a healthy Barton and Harris, Bol in his 2nd season as well as a possible adding a top 10 pick...or any combination of these will impact a team that made it to the WCF and beyond.

[The Rebel]

Chicago Bulls Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players
Monte Morris, Aaron Gordon, 21st overall pick

Outgoing Players
Tomas Satoransky, Chandler Hutchison, Daniel Gafford, 4th overall pick

Chicago picks up 2 starters that would fit well around Lavine and Markennen while making a big move back to 21st. It dumps the guys they do not want to build around, with the reported focus being Lavine and Markennen, with Cody White as a bench scorer for as he develops. they also dump Satoransky's big deal.



Orlando Magic Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players
Will Barton, Tomas Satoransky, 4th overall pick

Outgoing Players
Aaron Gordon, Evan Fournier, 15th overall pick, 45th overall pick

I think even the Orlando fans know that without Isaac next year is not looking good. Reportedly they were hoping that Fournier would opt out and are shopping Gordon. This deal gets them into the top 5 while getting a couple of 2 way veterans that can keep them respectable and attitudes up in the locker room while their 4th pick and other young guys develop.


Denver Nuggets Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players
Chandler Hutchison, Daniel Gafford, Evan Fournier, 15th overall pick. 45th pick

Outgoing Players
Will Barton, Monte Morris, 21st overall pick

Denver trades 2 starting quality players for 2 young role players and a guy who could be the best bench scorer in the league next year. For that they move up from 21st to 15th overall and grab a 2nd round pick. Founier is paid as a starter for 1 more year, but he has shown he is not a true number 1 scorer, he can be a great bench scorer though. With the 15th they should be able to draft one of Vassell, Bey, or Hampton with the 45th you can grab Azubuike. If we re-sign Grant it leaves us a lineup of

Murray/ Dozier/ Hampton
Harris/ Fournier/
MPJ/ Hutchison/ Cancar
Grant/ Bol/ KBD
Jokic/ Gafford /Azubuike

I think that is a contender within the next 2 years.

[TunaFish]

Read on Twitter

There is definitely a split of opinion on this in Nugget's land.

[skywalker33]

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There is definitely a split of opinion on this in Nugget's land.

So, according to a guy try to start a new career and be relevant, DEN should have to OVERPAY to get better ??? THat's click-bait if ever I heard. All for getting better but don't make stupid trades to do it.

[The Rebel]

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There is definitely a split of opinion on this in Nugget's land.

Last I checked Karl was fired by the Nuggets, as he has been fired by every team once he starts telling or trying to tell the GM what to do. Karl has a long history of making bad trades when he had a say in the matter.

[skywalker33]

Chicago Bulls Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players
Monte Morris, Aaron Gordon, 21st overall pick

Outgoing Players
Tomas Satoransky, Chandler Hutchison, Daniel Gafford, 4th overall pick

Chicago picks up 2 starters that would fit well around Lavine and Markennen while making a big move back to 21st. It dumps the guys they do not want to build around, with the reported focus being Lavine and Markennen, with Cody White as a bench scorer for as he develops. they also dump Satoransky's big deal.



Orlando Magic Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players
Will Barton, Tomas Satoransky, 4th overall pick

Outgoing Players
Aaron Gordon, Evan Fournier, 15th overall pick, 45th overall pick

I think even the Orlando fans know that without Isaac next year is not looking good. Reportedly they were hoping that Fournier would opt out and are shopping Gordon. This deal gets them into the top 5 while getting a couple of 2 way veterans that can keep them respectable and attitudes up in the locker room while their 4th pick and other young guys develop.


Denver Nuggets Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players
Chandler Hutchison, Daniel Gafford, Evan Fournier, 15th overall pick. 45th pick

Outgoing Players
Will Barton, Monte Morris, 21st overall pick

Denver trades 2 starting quality players for 2 young role players and a guy who could be the best bench scorer in the league next year. For that they move up from 21st to 15th overall and grab a 2nd round pick. Founier is paid as a starter for 1 more year, but he has shown he is not a true number 1 scorer, he can be a great bench scorer though. With the 15th they should be able to draft one of Vassell, Bey, or Hampton with the 45th you can grab Azubuike. If we re-sign Grant it leaves us a lineup of

Murray/ Dozier/ Hampton
Harris/ Fournier/
MPJ/ Hutchison/ Cancar
Grant/ Bol/ KBD
Jokic/ Gafford /Azubuike

I think that is a contender within the next 2 years.

C'mon REBEL, get real....it should be the 22nd pick

To me, this is the type of trade we need to look at. These are guys to solidify our bench, allow future cap space sooner while playing to our strength in getting higher/ more draft picks.

[Manolito]

Oubre and Barton´s salaries match perfectly. Adding two second rounds is enough to convince OKC?

[skywalker33]

Oubre and Barton´s salaries match perfectly. Adding two second rounds is enough to convince OKC?

I like Oubre, but he's a SF and his contract expires after this year, he'll probably be looking again for starter money. Where do you see him playing, off the bench ?? And do you think you can resign him and MPJ after next year ??