2020 Offseason Strategy Thread

[ejs78]

https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/mavericks/2020/11/15/the-mavericks-already-hold-a-pair-of-aces-but-this-nba-draft-may-not-bring-them-three-of-a-kind/?outputType=amp&__twitter_impression=true

And I'm fine with this.

Draft 2 players, use MLE, and get Brunson/Powell/WCS back.

Should be a fun week regardless

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[Mr B]

The above piece was written by Mike Fisher. He has a bruising track record of bad rumors which I believe he makes up himself.

However, I did consider us as a potential "third team" when I first read about the Chris Paul interest by Phoenix. Things like this are incredibly complicated, and I have a hard time understanding what we would need to give up besides picks. Nor am I absolutely thrilled Oubre moves the needle much for the Mavericks. The #10 pick, on the other hand, is inviting. I'd love to have that one. So I kind of hope Fisher gets lucky on this rumor.

Some interesting ideas regarding 3 and 4-team trades here: https://thesmokingcuban.com/2020/11/12/dallas-mavericks-trades-suns-chris-paul/6/

None of these ideas involve moving up in the draft but are interesting nonetheless.

Hardaway would be the first person I can think of because he has an expiring contract. Sure Mavs are helping to facilitate the trade but in order to be part of the trade (and not some other team) the Mavs have to include assets. The two picks and Hardaway’s expiring contract is where I would start. Mavs would still make out like bandits.


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[Mr B]

Just don't see the Mavs using over 60mil of cap space on 3 centers.

Getting Gobert means 3 things:

1. 2021 capspace still preserved. Gobert is a 2021 FA.
2. Mavs probably figured KP wont last a decade in the league with injuries or is not expected to play 82 games every year.
3. Gobert plays the Dwight Powel role with more defense. KP being paid the max is expected to shoulder more offensive load.

Personally I'd rather have KP play like Dirk, in which he takes on more responsibility on offense like DIrk. Leave the defense to Gobert the way it was with Tyson. KP is paid the max, ideally you'd like him to perform like a max player and get buckets.

Now in what we can offer Utah for him, I'd say Powell + Kleber + Curry + 18. If Gobert indeed plans to bolt Utah, that is a decent return. And with Ingles getting up there in age and losing a step, Kleber to replace him wouldn't be so bad either. Not a lot of free agents would go live in Salt Lake City. They'd have to get stuff via trades, I'd imagine.

C- Gobert
PF- Porzingis
SF- Finney Smith
SG- Hardaway Jr.
PG- Doncic

Not the lineup I was hoping for, but if it happens, it ain't so bad either.

From what I tell, you're not sold on the long term fit of Gobert with Doncic and KP. Then why would Mavs give up Seth-Kleber?
This trade looks like a "win now" trade but I don't think this trade would bring much more wins for the 2021 season.
You wrote the starting 5 but with this trade the bench get a low worse.
We'd play Justin Jackson big minutes. Two of the Brunson-Burke-Barea would be on the court for the second five and they cannot defend SG/SF like Seth. I think Seth's ability to run without ball brings another layer on offense too. So losing him doesn't sound right.

The Mavs bench will likely look very different anyways. There are already rumors that they will sign Milsap. I expect they will add a couple of young 2-way players and sign a couple vets. They could even still trade for Danny Green. Point is Gobert wouldn’t be the only move they make.


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[HMFFL]

Brad Townsend: I’m told Mavs are not in on the Jrue Holiday trade sweepstakes. One of the biggest reasons: Pels are determined to trade him to an Eastern Conference team. They don’t want to compete against him.

 

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[arkuo]

Brad Townsend: I’m told Mavs are not in on the Jrue Holiday trade sweepstakes. One of the biggest reasons: Pels are determined to trade him to an Eastern Conference team. They don’t want to compete against him.

 

– via Twitter townbrad



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Why do I feel it's a lot of BS from Pels front office? Want to send Jrue to the East because they don't want to compete against him? But why didn't they apply the same restrictions to Anthony Davis who they will compete against 4 times a year until he retires in LA?

[arkuo]

Free agency is staring in a few days. Are Luka and KP in town to help with recruitment pitches? Because if they aren't then it says the Mavs are looking towards 2021 and will likely stand pat or punt and take a minor deal this summer as a bridge season to when Cuban actually wants to spend.

[HMFFL]

Brad Townsend: I’m told Mavs are not in on the Jrue Holiday trade sweepstakes. One of the biggest reasons: Pels are determined to trade him to an Eastern Conference team. They don’t want to compete against him.

 

– via Twitter townbrad



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Why do I feel it's a lot of BS from Pels front office? Want to send Jrue to the East because they don't want to compete against him? But why didn't they apply the same restrictions to Anthony Davis who they will compete against 4 times a year until he retires in LA?

Because they received the biggest return of value from the Lakers unless I forgot something.

I do believe their front office have been playing games and are expecting far to much for Jrue. I don't see a team giving them a top 6 pick unless New Orleans includes more value. Jrue can opt out of his contract after one season.

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[HMFFL]

Robin interest me at a cheap price. He is probably expecting 8-10m. A one year deal is appealing for us or to me it would be.


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Kevin O’Connor: Sources: Free agent Paul Millsap is expected to draw interest from the Trail Blazers. Millsap turns 36 this season and is well past his prime, but he still offers leadership, tough defense, and shooting. Portland’s bigs got wrecked by AD, a reliable vet like Millsap could help.

 

– via Twitter KevinOConnorNBA


Adrian Wojnarowski: Milwaukee Bucks center Robin Lopez is declining his $5M player option and becoming a free agent, source tells ESPN.

 

– via Twitter wojespn




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[Pinkyring]

Robin interest me at a cheap price. He is probably expecting 8-10m. A one year deal is appealing for us or to me it would be.


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Kevin O’Connor: Sources: Free agent Paul Millsap is expected to draw interest from the Trail Blazers. Millsap turns 36 this season and is well past his prime, but he still offers leadership, tough defense, and shooting. Portland’s bigs got wrecked by AD, a reliable vet like Millsap could help.

 

– via Twitter KevinOConnorNBA


Adrian Wojnarowski: Milwaukee Bucks center Robin Lopez is declining his $5M player option and becoming a free agent, source tells ESPN.

 

– via Twitter wojespn




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I don't know how Lopez gets anything more than he makes now.

The guy i want desperately is kris dunn, he's Marcus smart light defensively and luka getting him open looks i can see him hitting 35% at 3

[HMFFL]

Robin interest me at a cheap price. He is probably expecting 8-10m. A one year deal is appealing for us or to me it would be.


______________________

Kevin O’Connor: Sources: Free agent Paul Millsap is expected to draw interest from the Trail Blazers. Millsap turns 36 this season and is well past his prime, but he still offers leadership, tough defense, and shooting. Portland’s bigs got wrecked by AD, a reliable vet like Millsap could help.

 

– via Twitter KevinOConnorNBA


Adrian Wojnarowski: Milwaukee Bucks center Robin Lopez is declining his $5M player option and becoming a free agent, source tells ESPN.

 

– via Twitter wojespn




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I don't know how Lopez gets anything more than he makes now.

The guy i want desperately is kris dunn, he's Marcus smart light defensively and luka getting him open looks i can see him hitting 35% at 3

I'm with you on Dunn.
Everything about him makes sense for us.

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[Pinkyring]

Robin interest me at a cheap price. He is probably expecting 8-10m. A one year deal is appealing for us or to me it would be.


______________________

Kevin O’Connor: Sources: Free agent Paul Millsap is expected to draw interest from the Trail Blazers. Millsap turns 36 this season and is well past his prime, but he still offers leadership, tough defense, and shooting. Portland’s bigs got wrecked by AD, a reliable vet like Millsap could help.

 

– via Twitter KevinOConnorNBA


Adrian Wojnarowski: Milwaukee Bucks center Robin Lopez is declining his $5M player option and becoming a free agent, source tells ESPN.

 

– via Twitter wojespn




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I don't know how Lopez gets anything more than he makes now.

The guy i want desperately is kris dunn, he's Marcus smart light defensively and luka getting him open looks i can see him hitting 35% at 3

I'm with you on Dunn.
Everything about him makes sense for us.

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Yeah bulls aren't extending the qo id offer 3/18 with a to, he's a dog defensively

[blyent]

SI.com has Dallas taking Gobert if Giannis signs an extension with Milwaukee.

Interesting angle. Carlisle is too good a coach for him not to think of creative ways to make it work. Also, getting Gobert signals that KP will take a more active role in the offense. Scoring off lobs and extending the 3 point range. Which I agree. You're paying him the max to score more and get buckets. Make it worthwhile.

Just don't see the Mavs using over 60mil of cap space on 3 centers.

Getting Gobert means 3 things:

1. 2021 capspace still preserved. Gobert is a 2021 FA.
2. Mavs probably figured KP wont last a decade in the league with injuries or is not expected to play 82 games every year.
3. Gobert plays the Dwight Powel role with more defense. KP being paid the max is expected to shoulder more offensive load.

Personally I'd rather have KP play like Dirk, in which he takes on more responsibility on offense like DIrk. Leave the defense to Gobert the way it was with Tyson. KP is paid the max, ideally you'd like him to perform like a max player and get buckets.

Now in what we can offer Utah for him, I'd say Powell + Kleber + Curry + 18. If Gobert indeed plans to bolt Utah, that is a decent return. And with Ingles getting up there in age and losing a step, Kleber to replace him wouldn't be so bad either. Not a lot of free agents would go live in Salt Lake City. They'd have to get stuff via trades, I'd imagine.

C- Gobert
PF- Porzingis
SF- Finney Smith
SG- Hardaway Jr.
PG- Doncic

Not the lineup I was hoping for, but if it happens, it ain't so bad either.

If for some reason Milwaukee can't make the necessary moves to entice Giannis to resign with them. They may be willing to do a sign and trade.

So here is a pipe dream.

If we are able to pull off the trade mentioned above now. We could re-sign Gobert next off season and if Milwaukee is going to lose Giannis, they may be interested in a S&T that is centered around KP going to Milwaukee. Depending what salaries we have, we may be able to rid them of Middleton as well so they can start the rebuild.

Could have a core of Luka, Giannis, Gobert, and Middleton.

I did say it was a pipe dream.

[Archx]

Robin interest me at a cheap price. He is probably expecting 8-10m. A one year deal is appealing for us or to me it would be.

Please no. I would pay him 8M to stay away from Mavs. I'm 100% sure they can find a much better player.

[dirkforpres]

Robin interest me at a cheap price. He is probably expecting 8-10m. A one year deal is appealing for us or to me it would be.


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Kevin O’Connor: Sources: Free agent Paul Millsap is expected to draw interest from the Trail Blazers. Millsap turns 36 this season and is well past his prime, but he still offers leadership, tough defense, and shooting. Portland’s bigs got wrecked by AD, a reliable vet like Millsap could help.

 

– via Twitter KevinOConnorNBA


Adrian Wojnarowski: Milwaukee Bucks center Robin Lopez is declining his $5M player option and becoming a free agent, source tells ESPN.

 

– via Twitter wojespn




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Robin doesn’t really excite me at anything more than 4-5 million. Honestly I’d rather just put Boban out there more than pay Lopez that kind of money.

[ejs78]

I know they are just rumors, but WHY THE HELL DOES THIS TEAM LOVE DANNY GREEN!!!!

Sorry couldn't hold back

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[HMFFL]

I don't know how Lopez gets anything more than he makes now.

The guy i want desperately is kris dunn, he's Marcus smart light defensively and luka getting him open looks i can see him hitting 35% at 3

I'm with you on Dunn.
Everything about him makes sense for us.

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Yeah bulls aren't extending the qo id offer 3/18 with a to, he's a dog defensively

If that's the case I would assume half of the teams in the league will pursue him.

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[HMFFL]

I know they are just rumors, but WHY THE HELL DOES THIS TEAM LOVE DANNY GREEN!!!!

Sorry couldn't hold back

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Proven winner as a role player that has hit big shots for San Antonio and Toronto. Three championships I believe.

One year left on his contract.
2020-21: $15,365,853

I never wanted us to sign him when he chose the Lakers over us. Since he's expiring I'm fine if we acquire him depending on what it cost us.

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[ejs78]

I know they are just rumors, but WHY THE HELL DOES THIS TEAM LOVE DANNY GREEN!!!!

Sorry couldn't hold back

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Proven winner as a role player that has hit big shots for San Antonio and Toronto. Three championships I believe.

One year left on his contract.
2020-21: $15,365,853

I never wanted us to sign him when he chose the Lakers over us. Since he's expiring I'm fine if we acquire him depending on what it cost us.

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If hes bought out sure go for it. Not giving up 18 & Wright (as much as he needs to go) for him. Guy is too much on the decline for me.

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[Mr B]

I know they are just rumors, but WHY THE HELL DOES THIS TEAM LOVE DANNY GREEN!!!!

Sorry couldn't hold back

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Because of the times he killed the Mavs when he was with the Spurs.


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[arkuo]

Im surprised that Dallas cant come up with a better package for Robert Covington.