Official Speculation Thread '19-'20 V: Purgatory

[BlueBlazer]

Having Vooch and Westbrook on this team would be like a dream come true for me. Definite contenders in the East.

Russ never played with a big as skilled as vuc, could be a great pick and roll duo

True Westbrook and Vuc fit well on theory, Russ will destroy defenses and provide assists for Vuc to score in a variety of easy ways around the paint, BUT...just think about what would our perimeter offense look like with non-shooters like Fultz, Russ, Iwundu, Aminu, AG and on and off unreliable guards like TRoss and the French croissant. Not a good future perspective.

We would probably have to give up a couple of those above players to get Westbrook.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

i have a feeling major trades are comming

AG won’t be on the Magic at the end of the day IMO.

you really think he gets traded today?

I could see it happening, he's been on the block since end of last year. Minny, Phoenix and Portland could be options. The FO should be smart enough to say hmm we're without Isaac let's try to add youth this year let them play and hopefully we've got something to work with in 21.

Gimme a 2nd 1st rounder over whatever MCW, Iwundu, Frazier, Ennis brings to the team because I'm not looking for an 8th seed. I want to see growth from the young guys and end up in that 5-8th worst odds for next year. No I am not tanking but we're "developing young talent" and letting them play through the growing pains.

[MaKiaVeLi7]

Russ never played with a big as skilled as vuc, could be a great pick and roll duo

True Westbrook and Vuc fit well on theory, Russ will destroy defenses and provide assists for Vuc to score in a variety of easy ways around the paint, BUT...just think about what would our perimeter offense look like with non-shooters like Fultz, Russ, Iwundu, Aminu, AG and on and off unreliable guards like TRoss and the French croissant. Not a good future perspective.

We would probably have to give up a couple of those above players to get Westbrook.

Sure, still would be lacking shooting in a desperate way though. And Russ will also add to our abysmal shooting % in a negative way. Westbrook is a poor 3-point shooter but not shy at all to chuck away from the perimeter.

[pepe1991]

This feels like rock bottom. Arguing whether we should take on Westbrook just for something different to watch.

Acquiring RW will make the team intriguing to watch for at least a season, but it will also instantly erase the little positive our lazy front office made the last 3 years. Like it or not, Russell's contract would be like a cancer to what we are trying to build in Orl. Not a fan of acquiring a 32 years old, injury-prone non-shooter that relies on outrunning, outjumping opponents, entirely dependent on his declining athleticism on the wrong side of 30s. And pay him $130+ over 3 seasons if he is healthy, naaaah paaaassss. No thanks!

What are Magic trying to build execlly? Team around worst first overall pick since Bennett and another draft bum Bamba?

Or we are going to pretend that Isaac will just come back and spend career healthy, despite being hurt in 3 of 4 years he was in nba.

[MagicFan101]

This team desperately needs a franchise superstar.

As much as I am a fan of Westbrook, he isn’t the right player to chase at this stage in his career.

[MaKiaVeLi7]

This feels like rock bottom. Arguing whether we should take on Westbrook just for something different to watch.

Acquiring RW will make the team intriguing to watch for at least a season, but it will also instantly erase the little positive our lazy front office made the last 3 years. Like it or not, Russell's contract would be like a cancer to what we are trying to build in Orl. Not a fan of acquiring a 32 years old, injury-prone non-shooter that relies on outrunning, outjumping opponents, entirely dependent on his declining athleticism on the wrong side of 30s. And pay him $130+ over 3 seasons if he is healthy, naaaah paaaassss. No thanks!

What are Magic trying to build execlly? Team around worst first overall pick since Bennett and another draft bum Bamba?

Don't get me wrong Pepe, I am not behind the WeHam philosophy, just saying RW's contract and style of play would be detrimental to our team and foundation we now have. On the other hand, will RW bring excitement and optimism to our fan base - certainly YES. If Russ comes along with some of his buddies and makes us contenders in the weak East, sure we'll all be happy. But let's be honest, going way over the cap in such a scenario and gambling in a big way on RW style of play working on the Magic is not what we should expect out of Weltman, unless he's been given a deadline by the owners and he is in a panic mode now. Also given the risk of injuries for Russ and his declining athleticism, come on, let's stay sober here and not become the next Knicks.

[Def Swami]

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lol wtf at what point is it deconditioning?

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[Def Swami]

I'm honestly on my last straw with Weltman and Hammond. If they try to push this continuity bit again with the expectation to be better in a much improved Eastern Conference, they're delusional and way in over their heads. Every time Weltman talks to the media, I feel worse about this team.

[j-ragg]

Especially if you like your team. Lmao

[MartinsIzAfraud]

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lol wtf at what point is it deconditioning?

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okeke not being able to workout at Magic facilities and with players is going to hurt him and Cliff won't trust him early on. Dude will be lucky to see 12 minutes a night.

Also the last tweet is just fml

[MartinsIzAfraud]

I'm honestly on my last straw with Weltman and Hammond. If they try to push this continuity bit again with the expectation to be better in a much improved Eastern Conference, they're delusional and way in over their heads. Every time Weltman talks to the media, I feel worse about this team.

Nets won't be pushing for 7th 8th seed and the Hawks could make some moves. Orlando very well could end up 10th seed this year depending on how Washington looks

[pepe1991]

I think NBA went in direction where it's impossible to build team from ground up.
There is simply way too much star and players movment to invest too much time into sucking on purpose, and odds are, if you found superstar, you have to rush your path toward contending or he will ask for trade.

Minessota can't even build team around 1# pick from 2020 and Towns who was 1# pick in 2015 because Towns already wants out.

Fans fantisize about "timeline" but in reality you either are doing something within 2 years or you are on your path to nowhere.

[MaKiaVeLi7]

Agree, but don't get your hopes up, WeHam won't take any risks. Do not expect any major trades and roster re-shuffling soon and you won't be disappointed. I see less than 5% chance of this FO going after all-star caliber player and even less after superstar like RW. I expect them to round out the roster by acquiring 2-3 role players for the bench and that's it, sad but true.

I'm honestly on my last straw with Weltman and Hammond. If they try to push this continuity bit again with the expectation to be better in a much improved Eastern Conference, they're delusional and way in over their heads. Every time Weltman talks to the media, I feel worse about this team.

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[Def Swami]

Here's the full quote on Bamba. I'm hesitant to make any assumptions based on this, but it is concerning that he still has lingering effects 5 months out. And I'm not sure why Weltman felt the need to say this unless he's getting ahead of fan backlash when Bamba is still riding the bench when the season starts.

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[MartinsIzAfraud]

Here's the full quote on Bamba. I'm hesitant to make any assumptions based on this, but it is concerning that he still has lingering effects 5 months out. And I'm not sure why Weltman felt the need to say this unless he's getting ahead of fan backlash when Bamba is still riding the bench when the season starts.

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At this point the Bamba stuff is what it is. He's slowly becoming another wasted top pick and by the time we have to re-up he will have played 1/3 of his rookie contract.

[pepe1991]

Is this a joke about Bamba and covid19? In soccer there have been almost every 3rd player infected, after 10-20 days they are all back at playing 90 min, on pace of 11 km /7 miles a game, 2 to 3 times a week.

I think if the doctors are concerned about anything they would have told me, but I’ve heard nothing but good news since I left the bubble,” Bamba told Roy Parry of the Orlando Sentinel.

Late Augsut.
It's middle of November.

This is just another pure exucse for drafting player that is incapable of being in basketball - playing shape for whatever reason.
Guy had stress fracture by averaging 18 min a game. Let's get serious. This excuses are getting laughable. Corona ? I have 93 years old grandmom's friend that had corona and now is back at chopping woods. And i'm not even kidding. Get a **** out with corona and 22 years old having lasting impact .

[MaKiaVeLi7]

Right, if you have a bold, brave and savvy front office, it is possible. But overall the odds are against you if you try to build a contender in that way and you don't have the appropriate personnel to execute such a plan. Also, we do not have enough attractive trade chips currently.

I think NBA went in direction where it's impossible to build team from ground up.
There is simply way too much star and players movment to invest too much time into sucking on purpose, and odds are, if you found superstar, you have to rush your path toward contending or he will ask for trade.

Minessota can't even build team around 1# pick from 2020 and Towns who was 1# pick in 2015 because Towns already wants out.

Fans fantisize about "timeline" but in reality you either are doing something within 2 years or you are on your path to nowhere.

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[Skybox]

I'm honestly on my last straw with Weltman and Hammond. If they try to push this continuity bit again with the expectation to be better in a much improved Eastern Conference, they're delusional and way in over their heads. Every time Weltman talks to the media, I feel worse about this team.

Nets won't be pushing for 7th 8th seed and the Hawks could make some moves. Orlando very well could end up 10th seed this year depending on how Washington looks

Let's not forget Washington with a high pick and (?) a healthy John Wall.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

I'm honestly on my last straw with Weltman and Hammond. If they try to push this continuity bit again with the expectation to be better in a much improved Eastern Conference, they're delusional and way in over their heads. Every time Weltman talks to the media, I feel worse about this team.

Nets won't be pushing for 7th 8th seed and the Hawks could make some moves. Orlando very well could end up 10th seed this year depending on how Washington looks

Let's not forget Washington with a high pick and (?) a healthy John Wall.

they have to keep Bertans for me to be worried about them. Keep Bertans get Wall back and add a high pick that will get minutes for sure.