Random Rumors and Trade Board General Thoughts Thread

[Buzzard]

All I have to say is that with CP3->PHX, I expect a arms-race out WEST to begin. It will be interesting to see if teams like Denver, Portland, Utah, or Memphis get aggressive or not.

I expect Dallas to play it's cards for next off-season.

next Domino will be some sort of Harden / Westbrook move I think. If it's Westbrook first, then it will be important to see what comes back. If it's Harden then you can assume a Houston fire sale / feeding frenzy.

I would love the Hawks getting in on some multi team Houston trade again and land Covington. Perfect way to start off the trade season. Hawks add Covington to Capela then play some defense for a change.

[Kilo]

Harden will only be moved if Westbrook can't be. I don't think Houston trades both.

[VCfor3]

All I have to say is that with CP3->PHX, I expect a arms-race out WEST to begin. It will be interesting to see if teams like Denver, Portland, Utah, or Memphis get aggressive or not.

I expect Dallas to play it's cards for next off-season.

next Domino will be some sort of Harden / Westbrook move I think. If it's Westbrook first, then it will be important to see what comes back. If it's Harden then you can assume a Houston fire sale / feeding frenzy.

I hope we don't rush anything. If there is an interesting young guy we can take a shot at then sure, but no to trying to accelerate the timeline.

[zimpy27]

One of the smartest thing that Sam Presti does is that he works with the players he is trading to get them one of the destinations they like.

That means that he can tell the team he is trading with that player X wants to come to your team, he can have the player speak to the other team, discuss ways they can fit. This makes player X far more valuable to that team, it makes it real and it makes them confident they are getting a happy employee from Day 1.

This may be counterintuitive for some because it appears Sam now has less leverage as that player wants to go there and could get there in FA. However, he still holds the cards and can make it a 2 or 3 team race.

[Snakebites]

Harden now wants out.

I get it. Totally get it.

But is anyone else getting really, really sick of this cycle, where everytime a team can't win a championship it's best players want out so they can be on a superteam?

I feel like we've seen this a dozen times or more already.

[Texas Chuck]

But is anyone else getting really, really sick of this cycle, where everytime a team can't win a championship it's best players want out so they can be on a superteam?
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No. I think it was too long in coming this age of player empowerment.

Now am I scared to death about Luka forcing his way out in 3 or 4 years? You betcha I am. But I support the players in their efforts to have more say in where they play.

[MoneyTalks41890]

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[Snakebites]

But is anyone else getting really, really sick of this cycle, where everytime a team can't win a championship it's best players want out so they can be on a superteam?
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No. I think it was too long in coming this age of player empowerment.

Now am I scared to death about Luka forcing his way out in 3 or 4 years? You betcha I am. But I support the players in their efforts to have more say in where they play.

I've come around on players demanding trades when they aren't happy where they are. I think it's hypocritical to be okay with teams deciding to deal players in the middle of their contracts while condemning players for asking for trades. This is not a shot at any player's character whatsoever. As I stated, I get it. That wasn't just rhetoric.

What I don't like is the inevitable filtering of stars to a handful of usually large market teams that inevitably results from that. It's really not fun to watch unless you're a fan of a team in a good market.

That's me speaking as a fan. There's an inevitability to it that's just discouraging. As a Piston fan, we've got nothing. But I have to brace myself for the likelihood that even if we manage to snag a great player via the draft I'll probably only get to watch him for a few years.

[GutUNC]

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The math here would seem to be pretty straight-forward. If the Sixers want him and offer Ben Simmons+, they get him. If they don't, Houston either has to ride this out or begrudgingly take the LeVert/Dinwiddie/picks offer.

[Buzzard]

Harden now wants out.

I get it. Totally get it.

But is anyone else getting really, really sick of this cycle, where everytime a team can't win a championship it's best players want out so they can be on a superteam?

I feel like we've seen this a dozen times or more already.

After the LeBron, Kyrie, Leonard, PG13, Bosh, Durant, AD moves, I can say I have grown numb to it over the years. I am glad the NBA allows the draft rights team to try and build something good the first 7 to 9 years. If they fail, they should have done better.

[MoneyTalks41890]

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The math here would seem to be pretty straight-forward. If the Sixers want him and offer Ben Simmons+, they get him. If they don't, Houston either has to ride this out or begrudgingly take the LeVert/Dinwiddie/picks offer.

Simmons seems to be the obvious desired piece for Houston. No one else will have a player close to that available. If Houston moves Westbrook and Harden though do they try to keep RoCo etc in order to not give away higher picks? Or is it a sunk cost at this point and you just do whatever is better going forward?

I’d love to get OKC involved in a deal with Houston where we basically ransom their picks back to them, but not for Harden and probably not for Simmons either (too many other picks probably required)

[zimpy27]

But is anyone else getting really, really sick of this cycle, where everytime a team can't win a championship it's best players want out so they can be on a superteam?
.

No. I think it was too long in coming this age of player empowerment.

Now am I scared to death about Luka forcing his way out in 3 or 4 years? You betcha I am. But I support the players in their efforts to have more say in where they play.

I believe teams just have to work harder to make their teams competitive and it's important for owners to open their wallets when you have a great player or you will lose him.

[Snakebites]

Harden now wants out.

I get it. Totally get it.

But is anyone else getting really, really sick of this cycle, where everytime a team can't win a championship it's best players want out so they can be on a superteam?

I feel like we've seen this a dozen times or more already.

After the LeBron, Kyrie, Leonard, PG13, Bosh, Durant, AD moves, I can say I have grown numb to it over the years. I am glad the NBA allows the draft rights team to try and build something good the first 7 to 9 years. If they fail, they should have done better.

I don't quite buy this logic either. If you're a small market, you've got a few more years to make it work or you're DONE.

If you're a big market who can't make it work, don't worry, if you've got a star some other failed team will eventually donate their star to you. No worries.

It's...frustrating. This whole "sink or swim" thing seems only to apply to the relatively undesirable markets.

[gswhoops]

Per Spears, Wiseman said that he's only worked out for two teams: Golden State and Charlotte. Has not worked out or met with Minnesota.

[zimpy27]

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The math here would seem to be pretty straight-forward. If the Sixers want him and offer Ben Simmons+, they get him. If they don't, Houston either has to ride this out or begrudgingly take the LeVert/Dinwiddie/picks offer.

Simmons seems to be the obvious desired piece for Houston. No one else will have a player close to that available. If Houston moves Westbrook and Harden though do they try to keep RoCo etc in order to not give away higher picks? Or is it a sunk cost at this point and you just do whatever is better going forward?

I’d love to get OKC involved in a deal with Houston where we basically ransom their picks back to them, but not for Harden and probably not for Simmons either (too many other picks probably required)

Simmons and Horford for Harden and Gordon?

Embiid and Harris for Harden and Covington?

[BullyKing]

But is anyone else getting really, really sick of this cycle, where everytime a team can't win a championship it's best players want out so they can be on a superteam?
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No. I think it was too long in coming this age of player empowerment.

Now am I scared to death about Luka forcing his way out in 3 or 4 years? You betcha I am. But I support the players in their efforts to have more say in where they play.

I believe teams just have to work harder to make their teams competitive and it's important for owners to open their wallets when you have a great player or you will lose him.

The problem is this often becomes a self-defeating strategy. The Pelicans kept trading 1sts to get win now veterans in hopes that it would make AD stay. But unless you hit on all of those trades, you're now just an older team that still isn't a contender but without 1sts to get better.

[azwfan]

But is anyone else getting really, really sick of this cycle, where everytime a team can't win a championship it's best players want out so they can be on a superteam?
.

No. I think it was too long in coming this age of player empowerment.

Now am I scared to death about Luka forcing his way out in 3 or 4 years? You betcha I am. But I support the players in their efforts to have more say in where they play.

I believe teams just have to work harder to make their teams competitive and it's important for owners to open their wallets when you have a great player or you will lose him.

I got no problem with players playing where they want to be. The only thing I don't like is the contract and trading process. Wish teams and players could just mutually void a contract over teams being able to unilaterally trade someone to another team.
"I signed with the Lakers to be closer to home, and now you're sending me to the East coast?"
At least then the contracts could mean more. Or if every player had a trade kicker at least?

[mademan]

That's 3 pg's off the board for the Clips now. They really gonna settle for Rondo and run it back?

[Snakebites]

No. I think it was too long in coming this age of player empowerment.

Now am I scared to death about Luka forcing his way out in 3 or 4 years? You betcha I am. But I support the players in their efforts to have more say in where they play.

I believe teams just have to work harder to make their teams competitive and it's important for owners to open their wallets when you have a great player or you will lose him.

The problem is this often becomes a self-defeating strategy. The Pelicans kept trading 1sts to get win now veterans in hopes that it would make AD stay. But unless you hit on all of those trades, you're now just an older team that still isn't a contender but without 1sts to get better.

As I said before, I've heard this logic before.

But the whole "sink or swim before your guy leaves" thing is only true for the small and undeseriable markets. If you're a desirable market and you struggle, you just have to wait a while. Your star won't demand a trade. Some other star will demand to play with your star in your market.

Only noteworthy exception is the Knicks, who seem to not be able to figure it out even with the handicap.

[Texas Chuck]

That's 3 pg's off the board for the Clips now. They really gonna settle for Rondo and run it back?

Rubio definitely isn't off the market....