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Post#721 » by Texas Chuck » Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:20 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:There's also a lot more to this, but Westbrook resigned in OKC, as did Paul George, when both were thought to want to walk for greener pastures. The Jazz have managed to keep a lot of their guys happy playing in Utah.

Small markets start at a disadvantage, but that's where you need to build the culture, get creative, etc. I don't have a lot of profound things to say about this, I guess, except that it's possible to not end up as a backwater that no one wants to play for even if you aren't a major market.


Those boys in San Antonio have a half a century of sustained success and two decades straight of contention. And yeah a huge part of that was landing a superstar who didn't care about the big lights, but it also mattered that they found Manu late 2nd and Parker late 1st and Kawhi outside the lottery. That outside of Richard Jefferson they never made any major missteps and even that they fixed quickly.
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Post#722 » by goober » Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:22 pm

I wonder if James Harden cares more about contending than market. If he would okay going to utah (very unlikely, i know) I’d offer Conley, Mitchell, and 23

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Post#723 » by loserX » Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:23 pm

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mademan wrote:well consider me corrected. If OKC fans think Zubac/Shamet is fine, Clips should run with that. Sign Dwight with the tax payer MLE and bring back Morris/Harell


I'm probably more inclined to look elsewhere first, or maybe even hold onto Rubio for a while, but my general point is that if Presti and the org think Shamet and Zubac are the best deal they can get, they will likely do it without worrying too much about the fact that it's the Clippers. That deal probably also involves Lou or Bev for salary. Lou can get flipped for value elsewhere. Bev just needs to stay the hell away from ever donning a Thunder jersey.


If I were the Clippers I wouldn't give LouWill and Shamet and Zubac just for Rubio. He provides something they need but even if they convinced themselves to overpay (which this would be), this is punching all kinds of holes in the lineup.

I'd flip LouWill for expirings + sweetener, then build up the salary difference with lesser guys. Maybe you get Zubac if the Clips think they can replace him, but trading LouWill and Shamet for a guy who famously can't shoot is asking for trouble.
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Post#724 » by Ell Curry » Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:24 pm

mademan wrote:well consider me corrected. If OKC fans think Zubac/Shamet is fine, Clips should run with that. Sign Dwight with the tax payer MLE and bring back Morris/Harell


Shamet and Zubac are 2 young competent players under team contorl, having them off the team for an about to UFA 30 year old is worth doing for OKC for the draft help it would bring in 2024-26 when Kawhi and George are into their mid 30s.
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Post#725 » by Soulyss » Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:24 pm

One more reason why Dallas might sit this off-season out and focus on 2021...

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30331076/dallas-mavericks-star-kristaps-porzingis-miss-start-season
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Post#726 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:27 pm

In case there wasn't enough to talk about

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Post#727 » by Buzzard » Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:33 pm

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Phoenix and Houston are huge markets also. In the NBA, the desirable markets are basically LA, San Francisco, Miami and New York. The Nets only recently moved to Brooklyn and were able to pull Durant and Kyrie the first second they had cap space to pull it off. Unless the front office is truly dysfunctional (Knicks), those are basically the realistic landing spots for megastars. I mean the Lakers front office has been dysfunctional for years and they still pulled off Lebron and AD.

The Lakers have been constant though with Buss ownership and Magic/Kobe influences. They are seen as glamorous and they pull that image off no matter who is the VP or President.

We were not talking about landing players. The conversation was about keeping your stars. The Spurs and Mavericks have a history of doing that pretty well. Minus Leonard :D


That was a different era

We will see. Chicago lost Butler and he came into the league in 2011/12 with Duncan and Dirk winning championships. I think the league has changed and its more common. But it did happen, even in the seventies and eighties.

Reggie Theis and Moses Malone teamed up with Dominique Wilkins and Kevin Willis when I was just out of high school to form a super team. Before that, Moses teamed up with Dr. J to get him a championship.

Its neither here nor there. The conversation was about the drafting team having 7 to 9 years to do some good. If they don't, the player can move on. I expect that to happen in a lot of cases with superstars; unless they can get someone like KG or Moses to come over for a last gasp run.
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Post#728 » by ThunderBolt » Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:33 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:In case there wasn't enough to talk about

Read on Twitter
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This terrifies me.
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Post#729 » by Soulyss » Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:33 pm

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MoneyTalks41890 wrote:In case there wasn't enough to talk about

Read on Twitter
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This terrifies me.


Wasn't he a practice player on that G-League team already? This feels like non-news.
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Post#730 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:36 pm

Soulyss wrote:
ThunderBolt wrote:
MoneyTalks41890 wrote:In case there wasn't enough to talk about

Read on Twitter
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This terrifies me.


Wasn't he a practice player on that G-League team already? This feels like non-news.


The QT is from March. The point from Givony is that having the brother around provided for some scouting opportunities.
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Post#731 » by zimpy27 » Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:39 pm

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MoneyTalks41890 wrote:In case there wasn't enough to talk about

Read on Twitter
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This terrifies me.


Wiggins and Pick 2 for Rubio and Oubre?

That feels scarily like something that could happen
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Post#732 » by Soulyss » Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:41 pm

zimpy27 wrote:
ThunderBolt wrote:
MoneyTalks41890 wrote:In case there wasn't enough to talk about

Read on Twitter
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This terrifies me.


Wiggins and Pick 2 for Rubio and Oubre?

That feels scarily like something that could happen


I don't think you can combine them in a trade, which would make the salary match impossible I would guess. Breathe easier :)
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Post#733 » by ThunderBolt » Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:41 pm

zimpy27 wrote:
ThunderBolt wrote:
MoneyTalks41890 wrote:In case there wasn't enough to talk about

Read on Twitter
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This terrifies me.


Wiggins and Pick 2 for Rubio and Oubre?

That feels scarily like something that could happen

I'm less scared of Wiggins than Lamelo. Lamelo just seems like he would be an immediate malcontent in OKC. As much as presti controls the media and player access, I can't see him taking a guy who has a reality show about his family.
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Post#734 » by Domejandro » Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:43 pm

ThunderBolt wrote:
MoneyTalks41890 wrote:In case there wasn't enough to talk about

Read on Twitter
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This terrifies me.

As someone who actually watched NBL basketball, I can confidently say that people need to pretend he has a different last name, because the dude is unbelievably talented. It is something that drives me **** crazy on the Minnesota board (some posters loathe him), he is legitimately a great prospect. Terrific measurements, savant passer, pretty floater game, some defensive potential, and can handle physicality. There is a lot to like, and his father is out of the picture with him.

Disconnect LaMelo from Lavar, they haven’t been connected since Jermaine Jackson entered the picture.
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Post#735 » by loserX » Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:43 pm

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zimpy27 wrote:Wiggins and Pick 2 for Rubio and Oubre?

That feels scarily like something that could happen


I don't think you can combine them in a trade, which would make the salary match impossible I would guess. Breathe easier :)


You can if the original trade isn't official yet. And as some have suggested, it may not be official until FA is going so the Suns can measure out their capspace first.

Just agree now, GSW picks for OKC, everyone waits and executes a 3-team deal later. That would work.
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Post#736 » by ThunderBolt » Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:44 pm

Domejandro wrote:
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MoneyTalks41890 wrote:In case there wasn't enough to talk about

Read on Twitter
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This terrifies me.

As someone who actually watched NBL basketball, I can confidently say that people need to pretend he has a different last name, because the dude is unbelievably talented. It is something that drives me **** crazy on the Minnesota board (some posters loathe him), he is legitimately a great prospect. Terrific measurements, savant passer, pretty floater game, some defensive potential, and can handle physicality. There is a lot to like, and his father is out of the picture with him.



It's not the talent. It's the fit.
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Post#737 » by zimpy27 » Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:44 pm

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ThunderBolt wrote:This terrifies me.


Wiggins and Pick 2 for Rubio and Oubre?

That feels scarily like something that could happen

I'm less scared of Wiggins than Lamelo. Lamelo just seems like he would be an immediate malcontent in OKC. As much as presti controls the media and player access, I can't see him taking a guy who has a reality show about his family.


Well this would be Wiggins and LaMelo :wink:
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Post#738 » by Texas Chuck » Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:46 pm

Domejandro wrote: I can confidently say that people need to pretend he has a different last name, because the dude is unbelievably talented.


I freely admit his name scares me to death. I also see a lot of the good--just like Lonzo his vision and passing is special--but he just has so many holes and years of bad bad habits and he's so self-assured I have some real doubts how coachable he is.

Plus he's a Ball. And that's scary even if dad isn't currently micromanaging things. That upbringing and sense of entitlement is a real thing we can't brush aside and just look at his talent. Lots of really talented dudes never make it for other reasons.
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Post#739 » by Texas Chuck » Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:47 pm

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zimpy27 wrote:Wiggins and Pick 2 for Rubio and Oubre?

That feels scarily like something that could happen


I don't think you can combine them in a trade, which would make the salary match impossible I would guess. Breathe easier :)


You can if the original trade isn't official yet. And as some have suggested, it may not be official until FA is going so the Suns can measure out their capspace first.

Just agree now, GSW picks for OKC, everyone waits and executes a 3-team deal later. That would work.


FWIW Pelton had a piece suggesting the deal was not going to wait until FA.
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Post#740 » by Domejandro » Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:54 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
Domejandro wrote: I can confidently say that people need to pretend he has a different last name, because the dude is unbelievably talented.


I freely admit his name scares me to death. I also see a lot of the good--just like Lonzo his vision and passing is special--but he just has so many holes and years of bad bad habits and he's so self-assured I have some real doubts how coachable he is.

Plus he's a Ball. And that's scary even if dad isn't currently micromanaging things. That upbringing and sense of entitlement is a real thing we can't brush aside and just look at his talent. Lots of really talented dudes never make it for other reasons.

For what it is worth, his teammates on the Hawks loved him, and people familiar with the NBL said that the coaches enjoyed working with him, despite his habits on the court.

LaMelo supposedly had never ran a three-man weave before going to Australia, for context on how much room he has to grow. That is a middle-school level drill that he never learned, which is pretty insane.

The NBL is a really good league, and he more than held his own. That is genuinely impressive, I don’t know if any other players in this Draft his age could have done that.

I don’t think a kid can be blamed for his father, especially given that he pushed his father aside to focus on basketball with a great mentor.

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