Fixing the Mess Pt. 2 Sixers Offseason

[Arsenal]

Telling you guys.... Tobias Harris/Thybulle/JRich and several firsts is the best Houston will get at this point

I'm starting to believe....

We would have to find a way to take Gordon off their hands as well his deal is trash

Yeah that's why I have us eating Gordon and Tucker in my proposed deal earlier in the thread. Or if they don't want Horford, we can send JRich for Gordon instead and let them keep Tucker.

I took Tucker since he wants out and is causing problems.

[Wilfried]

If it does Houston is dumber than a bag of rocks.

We'll see. Feel that's a better offer than LeVert + Allen + #17 and #19 or whatever BKN can give them more

The Nets would also get Dinwiddie and a million picks

Dinwiddie is not a great player and wants to get paid big time. Question is if Houston wants that.
I would prefer to have J-Rich

And those BKN picks won't be much better than what we can offer

[KKell2507]

Telling you guys.... Tobias Harris/Thybulle/JRich and several firsts is the best Houston will get at this point

Hope I'm wrong

(I'm not /vinosh)

I think Tobias is probably viewed much better around the league than by us. His lack of success here is more due to the situation.

Id agree with that, but I feel even more so that is the case with Al Horford. People thinking we are going to have to attach a bunch of things to these guys to get rid of them, I just dont see that needing to be the case.

Whether any combination of anything we have to get Harden without giving up Simmons or Embiid is another story though. Simmons should absolutely not be on the table though, because I dont think the Rockets are getting any player from anyone else even remotely close to Ben SImmons value.

[Stanford]

We'll see. Feel that's a better offer than LeVert + Allen + #17 and #19 or whatever BKN can give them more

The Nets would also get Dinwiddie and a million picks

Dinwiddie is not a great player and wants to get paid big time. Question is if Houston wants that.
I would prefer to have J-Rich

And those BKN picks won't be much better than what we can offer

Yeah the deal still sucks but you were underselling it.

[Arsenal]

I think people are underrating the value to Houston of Shake Milton and Matisse Thybulle. Them both being under team control for dirt cheap for 3 years is extremely attractive. Whereas these Nets offers come with 1 cheap year for Allen then FA, 1 mediocre year for Dinwiddie ($11M) then FA, and 3 years of LeVert getting paid well ($17M/yr).

When you factor in contracts, then the combined value of Tobias + Shake + Matisse should equal or even exceed the value of Dinwiddie + LeVert + Allen.

[davesilver]

The bidding war is ultimately ours to win, and I think we could do it without Ben.

[sixers_simmons]

I think people are underrating the value to Houston of Shake Milton and Matisse Thybulle. Them both being under team control for dirt cheap for 3 years is extremely attractive. Whereas these Nets offers come with 1 cheap year for Allen then FA, 1 mediocre year for Dinwiddie ($11M) then FA, and 3 years of LeVert getting paid well ($17M/yr).

When you factor in contracts, then the combined value of Tobias + Shake + Matisse should equal or even exceed the value of Dinwiddie + LeVert + Allen.

Preach. I try to be non biased as much as possible, and cannot fathom anyone thinking the Nets offer can approach ours, even without Ben.

[Skates]

Harden is a great individual player, but I would not be paying Anthony Davis prices for him. I'm not sure which players he is a great fit with, he tends to fade in the playoffs a bit and seems to be just a quirky dude (not Kyrie Irving goofy, but not exactly bringing intangibles). If it is Simmons and junk, fine, or Harris and picks, okay, but Simmons and picks or good young players, no thanks.

In Houston Morey chased Harden and then others to add stars, in Philly he has two fundamental building blocks that have been surrounded by ill fitting crap and are still young and despite the bad Ben-Joel fit claims, they do quite well on the court together. He can be choosier here, no need for an all in move that leaves us with no backup plan or optionality. Why have Morey if he will just give the farm away in a trade, Brand could do that all on his own.

[Negrodamus]

I think someone needs to bump up some old game threads from this past year to serve as a reminder that Tobias has negative value, JRich is an overrated role player on a nice contract, Matisse is an absolute zero on offense, and Shake is completely exploitable on defense.

We've reached the part of the offseason where our fanbase has inflated the value of the players they spent an entire year crapping on.

[youngcrev]

I think someone needs to bump up some old game threads from this past year to serve as a reminder that Tobias has negative value, JRich is an overrated role player on a nice contract, Matisse is an absolute zero on offense, and Shake is completely exploitable on defense.

We've reached the part of the offseason where our fanbase has inflated the value of the players they spent an entire year crapping on.

Yeah, but wouldn't we have been **** on Dinwiddie, LeVert, ect if they were on our team? Tobias was Olympic Melo until the shine wore off.

[stormi]

I think someone needs to bump up some old game threads from this past year to serve as a reminder that Tobias has negative value, JRich is an overrated role player on a nice contract, Matisse is an absolute zero on offense, and Shake is completely exploitable on defense.

We've reached the part of the offseason where our fanbase has inflated the value of the players they spent an entire year crapping on.

But the superstar Harden trade package was living and breathing and playing in Brooklyn nightly last season, and couldn't even go .500 in the East lol. And neither Levert nor Dinwiddie are young.

[eyeatoma]

Sounds like Ben for Harden is inevitable at this point.

Read on Twitter

If Harden also wanted to come here, and Morey loves Harden it's happening. Morey talks about percentages and probabilities to win a championship. It increases significantly when you add James Harden over Ben Simmons. Obviously I'd prefer not to trade Simmons too, but if we do, we are absolutely a better team. Get it done Daryl. I wonder why they are waiting on this? Daryl must have some other deals going, and might want to play a wait and see game, until the trade deadline. Only problem is, will Houston blink first and trade Harden to the Nets. I wonder if Daryl has even inquired yet...

[DT RAW]

I think someone needs to bump up some old game threads from this past year to serve as a reminder that Tobias has negative value, JRich is an overrated role player on a nice contract, Matisse is an absolute zero on offense, and Shake is completely exploitable on defense.

We've reached the part of the offseason where our fanbase has inflated the value of the players they spent an entire year crapping on.

So much this.. suddenly our trash is worth harden

[SixthStreet]

I don't think Morey will trade Simmons for Harden. He will try to shuffle around our pieces by bringing a third or fourth team in there to get Houston some of the stuff they want and swallow a bad contract or two via Horford. I think he ends up sticking with the Rockets until the deadline. If they look like contenders they'll keep him and if not put him up for bid at that time.

[stormi]

I think someone needs to bump up some old game threads from this past year to serve as a reminder that Tobias has negative value, JRich is an overrated role player on a nice contract, Matisse is an absolute zero on offense, and Shake is completely exploitable on defense.

We've reached the part of the offseason where our fanbase has inflated the value of the players they spent an entire year crapping on.

So much this.. suddenly our trash is worth harden

But I thought Simmons couldn't beat 90% of the posters in horse? Now all of a sudden now he's a worthy centerpiece in a James Harden deal? ahhhh lmfao

[eyeatoma]

I don't think Morey will trade Simmons for Harden. He will try to shuffle around our pieces by bringing a third or fourth team in there to get Houston some of the stuff they want and swallow a bad contract or two via Horford. I think he ends up sticking with the Rockets until the deadline. If they look like contenders they'll keep him and if not put him up for bid at that time.

Morey plays the percentages. He has to know there is the risk of not getting Harden.

[cool93]

You all should stop this nonsence about worst contracts in the league for legit top7 player. It's Simmons or no deal. Now getting RoCo is what can be real.

[sixers_simmons]

I think someone needs to bump up some old game threads from this past year to serve as a reminder that Tobias has negative value, JRich is an overrated role player on a nice contract, Matisse is an absolute zero on offense, and Shake is completely exploitable on defense.

We've reached the part of the offseason where our fanbase has inflated the value of the players they spent an entire year crapping on.

So much this.. suddenly our trash is worth harden

It’s our ‘trash’ vs the Nets ‘trash’. Ours is far superior.

[Negrodamus]

I think someone needs to bump up some old game threads from this past year to serve as a reminder that Tobias has negative value, JRich is an overrated role player on a nice contract, Matisse is an absolute zero on offense, and Shake is completely exploitable on defense.

We've reached the part of the offseason where our fanbase has inflated the value of the players they spent an entire year crapping on.

Yeah, but wouldn't we have been **** on Dinwiddie, LeVert, ect if they were on our team? Tobias was Olympic Melo until the shine wore off.

The Nets went to the playoffs because of Dinwiddie who was a 20 and 7 player. The expectations were certainly lower since Kyrie played only 20 games and obviously no Durant. Despite being flawed, he was capable of scoring 30+, 40+ in a game in spite of having only role players around him.

I'm not saying the Nets deal is good, and it's certainly not better than any Simmons deal, but it's better than anything starting with Tobias Harris.

[KKell2507]

Simply my curiosity but if the Nets called the Sixers and offered LeVert, Dinwiddie, Allen, and picks to the Sixers for Ben Simmons, would you take it?