Fixing the Mess Pt. 2 Sixers Offseason

[Sixersftw]

You all should stop this nonsence about worst contracts in the league for legit top7 player. It's Simmons or no deal. Now getting RoCo is what can be real.

Bingo. Thats the edge you can realistically get because if Morey can get you Harden w/o Simmons... Go ahead and build him a statue next to Foles.

[cool93]

Simply my curiosity but if the Nets called the Sixers and offered LeVert, Dinwiddie, Allen, and picks to the Sixers for Ben Simmons, would you take it?

Of course not

[Sportfan73]

Simply my curiosity but if the Nets called the Sixers and offered LeVert, Dinwiddie, Allen, and picks to the Sixers for Ben Simmons, would you take it?

God no

[eyeatoma]

Simply my curiosity but if the Nets called the Sixers and offered LeVert, Dinwiddie, Allen, and picks to the Sixers for Ben Simmons, would you take it?

If I could get Harden? No...And not for that either to be honest. Ben can get you a star in return. He's young enough, still has perceived potential. Is a DPOY candidate, and is just starting his contract.

[Negrodamus]

Simply my curiosity but if the Nets called the Sixers and offered LeVert, Dinwiddie, Allen, and picks to the Sixers for Ben Simmons, would you take it?

Nope. But I would do it instantaneously if the Nets called and offered that package for Tobias Harris, JRich, Shake, and picks (if I'm recalling our "yield" correctly).

[DT RAW]

I think someone needs to bump up some old game threads from this past year to serve as a reminder that Tobias has negative value, JRich is an overrated role player on a nice contract, Matisse is an absolute zero on offense, and Shake is completely exploitable on defense.

We've reached the part of the offseason where our fanbase has inflated the value of the players they spent an entire year crapping on.

So much this.. suddenly our trash is worth harden

But I thought Simmons couldn't beat 90% of the posters in horse? Now all of a sudden now he's a worthy centerpiece in a James Harden deal? ahhhh lmfao

He cant and Im talking strictly on other teams value of simmons

[agiaco]

Simply my curiosity but if the Nets called the Sixers and offered LeVert, Dinwiddie, Allen, and picks to the Sixers for Ben Simmons, would you take it?

I thought about the same thing back in the spring/summer and couldn't decide. I don't think so.

[sixers hoops]

I think people are underrating the value to Houston of Shake Milton and Matisse Thybulle. Them both being under team control for dirt cheap for 3 years is extremely attractive. Whereas these Nets offers come with 1 cheap year for Allen then FA, 1 mediocre year for Dinwiddie ($11M) then FA, and 3 years of LeVert getting paid well ($17M/yr).

When you factor in contracts, then the combined value of Tobias + Shake + Matisse should equal or even exceed the value of Dinwiddie + LeVert + Allen.

For me, if I’m Houston, I just want the best player back and the least albatross contracts. From us, it is one of the worst contracts in the league and some backend starters. Thybulle and Milton are really good, controllable players, but ultimately they are low end starters.

From Brooklyn, you get Levert who should ultimately be the best player from either and you don’t have to take Tobias’ awful contract. You get a few late round firsts from either side which should be a wash.

I would love to get Harden without Simmons, but Houston would have to just go brain dead to take that offer.

I hope it happens, but it more seems like the unrealistic package of scraps trades that fans come here and offer for Ben or Joel.

[stormi]

So much this.. suddenly our trash is worth harden

But I thought Simmons couldn't beat 90% of the posters in horse? Now all of a sudden now he's a worthy centerpiece in a James Harden deal? ahhhh lmfao

He cant and Im talking strictly on other teams value of simmons

Omg you're the smartest person alive

[Sportfan73]

Simply my curiosity but if the Nets called the Sixers and offered LeVert, Dinwiddie, Allen, and picks to the Sixers for Ben Simmons, would you take it?

Nope. But I would do it instantaneously if the Nets called and offered that package for Tobias Harris, JRich, Shake, and picks (if I'm recalling our "yield" correctly).

Plus Matisse. I sure as hell would not trade Harris, Matisse, shake, josh, the okc first, 3 of our firsts, and 3 swaps for that. No way in hell

[Negrodamus]

Simply my curiosity but if the Nets called the Sixers and offered LeVert, Dinwiddie, Allen, and picks to the Sixers for Ben Simmons, would you take it?

Nope. But I would do it instantaneously if the Nets called and offered that package for Tobias Harris, JRich, Shake, and picks (if I'm recalling our "yield" correctly).

Plus Matisse. I sure as hell would not trade Harris, Matisse, shake, josh, the okc first, 3 of our firsts, and 3 swaps for that. No way in hell

I guess I'd need "and picks" specified on the Nets end.

[Arsenal]

I think someone needs to bump up some old game threads from this past year to serve as a reminder that Tobias has negative value, JRich is an overrated role player on a nice contract, Matisse is an absolute zero on offense, and Shake is completely exploitable on defense.

We've reached the part of the offseason where our fanbase has inflated the value of the players they spent an entire year crapping on.

You know better than to insinuate that reactionary in game takes are the correct measure of player valuation.

What did the Spurs get for a better, 4 years younger player than Harden in Kawhi Leonard w/1 less year of contract control?

A fake star in DeRozan w/3 years left on his max deal, a couple middling guys, and a 1st round pick.

[XtremeDunkz]

I think someone needs to bump up some old game threads from this past year to serve as a reminder that Tobias has negative value, JRich is an overrated role player on a nice contract, Matisse is an absolute zero on offense, and Shake is completely exploitable on defense.

We've reached the part of the offseason where our fanbase has inflated the value of the players they spent an entire year crapping on.

You know better than to insinuate that reactionary in game takes are the correct measure of player valuation.

What did the Spurs get for a better, 4 years younger player than Harden in Kawhi Leonard w/1 less year of contract control?

A fake star in DeRozan, a couple middling guys, and a 1st round pick.

Eh Kawhi was going through that mystery injury saga at the time.

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[Arsenal]

I think people are underrating the value to Houston of Shake Milton and Matisse Thybulle. Them both being under team control for dirt cheap for 3 years is extremely attractive. Whereas these Nets offers come with 1 cheap year for Allen then FA, 1 mediocre year for Dinwiddie ($11M) then FA, and 3 years of LeVert getting paid well ($17M/yr).

When you factor in contracts, then the combined value of Tobias + Shake + Matisse should equal or even exceed the value of Dinwiddie + LeVert + Allen.

For me, if I’m Houston, I just want the best player back and the least albatross contracts. From us, it is one of the worst contracts in the league and some backend starters. Thybulle and Milton are really good, controllable players, but ultimately they are low end starters.

From Brooklyn, you get Levert who should ultimately be the best player from either and you don’t have to take Tobias’ awful contract. You get a few late round firsts from either side which should be a wash.

I would love to get Harden without Simmons, but Houston would have to just go brain dead to take that offer.

I hope it happens, but it more seems like the unrealistic package of scraps trades that fans come here and offer for Ben or Joel.

You're ridiculously overrating Caris LeVert. Tobias is a better and more reliable player than he is.

[Negrodamus]

I think someone needs to bump up some old game threads from this past year to serve as a reminder that Tobias has negative value, JRich is an overrated role player on a nice contract, Matisse is an absolute zero on offense, and Shake is completely exploitable on defense.

We've reached the part of the offseason where our fanbase has inflated the value of the players they spent an entire year crapping on.

You know better than to insinuate that reactionary in game takes are the correct measure of player valuation.

What did the Spurs get for a better, 4 years younger player than Harden in Kawhi Leonard w/1 less year of contract control?

A fake star in DeRozan, a couple middling guys, and a 1st round pick.

Imma need to see the 4+ time All Star* that we're sending to Houston for James Harden then. Despite being a fake star, he still has the all star resume that only two guys on our roster currently possess.

*Al Horford's AARP ass doesn't count.

[Arsenal]

I think someone needs to bump up some old game threads from this past year to serve as a reminder that Tobias has negative value, JRich is an overrated role player on a nice contract, Matisse is an absolute zero on offense, and Shake is completely exploitable on defense.

We've reached the part of the offseason where our fanbase has inflated the value of the players they spent an entire year crapping on.

You know better than to insinuate that reactionary in game takes are the correct measure of player valuation.

What did the Spurs get for a better, 4 years younger player than Harden in Kawhi Leonard w/1 less year of contract control?

A fake star in DeRozan, a couple middling guys, and a 1st round pick.

Imma need to see the 4+ time All Star* that we're sending to Houston for James Harden then. Despite being a fake star, he still has the all star resume that only two guys on our roster currently possess.

*Al Horford's AARP ass doesn't count.

Every single advanced stat has shown DeRozan to be a net negative player for virtually his entire career. He's the epitome of empty stats. His "4 all-stars" is nothing but a tribute to the atrociousness of the Eastern Conference.

[FireMorey]

If the Sixers don't trade for Harden, the fans who are against it(for Simmons) would change their tune by January 1st once they realize the team still can't score, still has no elite level shot creation/shooting, and Doc Rivers doesn't magically fix all their issues. I feel a contingent of the Sixers fan base tends to overrate their own. All during summer 2019 you heard that Josh Richardson would become an all-star, Tobias Harris would thrive given the role of "go to scorer" and Simmons would finally start shooting. None of it happened.

Daryl Morey is a top level executive, but he's not a magician. He's not going to be able to find complimentary pieces capable of propelling them to a championship to put around Simmons and Embiid with the situation the Sixers are in. It's not happening. They don't have the cap room or tradeable assets to get any. The only way the Sixers were going to become a title contender is if a top 5 NBA player both became available and wanted to play in Philly. That has happened.

If the Sixers balk at this opportunity(assuming they have the pieces Houston wants) they will regret it for years. Simmons and Embiid don't fit well together, one of them was always going to have to move on for the Sixers to get to the next level, with the situation they've boxed themselves in. Harden is a once in a generation chance to get an all-time great. Morey must do this, and once he's scoring 30+ a night and making Embiid better by spacing the floor, no Sixers fan will regret it.

No brainer.

[sixers hoops]

You all should stop this nonsence about worst contracts in the league for legit top7 player. It's Simmons or no deal. Now getting RoCo is what can be real.

Not sure if it’s realistic but I would love to add Tobias to Ben and try to get Roco back.

Dump an awful contract and get back an unbelievable contract in Roco.

[youngcrev]

I think someone needs to bump up some old game threads from this past year to serve as a reminder that Tobias has negative value, JRich is an overrated role player on a nice contract, Matisse is an absolute zero on offense, and Shake is completely exploitable on defense.

We've reached the part of the offseason where our fanbase has inflated the value of the players they spent an entire year crapping on.

Yeah, but wouldn't we have been **** on Dinwiddie, LeVert, ect if they were on our team? Tobias was Olympic Melo until the shine wore off.

The Nets went to the playoffs because of Dinwiddie who was a 20 and 7 player. The expectations were certainly lower since Kyrie played only 20 games and obviously no Durant. Despite being flawed, he was capable of scoring 30+, 40+ in a game in spite of having only role players around him.

I'm not saying the Nets deal is good, and it's certainly not better than any Simmons deal, but it's better than anything starting with Tobias Harris.

My point was simply that we tend to view outside players through a much different lense than the ones that are here, so bringing up board opinions on these guys is probably a bit skewed. Evaluations of guys on other teams tends to be more surface level while we tend to hone in on the flaws of our own guys.

I agree that they can probably put together a more attractive trade package if we're unwilling to put Simmons on the table. Let's just hope for a Kyrie tantrum over the idea and that they pull out in the meantime.

[agiaco]

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