Fixing the Mess Pt. 2 Sixers Offseason

[Stanford]

For us, we have the leverage because Harden only wants to play for a handful of teams. We just need to make a more compelling trade offer than BK.

Houston is not obligated to trade Harden to that handful of teams.

[sixers_simmons]

For us, we have the leverage because Harden only wants to play for a handful of teams. We just need to make a more compelling trade offer than BK.

Houston is not obligated to trade Harden to that handful of teams.

Will the other teams give up assets for Harden when he won’t want to play there long term? Unlikely

[ProcessDoctor]

For us, we have the leverage because Harden only wants to play for a handful of teams. We just need to make a more compelling trade offer than BK.

Houston is not obligated to trade Harden to that handful of teams.

Will the other teams give up assets for Harden when he won’t want to play there long term? Unlikely

People said the same about Kawhi, and he ended up in Toronto. We could lowball Houston, but they don't have to take it just because we're one of his preferred teams.

[Mik317]

Ben is both overrated and underrated by this fanbase. Hell most of the players are. We are too close to each guy and see them at their worse and their success means more to us than others...its why dude was in this thread talking up Musa ffs. As with most things in life, the reality is somewhere in the middle. Ben is very talented and most teams would love to have him. He is a guy who can guard 1-5. Is a really great passer. Seems like a good dude despite the bit of hollywood in him. Is still not in his prime and if we are going excuse Embiids issues with "well the team around him doe" then he should get similar benefit of the doubt. All of that does not go away with "but he doesn't shoot doe". Other franchises see all of the other things he does probably because they will have shooters and other shot creators on deck and as always, people always think they can fix people. Ben is frustrating as hell. As I stated in the other thread, I will rejoice at the very least that his fan club who thinks he can walk on water will be gone and yeah Harden and Embiid would ON PAPER crush ****...so whatever...I just think some are too close to be realistic about Ben atm.

[Stanford]

Will the other teams give up assets for Harden when he won’t want to play there long term?

Yes. Top five players in their prime change championship odds.

[Arsenal]

Will the other teams give up assets for Harden when he won’t want to play there long term?

Yes. Top five players in their prime change championship odds.

Again, Toronto didn't give up much for Kawhi. They gave up a net negative in DeRozan who Masai didn't want to keep, plus a mediocre C prospect and a 1st round pick. Hell, Toronto got back a significantly net positive role player also in Danny Green!

Not exactly the King's Ransom people are claiming it will take to get Harden.

[DT RAW]

Heres the thing. Even if we got harden without trading ben, which wont happen but if we did...

Ben is going to **** up the offense yet again even with harden. Ben is USELESS off the ball in thr half court and we DAMN sure better not turn harden into a spot up shooter.

So ben and embiid will continue clogging the paint and now hardens driving to the basket and getting to the ft line is all **** up.

Its like we continue doing the same **** over n over exoecting diff results

Yet the results r all the same, every single offensive stud we think we have ends up wayyyyy less effectivw in philly and theres a giant red blinking cone on the court causing it but instead we continue acting like that useless cone ia suddenly going to be kevin durant at any moment on offense

Even with harden on this team, if ben and embiid are both on the court then harden will be WAYYYYYYY less effective of a player. FACT

Trade bens ass. Im sick of ground hog day every **** year

[eyeatoma]

Heres the thing. Even if we got harden without trading ben, which wont happen but if we did...

Ben is going to **** up the offense yet again even with harden. Ben is USELESS off the ball in thr half court and we DAMN sure better not turn harden into a spot up shooter.

So ben and embiid will continue clogging the paint and now hardens driving to the basket and getting to the ft line is all **** up.

Its like we continue doing the same **** over n over exoecting diff results

Yet the results r all the same, every single offensive stud we think we have ends up wayyyyy less effectivw in philly and theres a giant red blinking cone on the court causing it but instead we continue acting like that useless cone ia suddenly going to be kevin durant at any moment on offense

Even with harden on this team, if ben and embiid are both on the court then harden will be WAYYYYYYY less effective of a player. FACT

Trade bens ass. Im sick of ground hog day every **** year

Ughghg yeah that's entirely possible. Well said. I mean hopefully Doc, Sam Cassell, and a literal brain trust of NBA coaches would be able to figure it out, but yes, completely rational worry.

[Mik317]

Heres the thing. Even if we got harden without trading ben, which wont happen but if we did...

Ben is going to **** up the offense yet again even with harden. Ben is USELESS off the ball in thr half court and we DAMN sure better not turn harden into a spot up shooter.

So ben and embiid will continue clogging the paint and now hardens driving to the basket and getting to the ft line is all **** up.

Its like we continue doing the same **** over n over exoecting diff results

Yet the results r all the same, every single offensive stud we think we have ends up wayyyyy less effectivw in philly and theres a giant red blinking cone on the court causing it but instead we continue acting like that useless cone ia suddenly going to be kevin durant at any moment on offense

Even with harden on this team, if ben and embiid are both on the court then harden will be WAYYYYYYY less effective of a player. FACT

Trade bens ass. Im sick of ground hog day every **** year

You lack a creative mind.

Ben and Embiid has never played with a shot creator their entire time here. That was supposed to be Fultz. Harden also can play off ball some and you can stagger minutes and have Ben run the second unit.

again your hatred of Ben clouds any point you make. You are no better than his stans in this regard.

and guess what if it doesn't work out...we can trade Ben to ADD to Harden and Embiid. In what world is that a bad thing lol

[davesilver]

Will the other teams give up assets for Harden when he won’t want to play there long term?

Yes. Top five players in their prime change championship odds.

Again, Toronto didn't give up much for Kawhi. They gave up a net negative in DeRozan who Masai didn't want to keep, plus a mediocre C prospect and a 1st round pick. Hell, Toronto got back a significantly net positive role player also in Danny Green!

Not exactly the King's Ransom people are claiming it will take to get Harden.

In this sense, I see Tobias <= DeRozan, Jrich <= DG, Matisse >= Poetl. Not to mention that was not a great 1st rounder that Toronto sent at all...

We could top that trade without Ben. I think Harden's value would be much greater though due to the additional years on his contract.

[Stanford]

Will the other teams give up assets for Harden when he won’t want to play there long term?

Yes. Top five players in their prime change championship odds.

Again, Toronto didn't give up much for Kawhi. They gave up a net negative in DeRozan who Masai didn't want to keep, plus a mediocre C prospect and a 1st round pick. Hell, Toronto got back a significantly net positive role player also in Danny Green!

Not exactly the King's Ransom people are claiming it will take to get Harden.

Kawhi had one year left and people were genuinely confused about his injury status. The difference between one year and two is huge. If it doesn't work in the first year and it's clear the player won't resign, you can still trade the player (still top 5) the next year and recoup some of your assets. As Sam Presti has shown, pressure to succeed in other organizations can be used as leverage to get returns for star players. Every year there are GM that are forced to make bad deals to satisfy ownership/star players. You could absolutely trade Harden next offseason, probably for a lot.

[sixers4real]

I love Ben Simmons, I really do.

But I trade Simmons + Horford for Harden + Covington every day.

[Stanford]

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Touchdown, lads.

Vinny beat fl311 to it.

[NBA Moses]

Will the other teams give up assets for Harden when he won’t want to play there long term?

Yes. Top five players in their prime change championship odds.

Again, Toronto didn't give up much for Kawhi. They gave up a net negative in DeRozan who Masai didn't want to keep, plus a mediocre C prospect and a 1st round pick. Hell, Toronto got back a significantly net positive role player also in Danny Green!

Not exactly the King's Ransom people are claiming it will take to get Harden.

Yes and Kawhi was also just 27 y.o. compared to Harden 31. And Kawhi arguably a much better overall player. `

[DT RAW]

Heres the thing. Even if we got harden without trading ben, which wont happen but if we did...

Ben is going to **** up the offense yet again even with harden. Ben is USELESS off the ball in thr half court and we DAMN sure better not turn harden into a spot up shooter.

So ben and embiid will continue clogging the paint and now hardens driving to the basket and getting to the ft line is all **** up.

Its like we continue doing the same **** over n over exoecting diff results

Yet the results r all the same, every single offensive stud we think we have ends up wayyyyy less effectivw in philly and theres a giant red blinking cone on the court causing it but instead we continue acting like that useless cone ia suddenly going to be kevin durant at any moment on offense

Even with harden on this team, if ben and embiid are both on the court then harden will be WAYYYYYYY less effective of a player. FACT

Trade bens ass. Im sick of ground hog day every **** year

You lack a creative mind.

Ben and Embiid has never played with a shot creator their entire time here. That was supposed to be Fultz. Harden also can play off ball some and you can stagger minutes and have Ben run the second unit.

again your hatred of Ben clouds any point you make. You are no better than his stans in this regard.

and guess what if it doesn't work out...we can trade Ben to ADD to Harden and Embiid. In what world is that a bad thing lol

The hell u talking about.. we had butler and simmons made his job and embiids infinitely harder

I lack a creative mind? Plz tell me what an offense with embiid needing to be around the basket to be most effective and simmons who has ZERO actual ZERO half court ability is supposed to do?

Tell me strait up if harden is here with ben that ben wont be in the dunker spot or being left alone in the corner unguarded .. plz dude. For once be real

Or let me say it in a way u may understand

"Be reelz yo"

[fl311]

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Touchdown, lads.

Vinny beat fl311 to it.

[Sixerscan]

Yes. Top five players in their prime change championship odds.

Again, Toronto didn't give up much for Kawhi. They gave up a net negative in DeRozan who Masai didn't want to keep, plus a mediocre C prospect and a 1st round pick. Hell, Toronto got back a significantly net positive role player also in Danny Green!

Not exactly the King's Ransom people are claiming it will take to get Harden.

Kawhi had one year left and people were genuinely confused about his injury status. The difference between one year and two is huge. If it doesn't work in the first year and it's clear the player won't resign, you can still trade the player (still top 5) the next year and recoup some of your assets. As Sam Presti has shown, pressure to succeed in other organizations can be used as leverage to get returns for star players. Every year there are GM that are forced to make bad deals to satisfy ownership/star players. You could absolutely trade Harden next offseason, probably for a lot.

Yeah if Harden basically sits a year old like Kawhi did maybe it gets to this point.

The Spurs also just decided they needed to get an "all star" back for Kawhi. It was seen as weird at the time, not sure you can just assume the Rockets would feel the same (or that they think Tobias is that kind of player).

[sixers hoops]

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Touchdown, lads.

Vinny beat fl311 to it.

We stand corrected lol

[Stanford]

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Touchdown, lads.

Vinny beat fl311 to it.

dont shoot the messenger

[DT RAW]

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Touchdown, lads.

Vinny beat fl311 to it.

Any truth to us trying to get harden? Not the part about not including simmons as thats ridiculous but are we engaged with them?