Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Possible DJ Augustin pg 64

[coolhandluke121]

Because he quit on us in the playoffs this year and encouraged others too as well.

Ah, one of those. Need not say more.

I dont want Hill gone and I support his decision last year regarding the protests but I still don't fully trust him. He has always seemed a little flaky from what I heard and seemed way too comfortable on his farm. Hopefully next year is a new year, but I don't think he is 'win at all costs' type vet.

The guy was great for us last year, but is also 34 years old. He's on a short deal and has a defined role. I don't think people should feel too strongly one way or another.

It's not a question of how good he is in a vacuum though. He's one of the only perfect fits to complement Giannis on the team. Their biggest issues are shooting, decision-making, and poise. Trading Hill just makes all of that worse. I don't see any realistic scenario where trading him is part of the solution, and that's before you even consider the fact that they're likely going to trade the only other rotation-level PG on the team for who knows what.

[Diggr14]

Id trade Middleton, our 1st, and a giant thank you card convertible to a billboard for the city of choice for a top 3 pick.

Middleton at max is not a large asset.

But if the goal is to keep Giannis, you have to trade Middleton for an established player...

Say Bledoe, Middleton, Lopez for Harden/bad contract... and that still wont likely get it done.

[Ruzious]

The top pick? No

He's worth more than the top pick in this draft - easily.

What’s your reasoning on that? Worth more than anyone in the draft just this year, or for the foreseeable future?

This draft is terrible at the top. Ball could very well be the first pick, and he's a terrible shooter with awful shot selection and a bad defender.

[MikeIsGood]

Boy this thread sure took a turn the past hour.

[Ruzious]

Id trade Middleton, our 1st, and a giant thank you card convertible to a billboard for the city of choice for a top 3 pick.

Middleton at max is not a large asset.

How do you not understand that makes no sense? Look at his stats last season - see how he had easily the best season of his career. Look at the Bucks record with him as their 2nd best player by miles.

[DingleJerry]

I've never seen what people ever liked about Avery Bradley. Glad I am not alone.

If it's more or less becomes a swap of Wes for Avery, I think it's a wash. Bradley was probably even a little better last year, plus he's younger and with a history of all-NBA-level defense. Wes can guard bigger players, but Avery can guard quicker ones.

Think that's a good way to look at it. And I'll add it might make more sense if they think the return on Bledsoe will be more of wing/SG type guy rather than PG (even if he does handle the ball a ton) then Bradley can guard the PG and fits that better than Wes would.

[CJTURT]

He's worth more than the top pick in this draft - easily.

What’s your reasoning on that? Worth more than anyone in the draft just this year, or for the foreseeable future?

This draft is terrible at the top. Ball could very well be the first pick, and he's a terrible shooter with awful shot selection and a bad defender.

Considering the money we have tied up in Middleton long term, and how far it’s gotten us to this point, I’d rather have the pick and spend 30$ a year elsewhere

[Bucksfan28]

Re: George Hill. Have never been able to fully trust the dude since that 2018 Finals. Just look at the man's face, he wants NO part of this crunch-time situation. Damn near looks like he's about to cry.

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[Chuck Diesel]

Good riddance Robin Lopez. Really bad signing.

[Ruzious]

What’s your reasoning on that? Worth more than anyone in the draft just this year, or for the foreseeable future?

This draft is terrible at the top. Ball could very well be the first pick, and he's a terrible shooter with awful shot selection and a bad defender.

Considering the money we have tied up in Middleton long term, and how far it’s gotten us to this point, I’d rather have the pick and spend 30$ a year elsewhere

That might be a problem because we wouldn't be under the cap far enough to be able to spend 30 million elsewhere.

[bucksbrewers3]

The top pick? No

He's worth more than the top pick in this draft - easily.

What’s your reasoning on that? Worth more than anyone in the draft just this year, or for the foreseeable future?

I’d personally prefer the potential of a 19 year old rookie with more god given talent but unproven vs a 29 year old second tier player making mid to upper 30 mil for a rebuilding team to be honest. If I’m the bucks no I’m not making that deal and if I’m a rebuilding team I’m also not interested.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Ah, one of those. Need not say more.

I dont want Hill gone and I support his decision last year regarding the protests but I still don't fully trust him. He has always seemed a little flaky from what I heard and seemed way too comfortable on his farm. Hopefully next year is a new year, but I don't think he is 'win at all costs' type vet.

The guy was great for us last year, but is also 34 years old. He's on a short deal and has a defined role. I don't think people should feel too strongly one way or another.

It's not a question of how good he is in a vacuum though. He's one of the only perfect fits to complement Giannis on the team. Their biggest issues are shooting, decision-making, and poise. Trading Hill just makes all of that worse. I don't see any realistic scenario where trading him is part of the solution, and that's before you even consider the fact that they're likely going to trade the only other rotation-level PG on the team for who knows what.

Yeah, I wouldn't trade him to trade him but he does have flaws. We looked old and slow in the playoffs. We also lacked a floor general and don't think Hill is that guy. If we get someone like Bogdan (who takes all of Wes's min plus some), give DDV 28mpg instead of 23mpg, and get Rubio to split the remaining time with Bledsoe, I'm not sure we are arguing on whether or not we miss George Hill come May.... But then again we probably are.

ETA: I know Hill is still super athletic but he doesn't always play that way.

[bdpecore]

20/21 - 33M
21/22 - 35.5M
22/23 - 37.9M
23/24 - 40.4M

Yeah, so atrocious that every good team would love to trade for him if he was available.

It is atrocious. Not sure every good team would love to trade for him either. He's not a max player. If Giannis leaves, we're screwed.
The most any team outside of MIL could have offered him was 4/140. Giannis took less than the max to help the team out. Middleton Kashed in, but he wasn't worth more than 5/150.

Then it’s a thing Middleton didn’t receive a max contract. I also believe you are undervaluing Middleton. He honestly should’ve been an ALL-NBA player this season. Which tells you he is worth his salary.

[coolhandluke121]

Yeah, I wouldn't trade him to trade him but he does have flaws. We looked old and slow in the playoffs. We also lacked a floor general and don't think Hill is that guy. If we get someone like Bogdan (who takes all of Wes's min plus some), give DDV 28mpg instead of 23mpg, and get Rubio to split the remaining time with Bledsoe, I'm not sure we are arguing on whether or not we miss George Hill come May.... But then again we probably are.

ETA: I know Hill is still super athletic but he doesn't always play that way.

Suggest a clear replacement for Hill, keeping in mind that they will also need to replace Bledsoe, and I'm fine with it. I just don't see glue guys like him growing on trees. He's not some athletic D-league call-up with potential who still has to learn the nuances of the game. I think they really need him. I fully acknowledge that he was awful in the bubble though. Not sure how much that's a sign of things to come. Personally I think he plays hard next year to earn that last non-guaranteed year of his deal.

Just saw you had both Bledsoe and Rubio in there. Not sure about that. One non-shooter at PG has proven to be a liability, and that would be two of them. Would rather try DDV, Hill, and Mason and PG and hope you can get a SG with ball skills to make up the difference. I think DDV could start at PG if you had a good passer and shooter like Bogdan at SG.

[bucksbrewers3]

Yeah, so atrocious that every good team would love to trade for him if he was available.

It is atrocious. Not sure every good team would love to trade for him either. He's not a max player. If Giannis leaves, we're screwed.
The most any team outside of MIL could have offered him was 4/140. Giannis took less than the max to help the team out. Middleton Kashed in, but he wasn't worth more than 5/150.

Then it’s a thing Middleton didn’t receive a max contract. I also believe you are undervaluing Middleton. He honestly should’ve been an ALL-NBA player this season. Which tells you he is worth his salary.

He’s more than worth it. And when giannis was out vs Miami he did all he could. He is just not the athlete that most 2nd fiddle to stars are. Not a bad thing if you have the talent that supports that aspect of it. I wasn’t sold on Midds at first but he’s been everything you could possibly ask for especially with his mentality of being a second fiddle guy.

[machu46]

Good riddance Robin Lopez. Really bad signing.

Jokes on you when this is just setting up a re-signing

[thonnisbeastley]

Yeah, so atrocious that every good team would love to trade for him if he was available.

It is atrocious. Not sure every good team would love to trade for him either. He's not a max player. If Giannis leaves, we're screwed.
The most any team outside of MIL could have offered him was 4/140. Giannis took less than the max to help the team out. Middleton Kashed in, but he wasn't worth more than 5/150.

Then it’s a thing Middleton didn’t receive a max contract. I also believe you are undervaluing Middleton. He honestly should’ve been an ALL-NBA player this season. Which tells you he is worth his salary.

2M less per season than the full max doesn't do a whole lot. It's essentially a max deal. Who on the 3rd team would you swap out with Middleton? Again, I'm not arguing that he's not a great player. I just think he's realistically worth $30M/per.

[pifhluk23]

I see I'm not the only one gassing up the tank. We don't have a clear path to improve the team while our competition in the East gets stronger. Prepare yourselves for Giannis trades.

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[awd4cy]

Good riddance Robin Lopez. Really bad signing.

Really felt like a hey let’s sign him just so we can have both bothers.

[machu46]

Good riddance Robin Lopez. Really bad signing.

Really felt like a hey let’s sign him just so we can have both bothers.

I think they expected to have more use for him in the playoffs than they ultimately did.