2020 Draft - Part II

[nate33]

With Phoenix trading Rubio for Paul, they're a bit thin at PG and won't want to ask Paul to log heavy minutes for 82 games. Phoenix will surely be interested in a PG in the draft. If, for whatever reason, Okongwu is gone and we end up drafting Hayes at #9, it wouldn't surprise me if we could flip Hayes to Phoenix in exchange for the #10 plus something else.

[queridiculo]

With Phoenix trading Rubio for Paul, they're a bit thin at PG and won't want to ask Paul to log heavy minutes for 82 games. Phoenix will surely be interested in a PG in the draft. If, for whatever reason, Okongwu is gone and we end up drafting Hayes at #9, it wouldn't surprise me if we could flip Hayes to Phoenix in exchange for the #10 plus something else.

Only thing is, if Hayes drops into our lap I am not sure I'd be interested in moving him.

[nate33]

With Phoenix trading Rubio for Paul, they're a bit thin at PG and won't want to ask Paul to log heavy minutes for 82 games. Phoenix will surely be interested in a PG in the draft. If, for whatever reason, Okongwu is gone and we end up drafting Hayes at #9, it wouldn't surprise me if we could flip Hayes to Phoenix in exchange for the #10 plus something else.

Only thing is, if Hayes drops into our lap I am not sure I'd be interested in moving him.

Depends on the offer.

[WizarDynasty]

With Phoenix trading Rubio for Paul, they're a bit thin at PG and won't want to ask Paul to log heavy minutes for 82 games. Phoenix will surely be interested in a PG in the draft. If, for whatever reason, Okongwu is gone and we end up drafting Hayes at #9, it wouldn't surprise me if we could flip Hayes to Phoenix in exchange for the #10 plus something else.

Only thing is, if Hayes drops into our lap I am not sure I'd be interested in moving him.

I personally don't see anything special about Hayes. He isn't a great shooter or even good shooter. He shoots with a low elbow that does even rise to his eye socket. He doesnt have elite first step. And he cant finish at all with his off hand, especially against contact. . He is going to be very easy to guard without elite off hand ability which literally takes years and years to develop. I Like his hesitation dribble. iHe has a little bit of length but he doesn't finish above the rim. Finally he doesnt deeply dip his hips enough on his jumpers to shift his momentum back on landing which means future knee problems.Pay attention to his lower back arch, he should have his back arches below he begins to rise into his jumpshot. Low elbow means he is going to have low release point and his shot can be easily bothered by short armed defenders. If he does have elite standing reach, he neutralizes it with low release point due to low elbow below socket jumper. There is no way a point guard who isn't an above the rim finisher like Westbrook or shoots the three off the dribble like curry ever be picked in the lottery. BUT AGAIN TO BE MEDIOCRE SHOOTER with uncoordinated elbow, and hecant finish above the rim means he is late teens at best pick probably late first on most drafts.
I never give credit to a playerwho makes a bail out passes when going out of bounds. If he has the option of drawing a foul or passing that's when I give him credit. I dont see hayes drawing fouls and finishing against contact. Dont see unlimited range where he forces defenders to defend way beyond the three point line. An elite first step that forces entire defense to collapse at his will and free up 3 point shooters. Those would make him worthy of 9th overall.

[nate33]

A very positive scouting report of Killian Hayes:

Watch on YouTube

I'd be happy if we ended up with him too.

[prime1time]

With Phoenix trading Rubio for Paul, they're a bit thin at PG and won't want to ask Paul to log heavy minutes for 82 games. Phoenix will surely be interested in a PG in the draft. If, for whatever reason, Okongwu is gone and we end up drafting Hayes at #9, it wouldn't surprise me if we could flip Hayes to Phoenix in exchange for the #10 plus something else.

Only thing is, if Hayes drops into our lap I am not sure I'd be interested in moving him.

I personally don't see anything special about Hayes. He isn't a great shooter or even good shooter. He shoots with a low elbow that does even rise to his eye socket. He doesnt have elite first step. And he cant finish at all with his off hand, especially against contact. . He is going to be very easy to guard without elite off hand ability which literally takes years and years to develop. I Like his hesitation dribble. iHe has a little bit of length but he doesn't finish above the rim. Finally he doesnt deeply dip his hips enough on his jumpers to shift his momentum back on landing which means future knee problems.Pay attention to his lower back arch, he should have his back arches below he begins to rise into his jumpshot. Low elbow means he is going to have low release point and his shot can be easily bothered by short armed defenders. If he does have elite standing reach, he neutralizes it with low release point due to low elbow below socket jumper. There is no way a point guard who isn't an above the rim finisher like Westbrook or shoots the three off the dribble like curry ever be picked in the lottery. BUT AGAIN TO BE MEDIOCRE SHOOTER with uncoordinated elbow, and hecant finish above the rim means he is late teens at best pick probably late first on most drafts.
I never give credit to a playerwho makes a bail out passes when going out of bounds. If he has the option of drawing a foul or passing that's when I give him credit. I dont see hayes drawing fouls and finishing against contact. Dont see unlimited range where he forces defenders to defend way beyond the three point line. An elite first step that forces entire defense to collapse at his will and free up 3 point shooters. Those would make him worthy of 9th overall.

How does a mediocore shooter shoot 90.9% from the FT line?

[dckingsfan]

Only thing is, if Hayes drops into our lap I am not sure I'd be interested in moving him.

I personally don't see anything special about Hayes. He isn't a great shooter or even good shooter. He shoots with a low elbow that does even rise to his eye socket. He doesnt have elite first step. And he cant finish at all with his off hand, especially against contact. . He is going to be very easy to guard without elite off hand ability which literally takes years and years to develop. I Like his hesitation dribble. iHe has a little bit of length but he doesn't finish above the rim. Finally he doesnt deeply dip his hips enough on his jumpers to shift his momentum back on landing which means future knee problems.Pay attention to his lower back arch, he should have his back arches below he begins to rise into his jumpshot. Low elbow means he is going to have low release point and his shot can be easily bothered by short armed defenders. If he does have elite standing reach, he neutralizes it with low release point due to low elbow below socket jumper. There is no way a point guard who isn't an above the rim finisher like Westbrook or shoots the three off the dribble like curry ever be picked in the lottery. BUT AGAIN TO BE MEDIOCRE SHOOTER with uncoordinated elbow, and hecant finish above the rim means he is late teens at best pick probably late first on most drafts.
I never give credit to a playerwho makes a bail out passes when going out of bounds. If he has the option of drawing a foul or passing that's when I give him credit. I dont see hayes drawing fouls and finishing against contact. Dont see unlimited range where he forces defenders to defend way beyond the three point line. An elite first step that forces entire defense to collapse at his will and free up 3 point shooters. Those would make him worthy of 9th overall.

How does a mediocore shooter shoot 90.9% from the FT line?

Because the shots go in the basket?

[WizarDynasty]

Only thing is, if Hayes drops into our lap I am not sure I'd be interested in moving him.

I personally don't see anything special about Hayes. He isn't a great shooter or even good shooter. He shoots with a low elbow that does even rise to his eye socket. He doesnt have elite first step. And he cant finish at all with his off hand, especially against contact. . He is going to be very easy to guard without elite off hand ability which literally takes years and years to develop. I Like his hesitation dribble. iHe has a little bit of length but he doesn't finish above the rim. Finally he doesnt deeply dip his hips enough on his jumpers to shift his momentum back on landing which means future knee problems.Pay attention to his lower back arch, he should have his back arches below he begins to rise into his jumpshot. Low elbow means he is going to have low release point and his shot can be easily bothered by short armed defenders. If he does have elite standing reach, he neutralizes it with low release point due to low elbow below socket jumper. There is no way a point guard who isn't an above the rim finisher like Westbrook or shoots the three off the dribble like curry ever be picked in the lottery. BUT AGAIN TO BE MEDIOCRE SHOOTER with uncoordinated elbow, and hecant finish above the rim means he is late teens at best pick probably late first on most drafts.
I never give credit to a playerwho makes a bail out passes when going out of bounds. If he has the option of drawing a foul or passing that's when I give him credit. I dont see hayes drawing fouls and finishing against contact. Dont see unlimited range where he forces defenders to defend way beyond the three point line. An elite first step that forces entire defense to collapse at his will and free up 3 point shooters. Those would make him worthy of 9th overall.

How does a mediocore shooter shoot 90.9% from the FT line?

Ok Hayes does have some game. I don't think he would be a bad pick, but have one of the worst perimeter defenses guarding against the three ball in the league because we have no length and lateral defense at the starting small forward position and we can't find it in free agency. I think its easier to find a big scoring guard than it is to find a elite length perimeter defender with offensive upside in free agency. But ok, i am down with grabbing Hayes if Achiuwa has mental problems. I like him better than Williams, Vassell, S Bey, Okoro, Haliburton, and Avdija

[nate33]

Ok Hayes does have some game. I don't think he would be a bad pick, but have one of the worst perimeter defenses guarding against the three ball in the league because we have no length and lateral defense at the starting small forward position and we can't find it in free agency. I think its easier to find a big scoring guard than it is to find a elite length perimeter defender with offensive upside in free agency.

You gotta take what the draft gives you. It's just not a great draft for Trevor Ariza style 3&D wings who can guard 1 through 4. The best defenders are either a little too small like Okoro, or too skinny and limited offensively like Vassell.

However, it is a good draft for guards. There's a lot of combo guards and shooting guards, some of whom can play a little SF. We don't have a huge need at that position, but we're not good enough to pick for need. Just take the best player available.

[nate33]

As long as we come away with Okongwu, Halliburton, Hayes, or Okoro, I'm fine. I'd be okay with Achiuwa at #9 I guess, but I'd prefer to grab him in a trade down.

I just don't want to get stuck with Toppin, Avdija or Williams.

[payitforward]

I don't think Toppin or Avdija will drop to 9, but I am definitely worried about us taking Okoro or Williams, neither of whom I like very much (esp. not Williams). Ditto Vassell.

From my point of view, I'll start to worry less about both about the Wizards' future & about how good Tommy really can be in running a franchise when I see us have one really good draft. IMO, we didn't manage the draft very well last year, so I' doubly worried about this year.

[doclinkin]

Tracking workouts. So far it looks like we have worked out:

RJ Hampton
https://sports.yahoo.com/rj-hampton-worked-wizards-continue-185821507.html

Precious
https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/wizards/wizards-work-out-precious-achiuwa-who-could-be-one-their-best-options-nba-draft

Cole Anthony
https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/wizards/potential-lottery-point-guard-cole-anthony-says-he-worked-out-wizards

Who else?

Stix Smith:
https://sports.yahoo.com/jalen-smith-reminds-everyone-just-145309998.html

[doclinkin]

Watch on YouTube

[doclinkin]

Watch on YouTube

Wiseman. Oof. So big and so smooth. I can see multiple teams trying to trade to #1. I doubt he falls.

Maxey's herkyjerk style is so energetic and fun to watch.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

As long as we come away with Okongwu, Halliburton, Hayes, or Okoro, I'm fine. I'd be okay with Achiuwa at #9 I guess, but I'd prefer to grab him in a trade down.

I just don't want to get stuck with Toppin, Avdija or Williams.

We're pretty much on the me page. I'd pass on the guards for Okongwu, Okoro or Achiuwa. Wouldn't mind a G in the 2nd, like Tre Jones, Dotson or Quickley.

[DCZards]

1. Like pretty much everyone here (with the possible exception of WizD), I hope Okongwu is there at 9 and he’s the pick. I can’t remember anytime in recent history where there’s been such a consensus on this board regarding who the Zards should draft.

2. Okoro is my second choice if he’s available. There are big questions about his shooting, but the kid is tough, physical and a beast on defense. He also moves extremely well without the ball, a skill that will fit in nicely with Wall and Beal, both of whom are capable of delivering the pass when Okoro slashes to the basket. Okoro no doubt needs to improve his outside shooting, but from everything I’ve read he's all about winning so I expect him to put in the work. Okoro will have an immediate impact on defense and will raise the intensity of the entire team on that end of the court.

3. Achiuwa and my “sleeper” S. Bey are the other players I’d be fine with at 9, although a trade down to get one of them would be preferable. I’d also be cool with Haliburton.

4. I checked out the Hayes video. He’s nice. He’s very good at creating for himself and teammates, which is something I love in a player. But with Wall, Beal and Brown ahead of him, Hayes will have a hard time finding minutes. And, while Tommy S. may claim differently, I believe that “win now” is very much a priority given that the Zards top two players are in their prime. So I expect Tommy to draft a player who can contribute sooner rather than later and I don’t see Hayes filling that role.

[nate33]

4. I checked out the Hayes video. He’s nice. He’s very good at creating for himself and teammates, which is something I love in a player. But with Wall, Beal and Brown ahead of him, Hayes will have a hard time finding minutes. And, while Tommy S. may claim differently, I believe that “win now” is very much a priority given that the Zards top two players are in their prime. So I expect Tommy to draft a player who can contribute sooner rather than later and I don’t see Hayes filling that role.

I don't think minutes would be much of a problem. Troy would move to full time SF and Hayes would get all the backup minutes at PG and SG. Basically, you need 5 players to man all 48 minutes at PG, SG and SF. Our 5 players would be Wall, Beal, Bonga, Hayes and Brown.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

It’s time for us all to lay our cards on the table. The question is not who do you want but rather who do you think the Wiz will come away with on draft day?

PIF buys the winner a butter beer from Harry Potter World (post Covid of course). I’ll start:

Round one: Vassell
Round two: Pritchard

In case of tie:

UDFA: Diakite

[payitforward]

Happy to buy the winner a beer, but I'm not going to Florida to do it!

Myself, I really don't have a clue about what we'll do.

[doclinkin]

It’s time for us all to lay our cards on the table. The question is not who do you want but rather who do you think the Wiz will come away with on draft day?

PIF buys the winner a butter beer from Harry Potter World (post Covid of course). I’ll start:

Round one: Vassell
Round two: Pritchard

In case of tie:

UDFA: Diakite

Round one: failed trade up for Okongwu who is snatched way earlier than mocks suggest, with a team moving up for the steal. Celtics perhaps. No trade down materializes. Precious Achiuwa is settled on as the biggest upside pick.

Round two: Whomever has fallen that shoots the best 3 ball. Maybe Jordan Nwora I guess. Wait: Daniel Oturu, he gives both defense and 3fgs.

Tiebreak: Wizards buy another 2nd round pick and take Yam Madar or a European that no one has heard about