Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Possible DJ Augustin pg 64

[Gianstoppable]

Why does everyone think Bogdan is a championship caliber move? I haven't watched him play much, so I'm curious. I don't see anything statistically that makes him look like anything other than a Brogdon replacement.

Really solid shooter with better upside with more open looks on a better team. Good energy, hard worker, very nice ball handler plus another international guy for Giannis.

[Mags FTW]

Did anyone put up the BuckPack signal yet?

[Baddy Chuck]

Rubio to Milwaukee
Conley to OKC
Bledsoe to Utah

[LuessiT]

Okay new try, now via CHA instead of NYK:

1)
MIL out: Khris Middleton, Brook Lopez, Donte DiVincenzo, #24, 2024 & 2026 MIL 1STs
MIL in: James Harden, Eric Gordon

HOU out: James Harden, Eric Gordon
HOU in: Andrew Wiggins, #2, #24, 2021 MIN 1ST, 2024 & 2026 MIL 1STs

GS out: Andrew Wiggins, #2, 2021 MIN 1ST
GS in: Khris Middleton, Brook Lopez

2)
MIL out: Eric Bledsoe, DJ Wilson, 2021 & 2025 IND 2nds
MIL in: Bogdan Bogdanovic S&T, PJ Tucker

CHA out: Nicolas Batum, Miles Bridges
CHA in: Russell Westbrook

HOU out: Russell Westbrook, PJ Tucker
HOU in: Nicolas Batum, Eric Bledsoe

SAC out: Bogdan Bogdanovic S&T
SAC in: Miles Bridges, DJ Wilson, 2021 & 2025 IND 2nds

[Rstuedes24]

Okay new try, now via CHA instead of NYK:

1)
MIL out: Khris Middleton, Brook Lopez, Donte DiVincenzo, #24, 2024 & 2026 MIL 1STs
MIL in: James Harden, Eric Gordon

HOU out: James Harden, Eric Gordon
HOU in: Andrew Wiggins, #2, #24, 2021 MIN 1ST, 2024 & 2026 MIL 1STs

GS out: Andrew Wiggins, #2, 2021 MIN 1ST
GS in: Khris Middleton, Brook Lopez

2)
MIL out: Eric Bledsoe, DJ Wilson, 2021 & 2025 IND 2nds
MIL in: Bogdan Bogdanovic S&T, PJ Tucker

CHA out: Nicolas Batum, Miles Bridges
CHA in: Russell Westbrook

HOU out: Russell Westbrook, PJ Tucker
HOU in: Nicolas Batum, Eric Bledsoe

SAC out: Bogdan Bogdanovic S&T
SAC in: Miles Bridges, DJ Wilson, 2021 & 2025 IND 2nds

Wouldn’t GS just cut us out and take Harden for themselves?

[PintSizedBox10]

So does Giannis just not want to play with anyone that may be better then him? He's also an absolutely terrible GM. He's literally handicapped himself by forcing the team to resign Middleton and Bledsoe, saying no to Paul and Harden and who knows who else. Yet the team "needs to make the right moves."

Maybe the right move is shipping him out for a nice package of picks / young talent.

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When was he hired as GM? I must've missed that in the news cycle

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[dbrodz7]

Just watched the Horst press conference from today. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but he seemed pretty composed, confident and relaxed for a guy who has one month to make sure Giannis doesn't walk. That leads me to believe he has something planned.

[WRau1]

I could totally see Giannis not wanting the Bucks to go after other "stars". Wanting to instead play with underrated, high character, high work ethic guys. Other foreign players as well. Pretty much the Dirk Mavs championship path.

[LuessiT]

Okay new try, now via CHA instead of NYK:

1)
MIL out: Khris Middleton, Brook Lopez, Donte DiVincenzo, #24, 2024 & 2026 MIL 1STs
MIL in: James Harden, Eric Gordon

HOU out: James Harden, Eric Gordon
HOU in: Andrew Wiggins, #2, #24, 2021 MIN 1ST, 2024 & 2026 MIL 1STs

GS out: Andrew Wiggins, #2, 2021 MIN 1ST
GS in: Khris Middleton, Brook Lopez

2)
MIL out: Eric Bledsoe, DJ Wilson, 2021 & 2025 IND 2nds
MIL in: Bogdan Bogdanovic S&T, PJ Tucker

CHA out: Nicolas Batum, Miles Bridges
CHA in: Russell Westbrook

HOU out: Russell Westbrook, PJ Tucker
HOU in: Nicolas Batum, Eric Bledsoe

SAC out: Bogdan Bogdanovic S&T
SAC in: Miles Bridges, DJ Wilson, 2021 & 2025 IND 2nds

Wouldn’t GS just cut us out and take Harden for themselves?

I mean they could. Pretty much all of the GS fans I've spoken to are fine with their side of this trade though.

[Gianstoppable]

I could totally see Giannis not wanting the Bucks to go after other "stars". Wanting to instead play with underrated, high character, high work ethic guys. Other foreign players as well. Pretty much the Dirk Mavs championship path.

Basically the Heat nowadays aside from a surplus of foreign players. Get guys that can work together, nobody holds the ball longer than a few seconds mostly. Need to have willing, smart warriors out there. Dont need players that want to stop ball movement in this system.

[humanrefutation]

I could totally see Giannis not wanting the Bucks to go after other "stars". Wanting to instead play with underrated, high character, high work ethic guys. Other foreign players as well. Pretty much the Dirk Mavs championship path.

All that **** goes out the window if you're not winning titles. And Giannis wants to win titles. Besides, Milwaukee isn't the only place he can play that will surround him with the pieces needed to win championships.

[coolhandluke121]

Why does everyone think Bogdan is a championship caliber move? I haven't watched him play much, so I'm curious. I don't see anything statistically that makes him look like anything other than a Brogdon replacement.

In terms of being a championship caliber move, I think it depends on whether you think the 2019 playoffs or 2020 playoffs are more indicative of how close the Bucks are. Personally I think the 2019 playoffs were much more revealing and it's much harder to draw durable conclusions from 2020.

I think Brogdon's injuries alone were enough to justify letting him go. But notwithstanding that, Bogdan has a quicker release and is more likely to be able to hit 40% on higher volume without having to be wide open. He also seems more willing to attempt the long 3's. Brogdon's 2020 season really vindicated those of us who doubted that his slow release and reluctance to attempt anything but the most wide open 3's from right behind the arc would translate to sustained efficiency in the more featured role he wanted.

I also strongly feel there was a little more "get mine" in Brogdon's approach. He pounded the ball more than Bogdan when left to his own devices and he gets some tunnel vision. Better at spamming the two-man game with a big like Monroe early in his career and then Sabonis than as a true floor general keeping everyone involved. Not that Bogdan is a floor general either, but he seems to understand the whole "shoot, drive, or pass right away" principle better than Brogdon. Brogdon's desire to get out of Milwaukee and be the second-rate go-to guy on a lesser team does raise some fair questions.

[humanrefutation]

I could totally see Giannis not wanting the Bucks to go after other "stars". Wanting to instead play with underrated, high character, high work ethic guys. Other foreign players as well. Pretty much the Dirk Mavs championship path.

Basically the Heat nowadays aside from a surplus of foreign players. Get guys that can work together, nobody holds the ball longer than a few seconds mostly. Need to have willing, smart warriors out there. Dont need players that want to stop ball movement in this system.

...and that's why the Heat strike me as a legitimate contender to sign him in free agency.

[BucksFanSD]

We could trade Bledsoe at the trade deadline, but I don't think we can go into playoffs next year with him as our starting pg.

This.

[BucksFanSD]

I think Horst's plan is all shooters next to Giannis, especially at PG. I don't see Rubio in the plans.

[WRau1]

I think Horst's plan is all shooters next to Giannis, especially at PG. I don't see Rubio in the plans.

That would be a bad plan then since Giannis' decision making when pressured is very suspect.

[Baddy Chuck]

I think Horst's plan is all shooters next to Giannis, especially at PG. I don't see Rubio in the plans.

Didn't Horst trade for and extend a non-shooter in Bledsoe?

[Nowak008]

Bucks get
Blake, Simons + #16

Pistons get
Ariza, Zach Collins, Hood

Blazers
Middleton

Use #16 + #24 for a good wing.

No ones giving up anything positive for Blake Griffin in 2020.

I'd take that bet. He only has this year and next year on his deal.

[paulpressey25]

I think he (Bledsoe) has plenty of value as a 3rd guard to a certain type of team that needs his defense.

Milwaukee.

[Chuck Diesel]

I wonder how the Paul deal effects the landscape of the West. Does that make Dallas more inclined to trade for Bledsoe? Does Portland get in the mix? Operating under my belief that Giannis will not be joining Luka's Mavs or Dame's Blazers.