Shams: Jrue to Milwaukee

skones · Post #61 » by **skones** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:17 am

City of Trees wrote:
skones wrote:
City of Trees wrote:Holiday is an upgrade, albeit not at the cost of three 1sts and two pick swaps

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The production across the board, it says differently.
But I like what Holiday brings my team on the offensive end. The eye test leans to Holiday.

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I mean, when all of the numbers, are in front of you, and they're all right next to one another, that's a case of looking like a duck, quacking like a duck, being a duck. When the case to be made boils down to "eye test," because it can't be supported otherwise? That should tell you the move is lateral in nature.

Dr Positivity · Post #62 » by **Dr Positivity** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:18 am

Wow. Never go all in on non all stars

timani · Post #63 » by **timani** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:19 am

Saul Goodman wrote:dying to see the pick details but my god there are maybe 10 players in the NBA you would part with that many picks for.

And Giannis is one of those players. I believe people have to think of it that way.

Post #64 » by **Texas Chuck** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:20 am

timani wrote:
Saul Goodman wrote:dying to see the pick details but my god there are maybe 10 players in the NBA you would part with that many picks for.

And Giannis is one of those players. I believe people have to think of it that way.

yeah its the same as the PG haul last off-season. It wasn't the price for George it was the price for Kawhi and George.

skones · Post #65 » by **skones** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:21 am

The Rebel wrote:
skones wrote:
youngthegiant wrote:Is Jrue even a major upgrade over Bledsoe? Milwaukee overpaid but if Giannis extends then it's probably worth it .

No, he's not. He's a lateral move.

Stats do not tell the whole story, Jrue is better on both ends, but no way is he 3 1sts and 2 pick swaps better especially considering Hill is still a somewhat effective player.

They tell a lot more of the story than the tried and true, "Holiday is better" without any real support that's been consistently trotted out in these conversations over the course of the last couple of weeks. Like I said, this is a lateral move. When it becomes so hard to separate the two, it means "lateral."

blind prophet · Post #66 » by **blind prophet** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:26 am

Player option next season for Jrue

This is a panic fleece move. Wow. Picks or swaps most likely to the 24-25 season.

Post #67 » by **zimpy27** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:27 am

I think Rondo could join the Bucks.
Rondo and Jrue had some really nice chemistry in NO and Rondo fills the need of a half court playmaker.

Dupp · Post #68 » by **Dupp** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:28 am

zimpy27 wrote:Jrue is not the best at facilitating an offense though, this is my main problem with the trade. They needed someone to be able to do that very well.

You’re right in that was their main weakness that leads to giannis’ struggles in the post season. Wonder who they can get that can help that a little. Rondo I guess but spacing could be really rough

Post #69 » by **The Rebel** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:30 am

skones wrote:
The Rebel wrote:
skones wrote:
No, he's not. He's a lateral move.

Stats do not tell the whole story, Jrue is better on both ends, but no way is he 3 1sts and 2 pick swaps better especially considering Hill is still a somewhat effective player.

They tell a lot more of the story than the tried and true, "Holiday is better" without any real support that's been consistently trotted out in these conversations over the course of the last couple of weeks. Like I said, this is a lateral move. When it becomes so hard to separate the two, it means "lateral."

jrue is a better defender, and I think advanced stats show that as well. The offense is similar with Jrue being happier playing off the ball while Bledsoe always seemed better with the ball in his hands. If I were a Bucks fan I would be praying that those of us who think Jrue is better were right, but truth is Holiday not making a big difference for you can help my team in the future so I am not worried enough about it to argue with you.

Post #70 » by **zimpy27** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:30 am

Dupp wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:Jrue is not the best at facilitating an offense though, this is my main problem with the trade. They needed someone to be able to do that very well.

You’re right in that was their main weakness that leads to giannis’ struggles in the post season. Wonder who they can get that can help that a little. Rondo I guess but spacing could be really rough

Haha I think I answered that in the post above. Rondo would be a nice fit, he and Jrue had great chemistry together in NO.

Post #71 » by **codydaze** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:30 am

Read on Twitter

Bogi would be a really nice piece to add to that team. He can handle some of the playmaking and allow Jrue to play more off ball.

blind prophet · Post #72 » by **blind prophet** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:32 am

codydaze wrote:

Read on Twitter

Bogi would be a really nice piece to add to that team. He can handle some of the playmaking and allow Jrue to play more off ball.

We'd just match though right?

They don't have any draft assets to offer now.

Post #73 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:33 am

codydaze wrote:

Read on Twitter

Bogi would be a really nice piece to add to that team. He can handle some of the playmaking and allow Jrue to play more off ball.

So this would be:

Jrue/Bogdan/Middleton/Giannis/Brook

That’s pretty interesting. Matches up really well with Brooklyn and Boston.

Godaddycurse · Post #74 » by **Godaddycurse** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:35 am

blind prophet wrote:
codydaze wrote:

Read on Twitter

Bogi would be a really nice piece to add to that team. He can handle some of the playmaking and allow Jrue to play more off ball.

We'd just match though right?

They don't have any draft assets to offer now.

Is DDV enough of a return for the kings?

Post #75 » by **codydaze** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:36 am

blind prophet wrote:
codydaze wrote:

Read on Twitter

Bogi would be a really nice piece to add to that team. He can handle some of the playmaking and allow Jrue to play more off ball.

We'd just match though right?

They don't have any draft assets to offer now.

Honestly, I would take back Divincenzo rather than match a pay day for Bogi as much as I love him. We aren't going to be competing in the West this year so I'd rather get younger rather than having 35-40 million locked up at SG for the the next 3-4 years. DDV is a solid defensive player too so I think he'd be a nice piece.

skones · Post #76 » by **skones** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:36 am

The Rebel wrote:
skones wrote:
The Rebel wrote:
Stats do not tell the whole story, Jrue is better on both ends, but no way is he 3 1sts and 2 pick swaps better especially considering Hill is still a somewhat effective player.

They tell a lot more of the story than the tried and true, "Holiday is better" without any real support that's been consistently trotted out in these conversations over the course of the last couple of weeks. Like I said, this is a lateral move. When it becomes so hard to separate the two, it means "lateral."

jrue is a better defender, and I think advanced stats show that as well. The offense is similar with Jrue being happier playing off the ball while Bledsoe always seemed better with the ball in his hands. If I were a Bucks fan I would be praying that those of us who think Jrue is better were right, but truth is Holiday not making a big difference for you can help my team in the future so I am not worried enough about it to argue with you.

They don't. Unless Giannis signs the supermax the day it's offered, this deal is a disaster.

Post #77 » by **City of Trees** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:37 am

Godaddycurse wrote:
blind prophet wrote:
codydaze wrote:

Read on Twitter

Bogi would be a really nice piece to add to that team. He can handle some of the playmaking and allow Jrue to play more off ball.

We'd just match though right?

They don't have any draft assets to offer now.

Is DDV enough of a return for the kings?

Who knows.

We have a shiny new front office yet to make their 1st move.

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Baddy Chuck · Post #78 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:41 am

City of Trees wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:
blind prophet wrote:
We'd just match though right?

They don't have any draft assets to offer now.

Is DDV enough of a return for the kings?
Who knows.

We have a shiny new front office yet to make their 1st move.

Yeah idk I guess my only hope as a Bucks fan would be that you like Donte as much as us or that Bogdan on a significant deal doesn't appeal to the team building or asset value of the Kings. I know fans like him but we see **** like that all the time.

blind prophet · Post #79 » by **blind prophet** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:41 am

Godaddycurse wrote:
blind prophet wrote:
codydaze wrote:

Read on Twitter

Bogi would be a really nice piece to add to that team. He can handle some of the playmaking and allow Jrue to play more off ball.

We'd just match though right?

They don't have any draft assets to offer now.

Is DDV enough of a return for the kings?

Cody would take it. But I wouldn't. I hold on to him. So maybe it is close.

kalenclayton · Post #80 » by **kalenclayton** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:45 am

blind prophet wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:
blind prophet wrote:
We'd just match though right?

They don't have any draft assets to offer now.

Is DDV enough of a return for the kings?

Cody would take it. But I wouldn't. I hold on to him. So maybe it is close.

Same here. I’m just not all that interested in Donte unless Bogi is getting some ridiculous money. I really don’t know how a deal gets done without some sort of draft compensation.

Who won the trade?