Bucks acquire Jrue Holiday - Trade done - Bucks 2022 to CLE unprotected

Ron Swanson · Post #241 » by **Ron Swanson** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:33 am

Like, there's no way that any other team was coming close to this kind of offer for Jrue. Unless I'm missing some rumors from the other teams that were linked to him, this is a classic "bid against yourself" move.

But yes, if this is the move that means Giannis signs on the dotted line, then sure, it's the right choice. That doesn't change that we basically gave up the Paul George/Anthony Davis trade package for like, the 31st best player in the league.

VooDoo7 · Post #242 » by **VooDoo7** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:33 am

Lets go Horsty!!!

ajb905 · Post #243 » by **ajb905** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:34 am

It's hard to see the Chris Paul and Jrue Holiday returns and not say the Bucks got absolutely raked over the coals. If Giannis is pulling the strings to get the player he wants, then god bless, as him signing is the most important thing.

But still worries me that the FO had to resort to backing up the brink truck for Jrue, who I like well enough but just don't see how he's going to put the team over the op. Will wait till final details are out and have to let the rest of the off-season play out.

BuckFan25226 · Post #244 » by **BuckFan25226** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:35 am

worthlessBucks wrote:A modest upgrade at starting point. Lol

But when we are in the postseason. It's equivalent to trading a D leaguer who's really good at defense for Magic Johnson.

I don't think it's an exaggeration to say we probably have 1 or 2 championships right now if Bledsoe plays well or at least adequate in the postseason.

Bledsoe's bed wetting in the postseason can't be overstated.

M-C-G · Post #245 » by **M-C-G** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:35 am

skones wrote:I'm irate right now on what we gave up in this deal. If Giannis doesn't sign the Supermax as soon as it's offered, the level of incompetence here is maddening.

For sure but anecdotal feedback has all pointed to him signing long term if management kept trying to build a championship roster. Drafting three times in the late twenties wasn’t going to keep him here.

Horst if nothing else has balls. I’m going to guess Giannis was informed on this one. And I am going to guess he liked it vs acquiring Dennis or Chris

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Post #246 » by **Prez** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:35 am

I'm choosing to view this as a Jrue + Giannis signs the supermax deal and will either be relieved that I'm right or have a nuclear meltdown on here in a couple weeks

Baddy Chuck · Post #247 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:36 am

Ron Swanson wrote:That doesn't change that we basically gave up the Paul George/Anthony Davis trade package for like, the 31st best player in the league.

I missed our SGA/Ingram in the deal. Those guys might be worth those picks alone.

VooDoo7 · Post #248 » by **VooDoo7** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:36 am

RoyceDa59 wrote:Great trade! Wow you could win the title next season.

I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE HERE FOR!!

ReddoverKobe · Post #249 » by **ReddoverKobe** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:36 am

Read on Twitter

El Pooch Grande · Post #250 » by **El Pooch Grande** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:36 am

I for one like the deal. Holiday is an upgrade to Bledsoe and as much as I loved George we can find a replacement, potentially Patty Mills or the like?

The first round picks are meaningless if Giannis stays as they basically will be glorified 2nd rounders. Windhorst reporting tonight that there is warmth growing on the full supermax incoming.

Get ready to party soon Milwaukee

RRyder823 · Post #251 » by **RRyder823** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:36 am

Chuck Diesel wrote:Guys, there is not a chance Giannis doesn’t sign now. You should only be feeling joy and excitement.

You'll see excitement when the ink is on the paper. Once that happens this trade looks great.

Till then though.....

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dbrodz7 · Post #252 » by **dbrodz7** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:36 am

All you people having a meltdown because Holiday isn't a big enough name I've dug up some facts for you.

Real plus minus last year: Giannis 1, Middleton 15, Holiday 22, Lopez 29. That's 4/5 of our new starting lineup.
Playoff career stats: Holiday 17 points, 5 rebounds, 5 assists on 39% 3PT FG.
Bledsoe 11 points, 3 rebounds, 4 assists on 25% 3PT FG.

This is a massive upgrade for next year. Giannis must've given them the handshake agreement and probably Jrue as well. If they get Bogdanovic on top of this, I think we're finally making it to the finals boys.

M-C-G · Post #253 » by **M-C-G** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:37 am

Ron Swanson wrote:Like, there's no way that any other team was coming close to this kind of offer for Jrue. Unless I'm missing some rumors from the other teams that were linked to him, this is a classic "bid against yourself" move.

But yes, if this is the move that means Giannis signs on the dotted line, then sure, it's the right choice. That doesn't change that we basically gave up the Paul George/Anthony Davis trade package for like, the 31st best player in the league.

Didn’t Covington go for two first? Maybe the market is just inflated this year.

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Baddy Chuck · Post #254 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:38 am

dbrodz7 wrote:Playoff career stats: Holiday 17 points, 5 rebounds, 5 assists on 39% 3PT FG.
Bledsoe 11 points, 3 rebounds, 4 assists on 25% 3PT FG.

I'll play devil's advocate here, Jrue hasn't played next to snow plow Giannis against the defenses we've seen.

Nowak008 · Post #255 » by **Nowak008** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:39 am

Chuck Diesel wrote:Guys, there is not a chance Giannis doesn’t sign now. You should only be feeling joy and excitement.

Yea not sure why people are worried anymore. It was always a low chance of him leaving - this seals it 100%

HaroldinGMinor · Post #256 » by **HaroldinGMinor** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:40 am

So we traded a Thon Maker, a DJ Wilson, and a Rashad Vaughn for Holiday? I'll take it.

raferfenix · Post #257 » by **raferfenix** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:40 am

Clippers didn’t care what they had to deal for PG13 since it meant Kawhi was coming as well.

GBBucks · Post #258 » by **GBBucks** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:40 am

M-C-G wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:Like, there's no way that any other team was coming close to this kind of offer for Jrue. Unless I'm missing some rumors from the other teams that were linked to him, this is a classic "bid against yourself" move.

But yes, if this is the move that means Giannis signs on the dotted line, then sure, it's the right choice. That doesn't change that we basically gave up the Paul George/Anthony Davis trade package for like, the 31st best player in the league.

Didn’t Covington go for two first? Maybe the market is just inflated this year.

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Yeah. What a bad year to have to push it all in then.

You want to be able to invest counter-cyclically.

trwi7 · Post #259 » by **trwi7** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:40 am

Prez wrote:If Giannis signs the supermax and we get Bogdan to top it off I will be running naked through the streets of Raleigh. They will write stories about it

"Raleigh man charged with indecent exposure; plans to fight charges by saying nothing was visible due to shrinkage"

Nowak008 · Post #260 » by **Nowak008** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:41 am

BuckFan25226 wrote:
worthlessBucks wrote:A modest upgrade at starting point. Lol

But when we are in the postseason. It's equivalent to trading a D leaguer who's really good at defense for Magic Johnson.

I don't think it's an exaggeration to say we probably have 1 or 2 championships right now if Bledsoe plays well or at least adequate in the postseason.

Bledsoe's bed wetting in the postseason can't be overstated.

Yup. Bud not going to a Hill/Brogs backcourt sooner cost a championship in the Raps series.