Harden wants out of Houston...Do you trade Ben?

[Arsenal]

If I'm Houston, I'm doing what I can to make sure Simmons (or someone like him) is the return for Harden and not three painfully average Nets players. If that means taking Horford and 21 for Covington, I'm doing it. Simmons is what you want here. Someone his age with his accomplishments and team control is rarely ever available.

The Horford+21 != Covington equation is irrelevant.

The most important thing Houston can get from a Harden trade is future unprotected 1sts as late as possible, not a young player like Simmons already in a max deal who can't really get you into a championship window

No offense, but you have ZERO CLUE as to what Tilman Fertitta values most.

[No-Man]

If I'm Houston, I'm doing what I can to make sure Simmons (or someone like him) is the return for Harden and not three painfully average Nets players. If that means taking Horford and 21 for Covington, I'm doing it. Simmons is what you want here. Someone his age with his accomplishments and team control is rarely ever available.

The Horford+21 != Covington equation is irrelevant.

The most important thing Houston can get from a Harden trade is future unprotected 1sts as late as possible, not a young player like Simmons already in a max deal who can't really get you into a championship window

No offense, but you have ZERO CLUE as to what Tilman Fertitta values most.

Sure, he is actually pretty dumb so you maybe right, but I am talking about what objectively is best, we are talking about our perspective here, and trying to be fair, that proposed trade ain't close at all to me

May it work for Fertitta? who knows, maybe, it'd get a big fat F grade if so

[cool93]

We'll see if Harden actually opts out of a $47M/y PO by 22 at age 33, and if he wants out that badly

But still point stands, you wait, offers are gonna be way better than that, and if they take the Nets' deal that's going to include plenty of unprotected 1sts (which are more valuable assets than Ben also btw)

Ben's trade value ain't better than James man, not at all

Well, he declined 50, so I guess you have your answer. I agree that it's smart for Rockets to wait for better offers. But after this seasons deadline his value would be lower and lower. Surely, no one will give you Simmons level player for 1year of 32 year old Harden.
I'm not sure where did you get info about multiple unprotected firsts from Nets, never saw anyone credible report that.

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[davesilver]

If I'm Houston, I'm doing what I can to make sure Simmons (or someone like him) is the return for Harden and not three painfully average Nets players. If that means taking Horford and 21 for Covington, I'm doing it. Simmons is what you want here. Someone his age with his accomplishments and team control is rarely ever available.

The Horford+21 != Covington equation is irrelevant.

The most important thing Houston can get from a Harden trade is future unprotected 1sts as late as possible, not a young player like Simmons already in a max deal who can't really get you into a championship window

No.

An elite 24 year old multi-year all star unicorn is worth ten fold your perceived value of those unprotected first-rounders.

[Rastas]

Embiid has 100% proven over his career that he will probably never be in great shape for a finals run and at best be ok for 2 rounds of playoffs before breaking down.
So this win it now theory would work better without an Embiid as a key part.
But you guys love him , your welcome to embrace Embiid style ball as long you all want.

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[PhillyPhilly]

First round sweep without Ben remember?

I would love to leave this dumpster fire if I were Ben, all you trying to throw him out of the city for Harden, for a quick unreliable championship window with an injury prone big man and a 31 yo ball hog.
Look at the rest of the competition, Lakers, clippers, now the nets and suns.
76ers ain’t gonna get close to winning a title even if we get Harden, all you get is, already demonstrated by Brand last season, wanting too much, too quick and wasting all young and good assets for a mirage, and end up getting no where for the next 10 years.




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Lol he says the Sixers "wouldn't get close even with Harden and Embiid"...then names THE SUNS as competition we couldn't compete with? smh this is getting silly now

Suns with CP3 and Booker could be deadly, don’t forget the streak they had, now add CP3 to that. Or you didn’t know about the trade yet? Lol lol lol


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Yeah...a team that didn't make the playoffs and just added an INJURY PRONE 34 year old pg would obviously be too much for Embiid and Harden

[VDT]

Not even close to enough from the 76ers side

Oh really? Who's gonna beat it?

He has 3 years left on his deal man, Harden has no leverage, if that's the best offer if you are HOU you just keep him, and that's what everyone, Woj-Stein, is saying that likely happens now

Like Horford+21 is not enough for Cov, so you are basically saying that Simmons is a better asset than Harden with that offer

Ben is really good, but Ben has no shot at being truly elite and is already 24, he is the player he is, likely top15-25 the next 4-5 years, never good enough to lead a team

76ers' fans gotta realize that

At this point Houston has to trade him for any real value they can get. Levert,Allen and some late firsts are not real value but Simmons is real value. If they can get even more they should do it but keeping Harden doesnt do anything for them other than destroying team chemistry and making sure that they are going to get even less.

[VDT]

The most important thing Houston can get from a Harden trade is future unprotected 1sts as late as possible, not a young player like Simmons already in a max deal who can't really get you into a championship window

No offense, but you have ZERO CLUE as to what Tilman Fertitta values most.

Sure, he is actually pretty dumb so you maybe right, but I am talking about what objectively is best, we are talking about our perspective here, and trying to be fair, that proposed trade ain't close at all to me

May it work for Fertitta? who knows, maybe, it'd get a big fat F grade if so

Thats not correct though. For the next 3-4 years the Nets are expected to be good. How long in the future do you think the picks are going to be and whats the motivation for the Rockets owner who wants to get money now and not hope to get in 10 years? Even then, the Nets dont have Billie King anymore. They have a competent management, playing on the biggest market. It is very likely that these picks will be non lottery picks.

[kio80]

Lol he says the Sixers "wouldn't get close even with Harden and Embiid"...then names THE SUNS as competition we couldn't compete with? smh this is getting silly now

Suns with CP3 and Booker could be deadly, don’t forget the streak they had, now add CP3 to that. Or you didn’t know about the trade yet? Lol lol lol


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Yeah...a team that didn't make the playoffs and just added an INJURY PRONE 34 year old pg would obviously be too much for Embiid and Harden

Yeah... a team that didn’t make the playoffs couldn’t bounce back and be good? The Lakers missed the playoffs last season, I wonder what happened after that.

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[PhillyPhilly]

Suns with CP3 and Booker could be deadly, don’t forget the streak they had, now add CP3 to that. Or you didn’t know about the trade yet? Lol lol lol


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Yeah...a team that didn't make the playoffs and just added an INJURY PRONE 34 year old pg would obviously be too much for Embiid and Harden

Yeah... a team that didn’t make the playoffs couldn’t bounce back and be good? The Lakers missed the playoffs last season, I wonder what happened after that.

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So Paul and Booker are as good as Lebron and AD??? PLEASE STOP this is too funny now

[Stanford]

You okay, man?

[PhillyPhilly]

You okay, man?

Just loving the comedy on display sir

[76ciology]

You guys didn’t call me for this? Hahaha

I applaud the FO for trying their best to not acquire Harden without Ben.

I think Rox right now knows Sixers has the best offer with Ben.

Rox is bluffing the Sixers by this garbage package from the Nets. Vin is now reporting Celts are now being entertained. This is clearly a bluff.

Sixers is not calling the bluff and are offering non Ben packages. Which could mean trade assets received from any Al or Tobi trades.

Anyway, I really see Harden with the Sixers next season.

[76ciology]

Will our FO receive backlash if we just quickly trade Ben for Harden? I think they’ll do.

I think they’ll try their best to acquire James without Ben. So when push comes to shove that they need to trade Ben, it will be reasonable because thats the best they can do.

Ben for Harden, i believe, i just lazy. And having Morey to run this ship, knowing the cards of the Rockets, is such an advantage to have.

If it’s EB, he would have already traden Ben for Harden.

[No-Man]

New Orleans broke the market, Houston is going to ask every available 1st and swap for Harden and with good reason

[No-Man]

Oh really? Who's gonna beat it?

He has 3 years left on his deal man, Harden has no leverage, if that's the best offer if you are HOU you just keep him, and that's what everyone, Woj-Stein, is saying that likely happens now

Like Horford+21 is not enough for Cov, so you are basically saying that Simmons is a better asset than Harden with that offer

Ben is really good, but Ben has no shot at being truly elite and is already 24, he is the player he is, likely top15-25 the next 4-5 years, never good enough to lead a team

76ers' fans gotta realize that

At this point Houston has to trade him for any real value they can get. Levert,Allen and some late firsts are not real value but Simmons is real value. If they can get even more they should do it but keeping Harden doesnt do anything for them other than destroyineam chemistry and making sure that they are going to get even less.

has to? sorry what?

No man, and this is James Harden, they are never getting less than that, they are going to ask for the moon obviously

[76ciology]

He has 3 years left on his deal man, Harden has no leverage, if that's the best offer if you are HOU you just keep him, and that's what everyone, Woj-Stein, is saying that likely happens now

Like Horford+21 is not enough for Cov, so you are basically saying that Simmons is a better asset than Harden with that offer

Ben is really good, but Ben has no shot at being truly elite and is already 24, he is the player he is, likely top15-25 the next 4-5 years, never good enough to lead a team

76ers' fans gotta realize that

At this point Houston has to trade him for any real value they can get. Levert,Allen and some late firsts are not real value but Simmons is real value. If they can get even more they should do it but keeping Harden doesnt do anything for them other than destroyineam chemistry and making sure that they are going to get even less.

has to? sorry what?

No man, and this is James Harden, they are never getting less than that, they are going to ask for the moon obviously

Sixers isnt going to trade Ben unless someone offers something close to Ben.

If teams are offering package like what the Nets are offering, Sixers will just drag this.

Sixers know that Rox will lose leverage as this drags on.

[Arsenal]

He has 3 years left on his deal man, Harden has no leverage, if that's the best offer if you are HOU you just keep him, and that's what everyone, Woj-Stein, is saying that likely happens now

Like Horford+21 is not enough for Cov, so you are basically saying that Simmons is a better asset than Harden with that offer

Ben is really good, but Ben has no shot at being truly elite and is already 24, he is the player he is, likely top15-25 the next 4-5 years, never good enough to lead a team

76ers' fans gotta realize that

At this point Houston has to trade him for any real value they can get. Levert,Allen and some late firsts are not real value but Simmons is real value. If they can get even more they should do it but keeping Harden doesnt do anything for them other than destroyineam chemistry and making sure that they are going to get even less.

has to? sorry what?

No man, and this is James Harden, they are never getting less than that, they are going to ask for the moon obviously

Okay, we can give the Rockets tons of picks along with stud players like George Hill and Eric Bledsoe. Deal done.

[Sixteen]

Ben for Harden would be ridiculously short sighted and it wouldn't even make us favorites on the east. Harden only makes sense with Ben and Embiid still here. Tatum lit us up in the playoffs. Trading our best defensive player isn't going to help. Embiid needs to commit to staying in shape before we give up on Ben

[kio80]

Yeah...a team that didn't make the playoffs and just added an INJURY PRONE 34 year old pg would obviously be too much for Embiid and Harden

Yeah... a team that didn’t make the playoffs couldn’t bounce back and be good? The Lakers missed the playoffs last season, I wonder what happened after that.

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So Paul and Booker are as good as Lebron and AD??? PLEASE STOP this is too funny now

Suns are certainly not as good as the Lakers, I was trying to make a point, which you are lacking obviously. Try to debate with a point, like an adult ok? Typing in caps and lols doesn’t help with anything




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