Miami Heat Speculation Thread - 2020 and beyond...

[3ballbomber]

The Bucks just built a slightly better version of last years team. It still has the same exact weaknesses (lack of a go-to half court scorer, lack of half court playmaking) but more talent. Maybe they can out-talent being out schemed but I’m not sold.

Though they don't intimidate me..I think underestimating them a little here. This was a team that was on top of the East last season who just made some significant acquisitions. It was just unfortunate they faced us in the 2nd round, we match up well & have their number. Anybody else & it wld have most likely been Bucks vs Lakers finals. Who knows if they're even done making moves to further bolster their team, since they're def all in for nxt seaso. They do have an even greater shot at the title.

[RexBoyWonder]

I think Bish got to me.

I might be over-reacting, but Looking at the shaping landscape, I think we're in a tough spot.

If we really want to contend BEFORE Jimmy gets too old, I think we should feel desperate to make a big move pretty soon.

If we don't get Giannis or Kawhi ( And both look like long shots right now after these moves) - Harden might be our last option to really contend in the next 3 years. He's the biggest and most available true max player. And still in his prime.

Unless we want to wait for the Herro/Bam/future max player in 2023 - I think Harden has to be our next move.

Try to keep most assets we can around Bam/Jimmy/Harden - And we might have a shot to win it all in the next 3 years. Without Giannis or kawhi - I see no other path if you want to win the ship in next 2/3 seasons.

[dean456]

Why do I feel like the Holiday deal and Bogdanovic trades are to spite Miami knowing that their target was Giannis. Miami have likely been discussing trades with the Kings and New Orleans for one of Holiday or Fox. Miami likely short changed them and they said F it we'll take Milwaukee's offers.

Well, not losing their franchise player might be an option as well, just saying

I don't mean in spite from Milwaukee's perspective I mean from New Orleans and the Kings perspective. I would of thought New Orleans would be far more interested in pairing Herro or Robinson with Zion rather than both Bledsoe and George Hill... If I'm New Orleans I'd take just Robinson over those two any day of the week. Obviously they got good trade compensation but at some point how many draft picks does a team need. I'd much prefer players that fit perfectly with my star.

Just feels like New Orleans were greedy and wanted both plus picks probably and Miami refused so they probably spited Miami by trading Jrue to Milwaukee instead knowing we wanted Giannis. Kings maybe not so much but we have been talking to New Orleans about Holiday for a while now.

[Mos_Heat]

Why do I feel like the Holiday deal and Bogdanovic trades are to spite Miami knowing that their target was Giannis. Miami have likely been discussing trades with the Kings and New Orleans for one of Holiday or Fox. Miami likely short changed them and they said F it we'll take Milwaukee's offers.

Well, not losing their franchise player might be an option as well, just saying

I don't mean in spite from Milwaukee's perspective I mean from New Orleans and the Kings perspective. I would of thought New Orleans would be far more interested in pairing Herro or Robinson with Zion rather than both Bledsoe and George Hill... If I'm New Orleans I'd take just Robinson over those two any day of the week. Obviously they got good trade compensation but at some point how many draft picks does a team need. I'd much prefer players that fit perfectly with my star.

Just feels like New Orleans were greedy and wanted both plus picks probably and Miami refused so they probably spited Miami by trading Jrue to Milwaukee instead knowing we wanted Giannis. Kings maybe not so much but we have been talking to New Orleans about Holiday for a while now.

With all due respect for Robinson, he doesn't have this type of value

[WHITE_HOT_HEAT]

Hope all the Giannis nut huggers can go to sleep now. When he loses after these trades to us again, I'm gonna bring this thread up though for some good ol' schadenfreude..

Our FO usually doesn't take a lot of risks nowadays and values loyalty. It's great as far being a FA destination for players who want to move. On the downside, we can miss out at times when we're not aggressive enough. I'll be happy with internal improvement and a few upgrades even if we miss out on Harden. The Jrue trade stings.. but 3 FRPs is too much.

No to Giannis and other 1D players (No Wes Matthews). Our roster doesn't allow us to have too many 1D players.

[IggieCC]

I think Bish got to me.

I might be over-reacting, but Looking at the shaping landscape, I think we're in a tough spot.

If we really want to contend BEFORE Jimmy gets too old, I think we should feel desperate to make a big move pretty soon.

If we don't get Giannis or Kawhi ( And both look like long shots right now after these moves) - Harden might be our last option to really contend in the next 3 years. He's the biggest and most available true max player. And still in his prime.

Unless we want to wait for the Herro/Bam/future max player in 2023 - I think Harden has to be our next move.

Try to keep most assets we can around Bam/Jimmy/Harden - And we might have a shot to win it all in the next 3 years. Without Giannis or kawhi - I see no other path if you want to win the ship in next 2/3 seasons.

Most importantly, we have to keep Harden from joining the Nets or the 6ers. Either team will instantly become a direct threat to Jimmy's championship window (next 2-3 years) Wonder Boy

[twix2500]

Jrue Holiday and Bogdan is a huge addition to the Bucks. However, the failures of the Bucks rely on Giannis. If he doesnt evolve his game where he can not be schemed out it doesnt matter who the Bucks trade for.

To say they gave up too much for Jrue, the Heat gave two first rounders for Dragic. Jrue is a better player than Dragic ever was. And Jrue will likely play his best ball this season now that he has motivation to ball out.

[RexBoyWonder]

Jrue Holiday and Bogdan is a huge addition to the Bucks. However, the failures of the Bucks rely on Giannis. If he doesnt evolve his game where he can not be schemed out it doesnt matter who the Bucks trade for.

To say they gave up too much for Jrue, the Heat gave two first rounders for Dragic. Jrue is a better player than Dragic ever was. And Jrue will likely play his best ball this season now that he has motivation to ball out.

Bucks gave 3 first rounders + 2 pick swaps + decent players. Then Jrue is going to demand the max at age 32 and they will have to pay up.

If Giannis walks, It's probably one of the biggest overpays in NBA history.

They were desperate and acted like it.

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Do NOT give Gallo a guaranteed second year.

Can't risk losing Giannis/Kawhi/Max pace if he gets hurt and we can't move him.

lmao that video is amazing

[dean456]

The Bucks just built a slightly better version of last years team. It still has the same exact weaknesses (lack of a go-to half court scorer, lack of half court playmaking) but more talent. Maybe they can out-talent being out schemed but I’m not sold.

Though they don't intimidate me..I think underestimating them a little here. This was a team that was on top of the East last season who just made some significant acquisitions. It was just unfortunate they faced us in the 2nd round, we match up well & have their number. Anybody else & it wld have most likely been Bucks vs Lakers finals. Who knows if they're even done making moves to further bolster their team, since they're def all in for nxt seaso. They do have an even greater shot at the title.

Yeah I agree, Milwaukee just improved quite a lot. Now they are far more balanced talent wise and improved in the two positions they were weakest.

Holiday's last playoff run he averaged 23.7ppg, 5.7rpg, 6.3apg, 1.1spg shooting 51% and 32% from 3.
Bledsoe last playoffs he averaged 11.7ppg, 4.6rpg, 5.9apg, 1.2spg shooting 38% and 25% from 3.

Matthews just came off a 7.4ppg, 2.5rpg, 1.4apg, 0.6spg season
Bogdanovic just averaged 15.6ppg, 3.4rpg, 3.4apg, 1.0spg season shooting 37% from 3 while making almost twice as many 3's as Matthews.

Holiday is also a year younger than Bledsoe and Bogdonavic is 6 years younger than Matthews

Also Bucks don't need a go to scorer they only need competent players surrounding Giannis. It's going to be much harder for a team like ours to load up on Giannis forcing his other team mates to beat us when he now that has 4 good options on the floor with him rather than only 2. Middleton scorched us averaging 25.6ppg for a reason in the playoffs.

[IggieCC]

Yikes

trading multiple FRPs is getting out of control

[twix2500]

Giannis walks it nothing matters. I'm sure they discussed all of this with Giannis

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[RexBoyWonder]

I think Bish got to me.

I might be over-reacting, but Looking at the shaping landscape, I think we're in a tough spot.

If we really want to contend BEFORE Jimmy gets too old, I think we should feel desperate to make a big move pretty soon.

If we don't get Giannis or Kawhi ( And both look like long shots right now after these moves) - Harden might be our last option to really contend in the next 3 years. He's the biggest and most available true max player. And still in his prime.

Unless we want to wait for the Herro/Bam/future max player in 2023 - I think Harden has to be our next move.

Try to keep most assets we can around Bam/Jimmy/Harden - And we might have a shot to win it all in the next 3 years. Without Giannis or kawhi - I see no other path if you want to win the ship in next 2/3 seasons.

Spoiler:

Most importantly, we have to keep Harden from joining the Nets or the 6ers. Either team will instantly become a direct threat to Jimmy's championship window (next 2-3 years) Wonder Boy

Honestly I hate it. Hate it.

But it looks like in this era, there's no more "long term" plans.

Everything works in 2-3 years windows.

All the elite players are constantly on the move or in flight risk mode, If you're good you better go all in soon, if you're not that good you better tank. stars dictating where they're willing to get traded to, contracts are so short you can't really keep your home grown talent for meaningful period, the entire league is in constant re-Shuffle and it's basically a game of musical chairs - can you glue together 2-3 stars for a couple of years? preferably 3 stars in their primes.

LA bought an instant pudding championship because they went all in on 2 superstars in their primes, and nothing else mattered.

We have Jimmy and Bam, one late prime and 1 entering his prime - since everything is instant team building in 2 years windows now - might as well go after the best available in prime star - which is Harden.

[Miami590]

If we really want to make some noise this year ad not give up on 2021 we cans re-sign Dragic and Crowder, sign Galo and do a s&t for Ibaka(only one year would have to be guarantee. This would make us a hard capped team but we can easily shed some salary by getting rid of KO and Iggy and sweetening it with Nunn and/or the #20 pick.

Ibaka
Bam, Gallo
Butler, Crowder
Robinson
Herro, Dragic

[twix2500]

Jrue Holiday and Bogdan is a huge addition to the Bucks. However, the failures of the Bucks rely on Giannis. If he doesnt evolve his game where he can not be schemed out it doesnt matter who the Bucks trade for.

To say they gave up too much for Jrue, the Heat gave two first rounders for Dragic. Jrue is a better player than Dragic ever was. And Jrue will likely play his best ball this season now that he has motivation to ball out.

Bucks gave 3 first rounders + 2 pick swaps + decent players. Then Jrue is going to demand the max at age 32 and they will have to pay up.

If Giannis walks, It's probably one of the biggest overpays in NBA history.

They were desperate and acted like it.

Its about winning a chip, that is all that matters. The Bucks have a MVP player, you build around him as much as possible. This is their oppurtunity to win a chip. After Giannis they may be the Orlando Magic for the next 15 years. If Giannis signs the supermax, then who cares how old Jrue is. They can reload again and again and again until Giannis is done. Jrue and Middleton are legit two costars.

Dragic was younger than Jrue but it didnt matter because Bosh got sick. The Heat would had very little success without Butler on this team. Its a star driven league, you find the star then build around him as much as possible. Casual fans are not like me and you Rex. We will watch the gleague to see a player develop as entertainment. Youth doesnt win in this league. We keep falling for it every year around the league. The young bulls, the young lakers, the young thunder. The Thunder at least had that dude in Durant and didnt take advantage of the time they had him. Stars win in their prime. Giannis is about to hit his prime years. If they lock him up for the Supermax, a draft pick at 25 and up is not gonna be a game changer.

Unfortunately Bledsoe was nothing but a role player so was Hill. Role players come and go, do not be like 76ers and cripple the franchise over role players. Hell do not be like the Heat who crippled themselves with giving Whiteside star money when he was just a role player. Timberwolves were praised for getting role players in Covington and Sario for a star in his prime. All that did was put them in the lotto again. Don't you think the wolves rather have Butler over Sario, Covington, Wiggins youth and their lotto picks?


The Bucks for the next two years all they have to do is find the right role players and system that maximizes Giannis, Jrue and Middleton. Even it is a task, finding the right role players who complement the go too players is the easiest part of the process.

[DayofMourning]

Gallo to the Bucks?

[twix2500]

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Oladipo trade value should dip more and more. I think VO can be had easily like Dennis Schroder. Not sure what Heat know personally about VO. But I think the time is about right. Nunn and KO for VO and a 2ND rounder

[HeatingUp3]

Bucks have no bench now that i think about that.

[DayofMourning]

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Oladipo trade value should dip more and more. I think VO can be had easily like Dennis Schroder. Not sure what Heat know personally about VO. But I think the time is about right. Nunn and KO for VO and a 2ND rounder

During the bubble, I inquired on the Pacers board about Oladipos value. They had him dubbed as a super max player and one you get significant trade value for. I stated that Nunn and 20 was the best we could realistically offer as our other assets were too good to move for him. Was told 28 other teams would be chomping at the bit to get him and beat that offer. What a difference a month makes.

[twix2500]

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Oladipo trade value should dip more and more. I think VO can be had easily like Dennis Schroder. Not sure what Heat know personally about VO. But I think the time is about right. Nunn and KO for VO and a 2ND rounder

During the bubble, I inquired on the Pacers board about Oladipos value. They had him dubbed as a super max player and one you get significant trade value for. I stated that Nunn and 20 was the best we could realistically offer as our other assets were too good to move for him. Was told 28 other teams would be chomping at the bit to get him and beat that offer. What a difference a month makes.

It was too much noise he wanted out, preferably Miami. Combined with rehabbing and his pending free agency coming up. Then his body language and lack of motivation in the bubble.

I know everyone wants to keep Robinson and Herro. That is why I pushed for VO and Schroder because I think those the players that can be had and not lose Robinson or Herro