Bucks land Bogdan [Woj]

[SNPA]

And I don’t want to hear about S&T’s aren’t fair value...ok then sign Bogi and trade him for fair value at the deadline. It’s not complicated. Such a dumb argument.

Which kind of gun would be best to point at him when forcing him to sign with your team, 9mm or .357 mag?

18milRFA

[SNPA]

Not a fan of the pick value without context. Trades are made in context.

Bucks need Bogi (to get Giannis to sign) more than the King’s need to not match an offer (and trade him later).

Well, if the whole idea that you lost value is based off an idea of leverage that you concocted, versus actual value, then there is an another alternative. The world just didn't go along with your leverage idea.

No. McNair lost on value. That’s clear. Maybe he is positioning for a larger strategy, we will see.

Also, he lost on leverage too. Bucks had none. He had some.

[SNPA]

Would you have done Bogdan for a 1st rounder at 24 this year? 20? What is the value you are putting on him, versus DD?

Bucks just trade 3 FRP’s and 2 swaps for Jrue. I would have demand one of those picks. Could have slid an average 2nd to Mil if needed to balance out.

Bogi is a stud. He makes them significantly better, especially in clutch moments. Kings lost on value. And again, I like DDV.

In today's NBA isn't losing value synonymous with Sign and Trades.

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And this is an argument for signing and trading him?

[HartfordWhalers]

Not a fan of the pick value without context. Trades are made in context.

Bucks need Bogi (to get Giannis to sign) more than the King’s need to not match an offer (and trade him later).

Well, if the whole idea that you lost value is based off an idea of leverage that you concocted, versus actual value, then there is an another alternative. The world just didn't go along with your leverage idea.

No. McNair lost on value. That’s clear. Maybe he is positioning for a larger strategy, we will see.

Also, he lost on leverage too. Bucks had none. He had some.

So, to review: You won't say what Bogdan's value was, but it must have been higher?
Kings had leverage and the other team didn't.

I think the first one prevents meaningful conversation.

I think the second one is one of the most common claims of those seeking unbalanced trades on here all the time, and, while it helps support a biased home team view of a potential trade, it tends to over and over and over again, not match reality. Which instead of causing a rethink of this idea that their team should have gotten more than its fair share, instead is used just to say they got hosed.

I will leave you to lament your team's poor gm'ing.

[City of Trees]

Bucks just trade 3 FRP’s and 2 swaps for Jrue. I would have demand one of those picks. Could have slid an average 2nd to Mil if needed to balance out.

Bogi is a stud. He makes them significantly better, especially in clutch moments. Kings lost on value. And again, I like DDV.

In today's NBA isn't losing value synonymous with Sign and Trades.

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And this is an argument for signing and trading him?

The argument is
1) Bogdan doesn't fit the Fox/Bagley timeline
2) Kings cap situation truly cannot afford another large negative value deal to go along with Barnes and Buddy.
3) It was always easier to trade Bogi instead of Buddy

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[SNPA]

Well, if the whole idea that you lost value is based off an idea of leverage that you concocted, versus actual value, then there is an another alternative. The world just didn't go along with your leverage idea.

No. McNair lost on value. That’s clear. Maybe he is positioning for a larger strategy, we will see.

Also, he lost on leverage too. Bucks had none. He had some.

So, to review: You won't say what Bogdan's value was, but it must have been higher?
Kings had leverage and the other team didn't.

I think the first one prevents meaningful conversation.

I think the second one is one of the most common claims of those seeking unbalanced trades on here all the time, and, while it helps support a biased home team view of a potential trade, it tends to over and over and over again, not match reality. Which instead of causing a rethink of this idea that their team should have gotten more than its fair share, instead is used just to say they got hosed.

I will leave you to lament your team's poor gm'ing.

Lol. I gave what I think his value is in this context. You just want a draft pick without context because that’s better for meaningful conversation somehow?

And if you can’t see the leverage difference here with trying to please Giannis to get him to sign then ok, but trying to explain how it doesn’t exist borders on gaslighting.

[ThatBoyNick]

Bucks are going to love Bogdan.

He's a lot like Brogdon, just with less r.

[SNPA]

In today's NBA isn't losing value synonymous with Sign and Trades.

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And this is an argument for signing and trading him?

The argument is
1) Bogdan doesn't fit the Fox/Bagley timeline
2) Kings cap situation truly cannot afford another large negative value deal to go along with Barnes and Buddy.
3) It was always easier to trade Bogi instead of Buddy

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1-not a reason by itself to lose value on a trade
2-how would it be negative value if multiple teams with cap are willing to give it to him?
3-again, not a reason by itself to lose value on a trade

[OGSactownballer]

In today's NBA isn't losing value synonymous with Sign and Trades.

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And this is an argument for signing and trading him?

The argument is
1) Bogdan doesn't fit the Fox/Bagley timeline
2) Kings cap situation truly cannot afford another large negative value deal to go along with Barnes and Buddy.
3) It was always easier to trade Bogi instead of Buddy

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Going to add some to this.

While value back in a S and T is often less you need to look at things here that make sense to me from Kings perspective.

Bogi is the superior offensive shooter and playmaker. I see DDV as a better defender and more athletic. We need that.

I also see D J as a better upside prospect than JJ so technically it’s a reset on that pick.

Ersan is a proven commodity and expiring and is a possible trade chip to a contender at the deadline for a young prospect or a pick.

And finally Bogi is one of Vlade’s guys who had the good fortune of being in a thin FA year so is going to be paid more than he is worth to us. And the new GM will want to make the team into his vision.

All in all I’m good with this trade.

[kb02]

I wanted DDV + 24, but assumed Hill or Bledsoe would need to come back. So as is, think DDV for Bogi is fair. Not great. Bucks get the better player. KINGS get the younger player, but don’t have to to absorb the ill fitting longer contract.

[FutureKnicksGM]

Steal for the bucks.

[nolang1]

In today's NBA isn't losing value synonymous with Sign and Trades.

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And this is an argument for signing and trading him?

The argument is
1) Bogdan doesn't fit the Fox/Bagley timeline
2) Kings cap situation truly cannot afford another large negative value deal to go along with Barnes and Buddy.
3) It was always easier to trade Bogi instead of Buddy

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The argument is that DiVincenzo would be somewhere around 10th-15th in a redraft of 2018 and is likely to be better than the 25th pick in 2021 or whatever they'd get for trading Bogdan at the deadline.

[LightTheBeam]

In today's NBA isn't losing value synonymous with Sign and Trades.

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And this is an argument for signing and trading him?

The argument is
1) Bogdan doesn't fit the Fox/Bagley timeline
2) Kings cap situation truly cannot afford another large negative value deal to go along with Barnes and Buddy.
3) It was always easier to trade Bogi instead of Buddy

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I think its a strong possibility that at least Buddy gets traded. Wouldn't be surprised to see everyone except Bagley and Fox gone (leaning towards us keeping Holmes, young/cheap enough).

Monte told us the plan. Flexibility.

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[Buzzard]

Bogan and Jrue in one night. Given what players were available, the Bucks could not have done much better. I see now why they did not try hard to beat the Lakers offer for Schroeder.

[Resistance]

........................2020-21...........2021-22............2022-23..
Eric Bledsoe.......$16,875,000......$18,125,000.....$19,375,000
................................................................$3,900,000 - Partial Guarantee
George Hil..........$9,590,602......$10,047,297....................


I have New Orleans getting at least one of the first round picks for taking Bledsoe's contract.



..........................2020-21...........2021-22............2022-23..
Ersan İlyasova.......$7,000,000..........................................
D.J. Wilson..........$4,548,280..........................................
Donte DiVincenzo...$3,044,160.......$4,675,830.....................


With Fox needing a new contract, McNair might have decided on financial flexibility rather than getting a first round pick and having to work around Bledsoe's contract over the next several seasons while he renovates the roster. It does give the vibe that the market for Hield is soft at the moment and McNair would rather not sacrifice asset(s) to move him.

If things turn favorable in the future for moving Hield and/or Barnes, McNair could have some cap space to work with and take a bad contract for compensation which would then be simiilar to what New Orleans did by taking Bledsoe's contract.

[drchaos]

My hat is off to the Bucks.

Good offseason so far.

[BlazersBroncos]

I knew SAC wasnt going to pay two non-elite SG's that money. The should have paid BB rather than Buddy to begin with IMO. Still, not a bad haul. DDV has elite role player potential.

[Laimbeer]

So Bogdan went cheaper than RoCo? This one is a steal for the Bucks.

[R-DAWG]

This feels better than the Holiday deal and I loved Donte. The timing of the announcement is very odd though.

Before this all started would you have signed up to get Holiday and Bogdonovic for 3 FRP's, Donte, Bledsoe, Hill, DJ Wilson and Irsan Ilyasova? Because in my mind your overpaid for Holiday but underpaid for Boddonovic.

And here's the thing, you need to assume Giannis was onboard, and if he resigns, they have next offseason to add a tax payer mid level player and first round pick (potential trade bait) to make this team 7-deep.

As it stands now - Holiday-Bogdonovic-Middleton-Giannis-Lopez is a damn good starting 5.

[Scoot McGroot]

This move is a loss on value. Maybe it makes some sense in a grander plan he has that we will see unfold but in isolation the Bucks win this deal.

Would you have done Bogdan for a 1st rounder at 24 this year? 20? What is the value you are putting on him, versus DD?

Bucks just trade 3 FRP’s and 2 swaps for Jrue. I would have demand one of those picks. Could have slid an average 2nd to Mil if needed to balance out.

Bogi is a stud. He makes them significantly better, especially in clutch moments. Kings lost on value. And again, I like DDV.

You’re too late. They already traded those picks to Nola. If you wanted them, you’d have to have gotten in ahead of Nola, but you wouldn’t also get DDV, in all likelihood.