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2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2

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Re: 2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#1501 » by TheAlchemist » Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:35 am

I'm trading 3-4 first round draft picks (protected) with Lowry , Powell and Davis for James Harden and PJ Tucker.

Then re-signing FVV. Giannis dream is dead and I think this makes us the best team in the east, if we retain Fred.

Fred / ?
James Harden / Thomas
OG / PJ
Siakam / RHJ
Ibaka / ?

A couple of trades away from solidifying this team.
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Post#1502 » by ash_k » Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:29 pm

with the GiannisDream thatneverwas DEAD. Harden will not happen either
Only realistic trade to improve us (back to my original-no picks involved)
GSW:Horford
Phil: Kyle
Raps: Wiggins

Re-Sign Fred, Serge and Mark. Fred becomes the full-time general, leader of the Franchise, Andrew gives us the 20pts scorer that Pascal needs!. Top 3 Defense with:
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Post#1503 » by tecumseh18 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:44 pm

TheAlchemist wrote:I'm trading 3-4 first round draft picks (protected) with Lowry , Powell and Davis for James Harden and PJ Tucker.

Then re-signing FVV. Giannis dream is dead and I think this makes us the best team in the east, if we retain Fred.

Fred / ?
James Harden / Thomas
OG / PJ
Siakam / RHJ
Ibaka / ?

A couple of trades away from solidifying this team.


I don't often agree with you, but this is definitely the play. Have to keep Pascal. Don't think it's enough to get it done, but maybe. I've been musing whether I would trade OG with Kyle, but I'd much rather it be Norm. Houston (like the Spurs two years ago) don't necessarily want to trade their disgruntled superstar to the place he wants.

In the preseason games in Japan, TDII was amazing against the Rockets. The Rox commentators said he looked like Russell Westbrook (at least a version that can hit 3s) out there. And Lowry has history in Houston. He played well for them.
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Re: 2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#1504 » by arbsn » Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:59 pm

some S&T options for FVV assuming he's at around 25m/year

BKN for LeVert and Dinwiddie
NOP for Bledsoe and Reddick
CHI for LaVine and Felicio
IND for Oladipo and Leaf
ORL for Aaron Gordon and Birch
DAL for THJ and Seth Curry
DEN for Gary Harris and Barton
HOU for Westbrook (we would also include Norm)
LAC for Pat Bev, Zubac, McGruder
MEM for Valanciunas and Tyus Jones
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Re: 2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#1505 » by gerrit4 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:02 pm

TheAlchemist wrote:I'm trading 3-4 first round draft picks (protected) with Lowry , Powell and Davis for James Harden and PJ Tucker.

Then re-signing FVV. Giannis dream is dead and I think this makes us the best team in the east, if we retain Fred.

Fred / ?
James Harden / Thomas
OG / PJ
Siakam / RHJ
Ibaka / ?

A couple of trades away from solidifying this team.


If we could make that trade, I'd jump for joy. But that's a pretty similar package to what the Bucks just gave up for Jrue Holiday.

Lowry is awesome, but 35 and on an expiring deal. Not exactly going to help a rebuilding team.
Powell is good, but probably similar in value to Tucker - so that's a wash.
Davis has no value right now - he just got arrested for domestic violence. I don't think anyone wants to trade for him right now.

So it's basically 3-4 FRPs for Harden, a top 5 player in his prime.

Compared to the Nets (who Harden wants to play for) they can get:

Caris LeVert (injury prone, but a better asset than any of our assets we'd give up).
Jarret Allen - Good young C (for a team that doesn't have a Center).
Spencer Dinwiddie (starting PG on a decent deal)
This years #19, 2 more FRP, 2 pick swaps.

That deal blows ours out of the water, and gives Brooklyn a pretty stacked top 3. To compete with that offer, we'd really need to decimate our team.
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Post#1506 » by sogood » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:47 pm

TheAlchemist wrote:I'm trading 3-4 first round draft picks (protected) with Lowry , Powell and Davis for James Harden and PJ Tucker.

Then re-signing FVV. Giannis dream is dead and I think this makes us the best team in the east, if we retain Fred.

Fred / ?
James Harden / Thomas
OG / PJ
Siakam / RHJ
Ibaka / ?

A couple of trades away from solidifying this team.


Lmao you can’t turn on trade override in real life, Houston would hang up laughing at this poo poo platter offer. Harden is an MVP caliber player in his prime. They’re not going to trade him for a declining 35 year old, 2 roleplayers (one that was just recently arrested for beating his girlfriend) and some late first rounders.
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Post#1507 » by billy_hoyle » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:56 pm

Idea is to overwhelm the Wizards:

To Phi:
Lowry

To Wizards:
Norm
Stanley
McCaw
Thybulle
Mike Scott
2 x 1sts from Tor
All the Lowry draft picks from Phi:
2 x 1st + 4 x 2nds

To Tor
Beal
Horford

Resign Ibaka

FVV, Davis
Beal, Thomas
OG, Watson
Siakam, Boucher
Horford, Ibaka
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Post#1508 » by TheAlchemist » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:01 pm

sogood wrote:
TheAlchemist wrote:I'm trading 3-4 first round draft picks (protected) with Lowry , Powell and Davis for James Harden and PJ Tucker.

Then re-signing FVV. Giannis dream is dead and I think this makes us the best team in the east, if we retain Fred.

Fred / ?
James Harden / Thomas
OG / PJ
Siakam / RHJ
Ibaka / ?

A couple of trades away from solidifying this team.


Lmao you can’t turn on trade override in real life,
Houston would hang up laughing at this poo poo platter offer. Harden is an MVP caliber player in his prime. They’re not going to trade him for a declining 35 year old, 2 roleplayers (one that was just recently arrested for beating his girlfriend) and some late first rounders.


Ughhhh yes you can...

Please..?

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Post#1509 » by Mattatron » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:43 pm

According to @IanBegley, teams monitoring Ibaka’s free agency believe he would have interest in a deal in the neighborhood of 3-Years/$12-15 Million.
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Post#1510 » by Red_Claw » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:45 pm

Klaw22 wrote:According to @IanBegley, teams monitoring Ibaka’s free agency believe he would have interest in a deal in the neighborhood of 3-Years/$12-15 Million.


If thats true, im totally fine with that contract over a 1 year, 25 million. Hopefully the contract is descending in salary over those years.
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Post#1511 » by LBJKB24MJ23 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:52 pm

Red_Claw wrote:
Klaw22 wrote:According to @IanBegley, teams monitoring Ibaka’s free agency believe he would have interest in a deal in the neighborhood of 3-Years/$12-15 Million.


If thats true, im totally fine with that contract over a 1 year, 25 million. Hopefully the contract is descending in salary over those years.


thats a steal for Ibaka imho. you get what you pay for. Ibaka becomes our starter but expect $12-15M production than the $20M "omg what kind of dumb play did you do there" Ibaka lmao.
raf1995 wrote:I just don’t think he has that kind of potential. I think we will regret not trading him for a haul in a few years when he’s a mid-tier starter with nice playmaking and defense and a shaky jumper.
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Post#1512 » by aminiaturebuddha » Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:10 pm

It looks like Rodney Hood is going to decline his option and become a free agent. I wonder what his market would be coming off of a bad injury for a year. He's a player that would really fit in well with Pascal and OG to give us another long, rangy guy to match up with teams like Boston. Hopefully Masai and Bobby are kicking the tires there to see what kind of deal he's looking for.
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Post#1513 » by douggood » Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:19 pm

Klaw22 wrote:According to @IanBegley, teams monitoring Ibaka’s free agency believe he would have interest in a deal in the neighborhood of 3-Years/$12-15 Million.

what team can give him that? only a couple teams like knicks, pistons, hawks etc. if he wants to avg more than $10 then Toronto is the only other option by signing here or working out a sign and trade.
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Post#1514 » by rrdjutriurt » Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:27 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:Got a strange feeling we're bout to trade for Gobert...
Gobert would be a great get if that were even possible because we could still compete by having the best defense in the conference.
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Post#1515 » by LBJKB24MJ23 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:32 pm

douggood wrote:
Klaw22 wrote:According to @IanBegley, teams monitoring Ibaka’s free agency believe he would have interest in a deal in the neighborhood of 3-Years/$12-15 Million.

what team can give him that? only a couple teams like knicks, pistons, hawks etc. if he wants to avg more than $10 then Toronto is the only other option by signing here or working out a sign and trade.


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raf1995 wrote:I just don’t think he has that kind of potential. I think we will regret not trading him for a haul in a few years when he’s a mid-tier starter with nice playmaking and defense and a shaky jumper.
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Post#1516 » by SurgeIblocka » Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:54 pm

douggood wrote:
Klaw22 wrote:According to @IanBegley, teams monitoring Ibaka’s free agency believe he would have interest in a deal in the neighborhood of 3-Years/$12-15 Million.

what team can give him that? only a couple teams like knicks, pistons, hawks etc. if he wants to avg more than $10 then Toronto is the only other option by signing here or working out a sign and trade.


Lakers can
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Post#1517 » by douggood » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:00 pm

SurgeIblocka wrote:
douggood wrote:
Klaw22 wrote:According to @IanBegley, teams monitoring Ibaka’s free agency believe he would have interest in a deal in the neighborhood of 3-Years/$12-15 Million.

what team can give him that? only a couple teams like knicks, pistons, hawks etc. if he wants to avg more than $10 then Toronto is the only other option by signing here or working out a sign and trade.


Lakers can

lakers cant give him more than $10 mil per year, and even then might not be able to because of hard cap, depending on how much they resign KCP for.


max MLE offer is

2020/21 $9,258,000
2021/22 $9,720,900
2022/23 $10,183,800
2023/24 $10,646,700
Total .... $39,809,400
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Post#1518 » by SurgeIblocka » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:12 pm

douggood wrote:
SurgeIblocka wrote:
douggood wrote:what team can give him that? only a couple teams like knicks, pistons, hawks etc. if he wants to avg more than $10 then Toronto is the only other option by signing here or working out a sign and trade.


Lakers can

lakers cant give him more than $10 mil per year, and even then might not be able to because of hard cap, depending on how much they resign KCP for.


max MLE offer is

2020/21 $9,258,000
2021/22 $9,720,900
2022/23 $10,183,800
2023/24 $10,646,700
Total .... $39,809,400


If they don’t re-sign kcp they have about 12 mil or more to give. Especially if all their bigs are not back, and Rondo is gone.

Even the schroeder trade was a wash salary wise.
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Post#1519 » by douggood » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:16 pm

SurgeIblocka wrote:
douggood wrote:
SurgeIblocka wrote:
Lakers can

lakers cant give him more than $10 mil per year, and even then might not be able to because of hard cap, depending on how much they resign KCP for.


max MLE offer is

2020/21 $9,258,000
2021/22 $9,720,900
2022/23 $10,183,800
2023/24 $10,646,700
Total .... $39,809,400


If they don’t re-sign kcp they have about 12 mil or more to give. Especially if all their bigs are not back, to Rondo is gone.

Even the schroeder trade was a wash salary wise.

they are over the cap, so KCP only affects how close they are to the hard cap.

they can only use the MLE, unless AD walks.

AD + Lebron + schroeder + deng strech + (kuzma/curaso/mcgee/fillers) they are already over cap.
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Post#1520 » by SurgeIblocka » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:38 pm

douggood wrote:
SurgeIblocka wrote:
douggood wrote:lakers cant give him more than $10 mil per year, and even then might not be able to because of hard cap, depending on how much they resign KCP for.


max MLE offer is

2020/21 $9,258,000
2021/22 $9,720,900
2022/23 $10,183,800
2023/24 $10,646,700
Total .... $39,809,400


If they don’t re-sign kcp they have about 12 mil or more to give. Especially if all their bigs are not back, to Rondo is gone.

Even the schroeder trade was a wash salary wise.

they are over the cap, so KCP only affects how close they are to the hard cap.

they can only use the MLE, unless AD walks.

AD + Lebron + schroeder + deng strech + (kuzma/curaso/mcgee/fillers) they are already over cap.


They got 5 Mil from Deng exception

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